vontae davis

[runthepost]

He got worked by a 3rd draft pick... thoughts?

[James]

Keenan Allen is a first round talent. 

[Gavin]

No he didn't...Greg Toler did

[jameszeigler834]

Davis was good but Toler not they signed him why?.

[Everyone]

allen is a 1st round talent, dropped because of injury concerns

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

No he didn't...Greg Toler did

Davis and Howell got beat by him on the td. More on Howeel though, but still

[austriancolt]

They obviously picked on Toler and that's what you get from a guy like Toler he is a lights on lights off type of player. He is having great games making plays and then he has those games like today...

[Nobody]

Davis was good but Toler not they signed him why?.

Yep one bad game means he shouldn't have been signed. Thanks man.

[coltsfanatic24]

Davis played well, Toler was the one that was getting beat. This is why i said we need to go CB early in draft, Toler is a slot CB forced to be played on the outside. Now he'll have to cover Thomas and Decker not looking forward to it.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

I tried to tell everybody that Keenan Allen was a special talent and no one would listen.

[cm43sports]

Davis played well, Toler was the one that was getting beat. This is why i said we need to go CB early in draft, Toler is a slot CB forced to be played on the outside. Now he'll have to cover Thomas and Decker not looking forward to it.

What do you think of Bradley Roby? He is best in press coverage and has Davis' size and build.

[coltsfanatic24]

What do you think of Bradley Roby? He is best in press coverage and has Davis' size and build.

Bradley Roby is the best CB in the draft, after he runs 4.3 at combine and show his athleticism he'll be a top 15 pick. Kyle Fuller and Justin Gilbert  are possibilities in the 2nd round.

[cm43sports]

Athletically Purifoy and Ifo could prove superior. Roby has been having a rough season and ask Amerson how one bad year works for a corner. In terms of a football player and a prospect what do you consider pros and what are cons?

[dw49]

Davis and Howell got beat by him on the td. More on Howeel though, but still

 

 

What did Davis do wrong in that coverage , I'm all ears. He had outside help with Howell there and he covered accordingly. So but still what ?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

What did Davis do wrong in that coverage , I'm all ears. He had outside help with Howell there and he covered accordingly. So but still what ?

I can't talk to you over the interwebs so I'd appreciate it if you'd give me your eyes instead. Davis should have kept his assignment on him and broken up the pass. Davis and howell were double covering him and they both failed to make a play. Elite corners shouldn't give that up even with safety help.

[Gavin]

I can't talk to you over the interwebs so I'd appreciate it if you'd give me your eyes instead. Davis should have kept his assignment on him and broken up the pass. Davis and howell were double covering him and they both failed to make a play. Elite corners shouldn't give that up even with safety help.

elite Corners do give up Safety help because thats how the play is drawn up

[DoomOf21]

The corners were passable. Overall it was the middle of the field that hurt us time and again. They would find a good match up against one of our linebackers and exploit it.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

elite Corners do give up Safety help because thats how the play is drawn up

That was What a ~30 yard play? The corner definitely was supposed to stick with him. Safety help or No, he was beat on the play.

[Malakai432]

Davis played well, Toler was the one that was getting beat. This is why i said we need to go CB early in draft, Toler is a slot CB forced to be played on the outside. Now he'll have to cover Thomas and Decker not looking forward to it.

I have to agree with this. They weren't picking on Davis, they were picking on Toler and to make matters worse he absolutely made some home headed penalties.

[GoDeep]

I tried to tell everybody that Keenan Allen was a special talent and no one would listen.

 

I listened, he won me a fantasy matchup!  Woot!

[OffensivelyPC]

Davis and Howell got beat by him on the td. More on Howeel though, but still

Davis and Howell got beat?  See this is why I can't take some of these threads seriously.  If you watched the play, not only did Howell completely whiff on coverage, he completely took Davis out of the play too.  Davis was perfectly fine on coverage until Howell botched the play.

[bayone]

Keenan Allen is a first round talent. 

 

with ought a doubt the steel of the draft

[imacoltfan]

Davis and Howell got beat?  See this is why I can't take some of these threads seriously.  If you watched the play, not only did Howell completely whiff on coverage, he completely took Davis out of the play too.  Davis was perfectly fine on coverage until Howell botched the play.

Agree 100%. Howell took the wrong angle. That should have been picked off.

[OffensivelyPC]

Agree 100%. Howell took the wrong angle. That should have been picked off.

If either Howell played the receiver the way he should have or at least got out of the way, it would have been I think.  Unfortunately, close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.  Not that I like saying it, but Allen did make a heck of a catch.

[Le Neon]

Vontae Davis has been pretty incredible this year.  He's one of the primary reasons why our defense (usually) works.  

[Valpo2004]

I tried to tell everybody that Keenan Allen was a special talent and no one would listen.

 

I wanted Keenan Allen too.  

[pgt_rob]

Greg Toler was getting played all night long and there was nothing he could do about it. The receivers would catch the ball right around him as if he wasn't even there.

[lollygagger8]

If Crybaby Rivers can exploit Toler like that.......I'll probably be in tears after Peyton abuses him. 

[Coffeedrinker]

That was What a ~30 yard play? The corner definitely was supposed to stick with him. Safety help or No, he was beat on the play.

Not if he was supposed to have safety help over the top.  In that situation the CB is supposed to play a yard behind the receiver.  Then if the safety is in position the receiver cannot break the route off and come inside, the safety is supposed to maintain his space this keeps the receiver on the sideline and either forces the QB to throw to the middle of the field where there is the other safety and LBers playing zone or forces the QB to put some more air under the ball, throwing it in a tight spot on the sideline.  Since the CB is playing behind the receiver it then forces the QB to put more air under the ball which then gives the safety time to run back and make a play on the ball.  Howell came up too early on the inside receiver which gave Allen time to break inside thus invalidating the CB position and then Howell made another mistake by running to the sideline rather than running back to his original position.  The result is a seemingly easy TD.

 

I will also say, I know the announcers talked about Toler getting picked on and they threw to his guy a lot.  But many of those times he was in position and had good coverage the receiver just made a nice play and Rivers placement of the ball was near perfect most of the night.  Sometimes there are games like that.

[jvan1973]

That was What a ~30 yard play? The corner definitely was supposed to stick with him. Safety help or No, he was beat on the play.

thanks coach

[jameszeigler834]

Yep one bad game means he shouldn't have been signed. thanks man.

that isn't the first terrible game he has had the Miami game he got beat a lot too.

[dw49]

thanks coach

 

 

I believe he finally gave up on that one.

[Dark Superman]

Toler is not molded to be an outside corner.

He's a slot guy.

Why doesn't Grigson and Manusky understand this?

[Coffeedrinker]

Toler is not molded to be an outside corner.

He's a slot guy.

Why doesn't Grigson and Manusky understand this?

What does that mean?

[Dark Superman]

What does that mean?

It means he's built as a nickel corner.

He should be covering the #3 WR not the #2

[Broncosfan]

I'll give an unbiased opinion on Vonte. He's a stud, plain and simple. He can hold his own with most receivers in this league. I'm guessing that the Colts will play him on Demaryius Thomas most of the night on Sunday. That will be a good test for him.

[Coffeedrinker]

It means he's built as a nickel corner.

He should be covering the #3 WR not the #2

Okay, you substituted the word "built" for "molded" And defined the slot.  But you are still saying the same thing... what does that mean?  What skills does he have or not have that make him better against a slot receiver than an outside receiver?  Why do you think he would do well as one and not the other.

And it can't be size because at 6' 190lbs he is both taller and heavier than the NFL average for CBs. (which is 5'10", 182lbs)

[OffensivelyPC]

It means he's built as a nickel corner.

He should be covering the #3 WR not the #2

Even assuming you are correct (which other than yesterday, he's been fairly solid guarding the #2), who would you propose to cover Decker?  Vaughn?  Butler?  They woudln't do any better than Toler. 

[MFT5]

I'll give an unbiased opinion on Vonte. He's a stud, plain and simple. He can hold his own with most receivers in this league. I'm guessing that the Colts will play him on Demaryius Thomas most of the night on Sunday. That will be a good test for him.

The only way they will be matched up is if DT is on the left side of the formation smh

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

thanks coach

You're welcome annoyingly sarcastic fan.