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I can see that very clearly. Dungy was a strong willed HC but not in the sense of control. Manning was given pretty much a full range of his own offensive knowledge just like he has in Denver. I can't think of any other QB that has that type of control. Hopefully over time Luck will possess that type of mentality. 

Yeah, I will concede that Dungy wasn't a control freak & Peyton was a perfectionist by nature. Luck more or less ran the entire playbook at Stanford eventually & with Pep Hamilton now in INDY...As long as HC Pagano feels comfortable with the ball movement on offense, I could see the same laid back/perfectionist HC/QB relationship again CC1.

 

Kind of like Tom Moore & 18 working their magic again with new faces. The names change of course, but the results remain the same in INDY right?  ;)

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Wanting national love is really like saying you want to be the popular kid in school and that is a dead end road.

It's the Beach Boys fault for wishing they all could be California girls when the mid west farmers girl was making them feel alright. That should have been good enough.

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Wanting national love is really like saying you want to be the popular kid in school and that is a dead end road.

It's the Beach Boys fault for wishing they all could be California girls when the mid west farmers girl was making them feel alright. That should have been good enough.

Good "California Girls" analogy there LockeDown! But what rendition do you like better? The Beach Boys or David Lee Roth's version of the same song? LOL! Just Kidding! 

 

I like both versions, but I saw DLR do this number LIVE on stage in 1991 with attractive backup singers wearing next to nothing & I can't picture the Beach Boys doing that so Diamond Dave wins by a landslide in this head to head competition. Just my 2 cents.  haha

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Last season the Colts were a good team because Chuck was sick and the team rallied around him and played over their head. We all remember that, right? Well no team can go through all that emotional stuff and not have a slump. Right? At the start of this season when the schedule came out all the so called experts said the Colts would be no better than 3-2 with losses to the 49ers and the Seahawks. We did burp in the Miami game just to find out they are a lot better than the so called experts thought they were. There are a few so called experts that have finally taking a closer look at the Colts. On my own personal level I couldn't care less what the so called experts say or think. There are a few right in here in this Colts forum that are more observant that the so called experts. No one including me can see into the future and say exactly how this will all play out but I have a feeling this team will get their just due attention before it's all said and done. 

 

Who are these "so called experts?"

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Deon sanders still hates us to. On nfl am they asked him were we the second best team in afc next to denver and he said no but wouldn't say who was number 2.

As comedian Rodney Dangerfield would say, Deion gives us "no respect." That's okay. I'm not the leader of his fan club either. Well, we can agree on 1 thing: Mutual disrespect. It's like your best friend. You know who has your back & who doesn't: enough said. 

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Who are these "so called experts?"

Are you really serious?  NFL network, ESPN, CBS sports, and Sporting News are the ones I had in mind with my comment. I will not break down every single analysts on those shows or websites for you. 

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As comedian Rodney Dangerfield would say, Deion gives us "no respect." That's okay. I'm not the leader of his fan club either. Well, we can agree on 1 thing: Mutual disrespect. It's like your best friend. You know who has your back & who doesn't: enough said. 

 Maybe Deon is still butthurt at the Colts and has been since Hunter Smith not only caught him but body slammed him hard enough to make him lose his lunch? All after saying that no punter could tackle him once he makes eye contact with him.   :dunno:  haha

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Are you really serious?  NFL network, ESPN, CBS sports, and Sporting News are the ones I had in mind with my comment. I will not break down every single analysts on those shows or websites for you. 

 

I was just humored by how many times you said "so called experts."  I just wanted to say it one more time. 

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 Maybe Deon is still butthurt at the Colts and has been since Hunter Smith not only caught him but body slammed him hard enough to make him lose his lunch? All after saying that no punter could tackle him once he makes eye contact with him.   :dunno:  haha

What irritates me about Deion Sanders is that he always loves to talk about playing through injuries & when he had foot injuries late in his NFL career that sidelined him those incidents never seem to get mentioned. Hmmm...

 

I do respect his 2 SB rings & 1 World Series Championship with the Atlanta Braves though. He still loves to hear himself speak though. Worst NFL HOF speech I have ever heard. God, it was just awful. 

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What irritates me about Deion Sanders is that he always loves to talk about playing through injuries & when he had foot injuries late in his NFL career that sidelined him those incidents never seem to get mentioned. Hmmm...

 

I do respect his 2 SB rings & 1 World Series Championship with the Atlanta Braves though. He still loves to hear himself speak though. Worst NFL HOF speech I have ever heard. God, it was just awful. 

He was a great cover guy but never had the mental or physical attributes to make a tackle. I agree about the HOF speech for sure. When you bring up his baseball times I just can't get the picture out of my mind of the home run that bounced off his noggin. If my memory is correct I think he played for the Reds when that happened. 

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As comedian Rodney Dangerfield would say, Deion gives us "no respect." That's okay. I'm not the leader of his fan club either. Well, we can agree on 1 thing: Mutual disrespect. It's like your best friend. You know who has your back & who doesn't: enough said. 

Let's not forget Sanders describing us as an ugly woman with too much make-up early in 2006, the year of our SB championship. 

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Let's not forget Sanders describing us as an ugly woman with too much make-up early in 2006, the year of our SB championship. 

Yeah ruksak, I remember those remarks quite well. Then, when we win the SB in 2006, he acted like he had been in our corner since day 1 of that season...Kiss my caboose Deion! I would have said that right to his face on the air too. He slams us all year long & then showers us with praise when we win? Ah no, not on my watch man. Instead of handing out "Must Be The Money" tapes, can we hand "Mr. Primetime" a "Dude Looks Like A Lady" Aerosmith remake CD? 

 

I can't stop watching your Patrick Sponge Bob starfish belly shake avatar ruksak. It's like a toddler's mobile. I can't take my eyes off of it. Ha! Ha! 

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Let's not forget Sanders describing us as an ugly woman with too much make-up early in 2006, the year of our SB championship. 

 

Don't know how I missed that comment.  Pretty sexist

Wonder what the male equivalent would be

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Don't know how I missed that comment.  Pretty sexist

Wonder what the male equivalent would be

To put it in it's proper context; Deion was trying to describe our team as all finesse, saying we were "fake" and "made up" with a few shiny parts. Something to the effect of people thinking we're so pretty, but at the end of the night, when the make up comes off, we aren't so pretty anymore. 

 

i.e. A great regular season team that looks ugly in the playoffs. Some truth there, I suppose. Still, his comments seemed pretty far off considering the playoff run we had proceeding his description. 

 

As far as the male equivalent. Hair loss, impotence and physical weakness would be a few examples. Men are judged in our society by our strength and virility. Once either trait is seen as lacking, there's an underlying current that judges such a man as .....well less than a man. 

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We are a smaller market team... and our QB doesn't wear festive socks.. We are young, so ESPN hasn't found the best way to market us yet... As soon as another AFC South team gets a decent QB to rival Andrew (preferably for ESPN, one that has a hot shot attitude) we will get some media love... Our story from last season should have made us media darlings, but hey.... who cares?

We might not have a rival in the AFC South, but if Luck vs. Tannehill becomes a perennial game, we could get some more attention at least during these matchups. 

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Last season the Colts were a good team because Chuck was sick and the team rallied around him and played over their head. We all remember that, right? Well no team can go through all that emotional stuff and not have a slump. Right? At the start of this season when the schedule came out all the so called experts said the Colts would be no better than 3-2 with losses to the 49ers and the Seahawks. We did burp in the Miami game just to find out they are a lot better than the so called experts thought they were. There are a few so called experts that have finally taking a closer look at the Colts. On my own personal level I couldn't care less what the so called experts say or think. There are a few right in here in this Colts forum that are more observant that the so called experts. No one including me can see into the future and say exactly how this will all play out but I have a feeling this team will get their just due attention before it's all said and done. 

Don't forget these so called experts said the NFC West was the best division in the NFL.  I'm not saying that ours is the best, because it's not, but two more wins, one in Indy and the other on the road, and we own that division.  Just saying.

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Small market team. . . But look guys that's ok. . . 

 

See this is what's great about the NFL, it doesn't matter what people think of us, the only thing that matters is our record at the end of the year.  

 

Sure it's nice to hear good things about our team, but just remember this isn't college football.  The media constantly under-rating our team doesn't affect our chances at the playoffs or a SB.  All that matters is the record at the end of the regular season.  

 

College football the media can literally * out of a national championship shot.  That isn't true here.  

 

The worst thing they can do is screw some players out of pro-bowls or awards.  (cough Andrew Luck Rookie of the Year award cough.)  Luck didn't do enough commercials to be the rookie of the year, he was too busy WINNING.  

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To put it in it's proper context; Deion was trying to describe our team as all finesse, saying we were "fake" and "made up" with a few shiny parts. Something to the effect of people thinking we're so pretty, but at the end of the night, when the make up comes off, we aren't so pretty anymore. 

 

i.e. A great regular season team that looks ugly in the playoffs. Some truth there, I suppose. Still, his comments seemed pretty far off considering the playoff run we had proceeding his description. 

 

As far as the male equivalent. Hair loss, impotence and physical weakness would be a few examples. Men are judged in our society by our strength and virility. Once either trait is seen as lacking, there's an underlying current that judges such a man as .....well less than a man. 

 

Yeah I'd like to see the sponsor AND male fan fallout with an analogy based on the bolded

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It's us against the world and I like it that way.  I've said it time after time - Irsay has learned from the past and will not make the same mistakes during the Luck era.  Grigson and Pagano are the right guys to make sure history doesn't repeat itself.  Assuming Luck stays healthy, when Luck's career is over, he won't match Peyton in the passing stats department, but Luck WILL retire with a much better playoff record AND he will retire with more SB rings than Manning.  Luck may even be in a position to match Peyton's number of regular season wins.

 

I love Peyton and want him to get another ring, but not at our expense.  If Peyton plays 4 more years and faces Indy in the playoffs every year, then he can retire with only one ring for all I care.  I'm a Colts fan first and I'm thrilled how this team has come together and the GM and coaches have changed the organization's mindset of how to win.  If you want to be in a position to win multiple SB titles during a generation, you must have a complete team.  Peyton would have multiple rings if this was the Colts mindset 10+ years ago.

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Maybe Deon is still butthurt at the Colts and has been since Hunter Smith not only caught him but body slammed him hard enough to make him lose his lunch? All after saying that no punter could tackle him once he makes eye contact with him. :dunno:haha

I was not aware of this, nor of the fact that Deion seems to hate us. I must see footage of this body slam.

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The only reason I want the team to get attention from media, is so I have something to read about the Colts. But I also like being the less talked about team in relation to the teams abilities.

 

Disrespect or lack of respect?  I think the Colts have had a significant portion of league respect and attention since 1999. Only the Patriots, Steelers, Cowboys, Saints and Packers had had as much or more attention over that span. (I'm sure I'm forgetting someone)

 

I agree with all of this. I'm fine with being over-looked by such bastions of society as the National media.

 

One of the more entertaining threads of the summer was the Colts day 1 of TC. All the complaints were about how ESPN & NFLN was showing a handful of teams practices ALL DAY, and nary a mention of the Colts. It was DAY ONE. It wasn't even a full blown practice, just a walk through day. Nothing to report unless someone were to fall off the scale and go to IR.

 

Pre www it was extremely difficult to follow an out of town team. Now, there's much more information available.

Just waiting for ColtsNetwork, and I'll be set.    :)

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That nobody likes...

 

1. We make the Super Bowl...still no bandwagon fans...

2. Had arguably the best quarterback of all time for 13 years, Tom Brady has and always will be better.

3. Beat the 49ers this year, (checks power rankings) and the 49ers are still better because they didn't show up that game...

4. Andrew Luck has an incredible 11-5 season as a rookie...oh, its just because we had an easy schedule...

5. Beats an undefeated 2nd best team in the NFL. (*Anchorman*) Check out the game of the week Broncos vs. Cowboys!!!!!

 

What happens after? Peyton Manning goes to the Broncos and now Peyton is the best quarterback of all time! Something about us that everyone hates...what is it?

 

Not complaining...just a food for thought

 

When I see a post/thread from you I can count on it being unusual, off target, & woe are the Colts themed.  Thanks for not disappointing.

 

1. Don't have a clue what you mean.

2. Those that think Brady is better have a point.  Those that think Manning is better have a point.  It is an endless argument with do definitive outcome so who freaking cares.

3. Nothng I have see suggest that anyone thinks the 49ers are better.  Most analysts that I have seen point to the absolute beat down the Colts gave them as evidence of a change going on in Indy.  But if they do think that, who cares?  It means nothing.

4. Nobody - nobody said the only reason the Colts went 11-5 last year was due to an easy schedule.

5. For goodness sakes - Dallas & Denver put up 99 freaking points, are both marquee teams and had the game end on the last play.  OF COURSE that is the game of the week. 

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I don't think people hate us any more than the usual weekly "fan blames" for losing to us. we actually have a lot of Hollywood that stands by the Colts. we are respected on all the Sports shows. and Andrew Luck is heralded by anyone who doesn't have a bias of hope for their fan favorite to be a stellar quarterback for the next 10 years. you wanna talk about a hated team then you should talk about the Patriots. no one likes them but new England (meaning the surrounding area). Tom Brady is always the butt of every joke. and the coach is the best player on the team. sheeeesh. that would suck to be that good and that disrespected at the same time. its all the crying faces that tom brady comes up with. and the fact that after he reached 50 touchdowns, only one better than Manning, it just wasn't important to keep going for more. for brady, I wasn't about the record, it was about being better than peyton. .....and still.....no one likes him. lmao.i hope peyton buries that record is year!!

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There are other teams that get less national attention than the Colts. Tennessee, St. Louis, & Arizona are three that come to mind easily, I mention those three teams because last year Arizona went 4-0 & I still heard little about them, St. Louis beat the Niners twice & I heard little about them, & Tennessee was looking alright the first few weeks of the season, so I would argue that the Colts get a decent amount of national coverage...

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I can't stop watching your Patrick Sponge Bob starfish belly shake avatar ruksak. It's like a toddler's mobile. I can't take my eyes off of it. Ha! Ha! 

Spongebob is one of my guilty pleasures. Patrick Star is one of American televisions most endearing sympathetic characters. 

 

See how I can make so much out of something so silly? Aren't I a wildcard, aye? 

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 Maybe Deon is still butthurt at the Colts and has been since Hunter Smith not only caught him but body slammed him hard enough to make him lose his lunch? All after saying that no punter could tackle him once he makes eye contact with him.   :dunno:  haha

 

Well, that or he won't acknowledge us until we pick up someone who's graduated from his dance school.

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That nobody likes...

 

1. We make the Super Bowl...still no bandwagon fans...

2. Had arguably the best quarterback of all time for 13 years, Tom Brady has and always will be better.

3. Beat the 49ers this year, (checks power rankings) and the 49ers are still better because they didn't show up that game...

4. Andrew Luck has an incredible 11-5 season as a rookie...oh, its just because we had an easy schedule...

5. Beats an undefeated 2nd best team in the NFL. (*Anchorman*) Check out the game of the week Broncos vs. Cowboys!!!!!

 

What happens after? Peyton Manning goes to the Broncos and now Peyton is the best quarterback of all time! Something about us that everyone hates...what is it?

 

Not complaining...just a food for thought

On the other hand it seems some of those talking heads are now high on the Colts now Manning is gone. Did anyone like us when we had Manning?

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That.  Was.  Awesome.  

 

Either he didn't know the punter took him out or he was trying to play it off.

The camera cut off about 3 seconds before Deon barfed. I was at that game and seen it. It was hilarious. The video really didn't show how hard Hunter landed on him. Colts won that game 34-24 and went 13-3 that season. 

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There are other teams that get less national attention than the Colts. Tennessee, St. Louis, & Arizona are three that come to mind easily, I mention those three teams because last year Arizona went 4-0 & I still heard little about them, St. Louis beat the Niners twice & I heard little about them, & Tennessee was looking alright the first few weeks of the season, so I would argue that the Colts get a decent amount of national coverage...

The Colts and Luck got about a 1/4th the attention that RG3 and the Redskins got last reason. So much so that RG3 got the ROY without finishing the season. Most of the attention the Colts got was the amounts of picks Luck was throwing and completely not seeing the bigger picture. 

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We are a smaller market team... and our QB doesn't wear festive socks.. We are young, so ESPN hasn't found the best way to market us yet... As soon as another AFC South team gets a decent QB to rival Andrew (preferably for ESPN, one that has a hot shot attitude) we will get some media love... Our story from last season should have made us media darlings, but hey.... who cares?

 

We are #10 in the the

 

I saw Skip Bayless pontificate about this endlessly today. He doesn't seem to grasp our salary cap limitations or what they would have had Manning remained INDY's roster. Superman has a firm grasp of this reality. He also doesn't seem to comprehend Luck IQ & health longterm for the next 10-15 years either. I usually defend Skip, but he makes my blood boil the way he disrespects Andrew Luck. Grr! 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8nPurbeZTk

 

Ive never been so irritated in my life by someone so ignorant...

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Luck WILL retire with a much better playoff record AND he will retire with more SB rings than Manning.  Luck may even be in a position to match Peyton's number of regular season wins.

 

 

 

That's all that matters to me. Peyton's mind boggling stats were nice, but in the end, I want RINGS.

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Why do they talk about Tebow?  I mean, I know they talk about him now because he's a trainwreck, but I never understood why he was a big deal.  

It's because he was a heisman trophy winning quarterback in college and was fun to watch.He was highly criticized in the NFL for not being a very good, consistent quarterback. He got extra attention for being really good in the clutch and being really religious.

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Williams             Auburn WR         6'2"        224 98.   Tutu Atwell Louisville              WRS       5'9"        156 99.   Baron Browning        Ohio State           ILB          6'3"        248 100.           Ronnie Perkins  Oklahoma           OLB        6'4'         230 101.           Dazz Newsome North Carolina   WR         5'11"      175 102.           Paulson Adebo  Stanford              CB           6'1"        190 103.           Richard LeCounte III        Georgia S              5'11"      190 104.           Damonte Coxie Memphis             WR         6'3''        197 105.           Aaron Robinson UCF        CB           5'11''      193 106.           Jaret Patterson Buffalo RB           5'9"        195 107.           Drake Jackson    Kentucky             OC          6'2''        292 108.           Sage Surratt        Wake Forest       WR         6'2"        215 109.           Dayo Odeyingbo              Vanderbilt           DL5T      6'5''        279 110.           Israel Mukuamu               South Carolina   CB           6'3"        205 111.           Hunter Long       Boston College  TE           6'5"        253 112.           Kenny Yeboah   Ole Miss               TE           6'4''        240 113.           Marlon Tuipulotu             USC        DL3T      6'1"        308 114.           Divine Deablo    Virginia Tech      S              6'3''        226 115.           Khalil Herbert    Virginia Tech      RBC        5'9"        205 116.           Rashad Weaver Pitt         EDGE     6'5"        270 117.           Eric Stokes          Georgia CB           6'1"        185 118.           Ar'Darius Washington    TCU        S              5'8"        175 119.           Aaron Banks       Notre Dame       OG         6'5"        330 120.           Pete Werner      Ohio State           ILB          6'3''        239 121.           Chris Rumph II   Duke     EDGE     6'3"        225 122.           Tony Poljan        Virginia TE           6'7"        265 123.           Trey Hill                Georgia OC          6'4"        330 124.           Cary Angeline    North Carolina State       TE           6'7"        250 125.           Ihmir Smith-Marsette    Iowa      WR         6'2"        175 126.           Kylin Hill               Mississippi State               RB           5'11"      215 127.           Charles Snowden             Virginia OLB        6'6"        232 128.           Caden Sterns     Texas    S              6'0"        210 129.           Rodarius Williams             Oklahoma State CB           6'0"        193 130.           Quinn Meinerz  UW-Whitewater              OC          6'3"        320 131.           Keith Taylor        Washington        CB           6'3"        191 132.           Elijah Mitchell    Louisiana             RB           5'11"      221 133.           Tedarrell Slaton Florida  DL1T      6'5"        358 134.           Pooka Williams  Kansas  RBC        5'10"      170 135.           Olaijah Griffin    USC        CB           6'0''        170 136.           Torrance Marable            Coastal Carolina                RBC        5'10"      200 137.           Damon Hazelton              Missouri               WR         6'2"        215 138.           Tariq Thompson               San Diego State S              6'0"        200 139.           Ta'Quon Graham              Texas    DL3T      6'4"        294 140.           K.J. Britt                Auburn ILB          6'0"        236 141.           Monty Rice         Georgia OLB        6'1"        235 142.           Kylen Granson   SMU      TE           6'2''        235 143.           Kellen Mond      Texas A&M         QB          6'3"        217 144.           Paddy Fisher      Northwestern   ILB          6'4"        246 145.           Amari Rodgers  Clemson              WR         5'9"        210 146.           Jamien Sherwood            Auburn S              6'2''        220 147.           Max Duffy           Kentucky             P             6'1"        185 148.           Spencer K. Brown             Northern Iowa  OT          6'9''        321 149.           Nico Collins         Michigan              WR         6'4"        222 150.           Tommy Togiai    Ohio State           DL3T      6'2"        300 151.           JaCoby Stevens LSU        S              6'1''        228 152.           Jordan Smith      UAB       EDGE     6'7"        255 153.           Tyler Vaughns   USC        WR         6'2"        190 154.           Jack Anderson   Texas Tech          OG         6'5"        315 155.           Bobby Brown III Texas A&M         DL1T      6'3"        325 156.           Darren Hall          San Diego State CB           6'0"        190 157.           Donovan Stiner Florida  S              6'1"        203 158.           Wyatt Hubert    Kansas State       EDGE     6'3"        270 159.           Thomas Graham Jr.         Oregon CB           5'10"      193 160.           Shemar Jean-Charles      Appalachian State            CB           5'11"      190 161.           Malik Herring     Georgia DL5T      6'3"        283 162.           Daelin Hayes      Notre Dame       EDGE     6'4"        268 163.           Tommy Kraemer              Notre Dame       OG         6'6"        317 164.           Marco Wilson    Florida  CB           6'0"        190 165.           Trill Williams       Syracuse              CB           6'2'         198 166.           Shaka Toney       Penn State          EDGE     6'3"        243 167.           Jimmy Morrissey              Pitt         OC          6'3"        305 168.           Sam Ehlinger      Texas    QB          6'3"        225 169.           Sadarius Hutcherson      South Carolina   OG         6'4"        320 170.           D.J. Daniel           Georgia CB           6'0''        183 171.           Camryn Bynum Cal          CB           6'0''        198 172.           Jermar Jefferson              Oregon State     RBC        5'9"        215 173.           Jose Borregales Miami (FL)           PK           5'10"      205 174.           Alaric Jackson    Iowa      OT          6'6"        315 175.           Brennan Eagles Texas    WR         6'2"        225 176.           Tommy Doyle    Miami (OH)         OT          6'8''        326 177.           Jonathan Marshall           Arkansas              DL1T      6'3"        317 178.           Shane Buechele SMU      QB          6'1"        207 179.           Joshua Kaindoh Florida State       EDGE     6'7"        261 180.           James Hudson   Cincinnati            OT          6'5"        310 181.           Benjamin St-Juste            Minnesota          CB           6'3"        200 182.           Demetric Felton                UCLA     RBC        5'9"        189 183.           Victor Dimukeje Duke     EDGE     6'2"        265 184.           Xavier Kelly         Arkansas              DL3T      6'4"        305 185.           Kary Vincent Jr. LSU        CB           5'10"      182 186.           Noah Gray           Duke     TE           6'4"        240 187.           Adrian Ealy          Oklahoma           OT          6'6"        327 188.           Michal Menet   Penn State          OC          6'4''        305 189.           Pressley Harvin III            Georgia Tech      P             6'0"        255 190.           Amen Ogbongbemiga    Oklahoma State OLB        6'1"        231 191.           T.J. Vasher          Texas Tech          WR         6'6"        210 192.           Josh Imatorbhebhe         Illinois   WR         6'2"        215 193.           Matt Bushman  BYU        TE           6'5"        245 194.           Stevie Scott        Indiana RB           6'2"        231 195.           Brady Christensen           BYU        OT          6'6''        300 196.           Quintin Morris   Bowling Green  TE           6'4"        248 197.           Riley Patterson Memphis             PK           6'0"        190 198.           Malcolm Koonce              Buffalo EDGE     6'3"        250 199.           Robert Rochell   Central Arkansas              CB           6'0''        195 200.           Ben Mason         Michigan              FB           6'3"        254
    • Bender honey we love you SHUT UP BABY I KNOW IT
    • Trade 1: Miami offer picks No.3, No.18, No.50 and Tua Tagavailova to Texans for DeShaun Watson   Trade 2: WFT offers pick No.19 to NYJ for pick No.34 and Sam Darnold   Trade 3: Carolina offers pick No.8 and pick No.104 to Houston for Tua, pick No.18,  and pick No.113   Trade 4: Indianapolis Colts offer pick No.21 (1st) and pick No.118 (4th) to Las Vegas Raiders for Derek Carr   Trade 5: Tennessee Titans offer Pick No.22, Pick No.53 and Pick No.86 to Denver Broncos for Pick No.9   Trade 6: Las Vegas Raiders offer Pick No.21 and Pick No.145 for Carson Wentz and Pick No.37   Trade 7: Carolina Panthers offer Pick No.113 to Eagles for Zach Ertz   Trade 8: New England Patriots trade Patrick Surtain and a 4th rounder to the Los Angeles Chargers for Jaylen Waddle   Trade 9: Los Angeles Chargers trade Patrick Surtain to Carolina Panthers for pick No.18 and No.73   Trade 10: Cleveland Browns trade Jarvis Landry and Pick No.123 to Chicago Bears for their 3rd round pick No.84   Trade 11: Pittsburgh Steelers trade Pick No.55 (2nd), Pick No.88 (3rd) and Pick No.192 (6th) to Bucs for pick No.32   Trade 12: Houston Texans trade pick No.50, No.100 and No.104 to New Orleans Saints for Marshon Lattimore   Round 1   1.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson 2.  NY Jets (2-14) - Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State 3.  Houston from Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Zach Wilson, QB, BYU 4.  Atlanta (4-12) - Penei Sowell, OT, Oregon 5.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - JaMarr Chase, WR, LSU 6.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State 7.  Detroit (5-11) - Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State 8.  Houston from Carolina (5-11) - DaVonta Smith, WR, Alabama 9.  Titans from Denver (5-11) - Kwity Paye, DE, Michigan 10.  Dallas (6-10) - Rashawn Slater, OT, Northwestern 11.  NY Giants (6-10) - Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida 12.  San Francisco (6-10) - Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech 13.  New England from LA Chargers (7-9) - Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama 14.  Minnesota (7-9) - Gregory Rousseau, DE, Miami 15.  Carolina from LA Chargers from New England (7-9) - Patrick Surtain, CB, Alabama 16.  Arizona (8-8) - Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina 17.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Jaelen Philips, EDGE, Miami 18.  Chargers from Carolina from Houston from Miami (10-6) - Rondale Moore, WR, Purdue 19.  NY Jets From WFT* (7-9) - Najee Harris RB Alabama 20.  Chicago* (8-8) - Alijah Vera-Tucker OT USC 21.  Philadelphia from Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) - Rashod Bateman, WR, Minnesota 22.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech 23.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Zaven Collins, OLB/DE, Tulsa 24.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Jalen Mayfield, OT, Michigan 25.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trevon Moehring, S, TCU 26.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame 27.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida 28.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh 29.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Terrance Marshall, WR, LSU 30.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Teven Jenkins, OT, Oklahoma State 31.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Wyatt Davis, OG/C, Ohio State 32.  Pittsburgh from Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Mac Jones, QB, Alabama   Houston -> Miami: For Laremy Tunsil Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Carolina -> Houston: For Tua LA Rams -> Jacksonville: For Jalen Ramsey Seattle -> NY Jets: For Jamal Adams WFT -> NY Jets For Sam Darnold Indianapolis -> Las Vegas For Derek Carr Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Las Vegas -> Philadelphia for Carson Wentz New England -> Chargers for Jaylen Waddle Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 2   33.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Sam Cosmi, OT, Texas 34.  WFT From NY Jets (2-14) - Alex Leatherwood, OT, Alabama 35.  Atlanta (4-12) - Creed Humphrey, OG, Oklahoma 36.  Miami - from Houston (4-12) - Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson 37.  Las Vegas From Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Asante Samuel Jr., CB, Florida State 38.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Christian Barmore, DL, Alabama 39.  Carolina (5-11) - Liam Eichenberg, OT, Notre Dame 40.  Denver (5-11) - Jayson Oweh, DE, Penn State 41.  Detroit (5-11) - Elijah Moore, WR, Ole Miss 42.  NY Giants (6-10) - Tamorrion Terry, WR, Florida State 43.  San Francisco (6-10) - Jevon Holland, S, Oregon 44.  Dallas (6-10) - Jay Tufele, DT, USC 45.  Jacksonville - from Minnesota (7-9) - Jackson Carmon, OT, Clemson 46.  New England (7-9) - Joseph Ossai, EDGE/OLB, Texas 47.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Dillon Radunz, OT, North Dakota State 48.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Nick Bolton, LB, Missouri 49.  Arizona (8-8) - Walker Little, OT, Stanford 50.  New Orleans From Houston from Miami (10-6) - Dylan Moses, LB, Alabama 51.  WFT* (7-9) - Pat Freiermuth, TE, Penn State 52.  Chicago* (8-8) - Kyle Trask, QB, Florida 53.  Denver from Tennessee* (11-5) - Jabril Cox, LB, LSU 54.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington 55.  Tampa Bay  from Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Carlos Basham, DE, Wake Forest 56.  Seattle* (12-4) - Brady Christiansen, OT, BYU 57.  LA Rams* (10-6) - Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama 58.  Baltimore* (11-5) - Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia 59.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Richie Grant, Safety, UCF 60.  New Orleans* (12-4) - Greg Newsome II, CB, Northwestern 61.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Ronnie Perkins, EDGE, Oklahoma 62.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Daviyon Nixon, DT, Iowa 63.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Josh Myers, C, Ohio State 64.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia   Houston -> Miami: Laremy Tunsil Minnesota -> Jacksonville: Yannick Ngakoue NY Jets -> WFT in Sam Darnold trade Philadelphia -> Las Vegas in Carson Wentz trade Miami -> Houston: For DeShaun Watson Houston -> New Orleans For Marshon Lattimore Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 3   65.  Jacksonville (1-15) - Tyler Shelvin, DL, LSU 66.  NY Jets (2-14) - Marquez Stevenson, WR, Houston 67.  Houston (4-12) - Trey Sermon, RB, Ohio State 68.  Atlanta (4-12) - Marvin Wilson, DL, FSU 69.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati 70.  Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Ifeatu Melifonwu, CB, Syracuse 71.  Denver (5-11) - Elijah Molden, CB, Washington 72.  Detroit (5-11) - Alim McNeil, DL, NC State 73.  Los Angeles Chargers From Carolina (5-11) - Shaun Wade, CB, Ohio State 74.  WFT - from San Francisco (6-10) - Amon-Ra St. Brown, WR, USC 75.  Dallas (6-10) - Aaron Robinson, CB, Central Florida 76.  NY Giants (6-10) - Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford 77.  New England (7-9) - Jamie Newman, QB, Georgia 78.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Rashad Weaver, DE, Pittsburgh 79.  Minnesota (7-9) - Osa Odighizuwa, DT, UCLA 80.  Arizona (8-8) - Payton Turner, DE, Houston 81.  Las Vegas (8-8) - Hamsah Nasirldeen, S, FSU 82.  Miami (10-6) - Tylan Wallace, WR, Oklahoma State 83.  WFT* (7-9) - Deonte Brown, OG, Alabama 84.  Cleveland From Chicago* (8-8) - Joe Tryon, DE, Washington 85.  Indianapolis* (11-5) - Jordan Smith, DE, UAB 86.  Denver From Tennessee* (11-5) - Ar'Darius Washington, S, TCU 87.  NY Jets - from Seattle* (12-4) - Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse 88.  Tampa Bay From Pittsburgh* (12-4) - Camerone McGrone, LB, Michigan 89.  Detroit - from LA Rams* (10-6) - Trey Smith, OG, Tennessee 90.  Cleveland* (11-5) - Shakur Brown, CB, Michigan State 91.  Minnesota - from Baltimore* (11-5) - Ben Cleveland, OG, Georgia 92.  Cleveland - from New Orleans* (12-4) - D’Wayne Eskridge, WR, Western Michigan 93.  Green Bay* (13-3) - Chazz Surratt, OLB, North Carolina 94.  Buffalo* (13-3) - Eric Stokes, CB, Georgia 95.  Kansas City* (14-2) - Jaelon Darden, WR, North Texas 96.  Tampa Bay* (11-5) - Israel Mukumanu, CB, South Carolina   Baltimore -> Minnesota: Yannick Ngakoue LA Rams -> Detroit: Matthew Stafford New England stripped of draft pick because of Spygate II New Orleans -> Cleveland: 2020 picks San Francisco -> Washington: Trent Williams Seattle -> NY Jets: Jamal Adams Tennessee -> Denver (1st, 2nd and 3rd for pick No. 9, Kwity Paye) Carolina -> Chargers for Patrick Surtain Chicago -> Cleveland in Jarvis Landry trade Pittsburgh -> Tampa Bay for Mac Jones     Round 4 97.   Jacksonville (1-15) - Javonte Williams, RB, North Carolina 98.   NY Jets (2-14) - Chubba Hubbard, RB, Oklahoma State 99.   Atlanta (4-12) - Paris Ford, S, Pittsburgh 100.  New Orleans from Houston (4-12) - Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina 101.  Cleveland - from Philadelphia (4-11-1) - Hamilcar Rashed, EDGE, Oregon 102.  Cincinnati (4-11-1) - Tutu Atwell, WR, Louisville 103.  Detroit (5-11) - Talanoa Hufanga, S, USC 104.  New Orleans from Houston from Carolina (5-11) - Jamien Sherwood, S, Auburn 105.  Denver (5-11) - Quinn Meinerz, OG/OC , Wisconsin - Whitewater 106.  Dallas (6-10) - Jaylen Twyman DT, Pitt 107.  NY Giants (6-10) - Marlon Williams, WR, UCF 108.  San Francisco (6-10) - Aaron Banks, OG, Notre Dame 109.  LA Chargers (7-9) - Justin Hilliard, LB, Ohio State 110.  Minnesota (7-9) 111.  LA Chargers from New England (7-9) 112.  Las Vegas from Miami - from Las Vegas (8-8) 113.  Eagles from Carolina from Houston - from Arizona (8-8) 114.  Miami (10-6) 115.  WFT* (7-9) 116.  Minnesota - from Chicago* (8-8) 117.  Tennessee* (11-5) 118.  Las Vegas from Indianapolis* (11-5) 119.  Pittsburgh* (12-4) 120.  Seattle* (12-4) 121.  Jacksonville - from LA Rams* (10-6) 122.  Baltimore* (11-5) 123.  Chicago from Cleveland* (11-5) 124.  New Orleans* (12-4) 125.  Minnesota - from Buffalo* (13-3) 126.  Green Bay* (13-3) 127.  Kansas City* (14-2) 128.  Tampa Bay* (11-5)     Arizona -> Houston: De'Andre Hopkins Buffalo -> Minnesota: Stefon Diggs Chicago -> Minnesota: 2020 picks LA Rams -> Jacksonville: Jalen Ramsey Philadelphia -> Cleveland: Genard Avery Las Vegas -> Miami: Raekwon McMillan Miami -> Las Vegas: Lynn Bowden Jr. Carolina -> Houston: Tua trade Houston -> Carolina: Tua trade Carolina -> Eagles: Zach Ertz trade Indianapolis -> Las Vegas: Carr trade New England -> LA Chargers: Patrick Surtain Cleveland -> Chicago: Jarvis Landry trade Houston -> New Orleans: Lattimore trade
    • IF MN doesn't pick till tomorrow.....   With 111, the Chargers will select   iOL/C Quinn Meinerz   or OG Kendrick Green, if Meinerez is gone.    
    • With the 109th pick,    Chargers select LB Justin Hilliard from OSU.   Surprised he wasn't up higher on the big board. PFF has him as a late 2nd.     Minnesota Vikings and @coltsfanmurf are on the clock.
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