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Why Are Fans Scared Of The Idea Of The Colts Drafting Luck?

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If i'm luck i wouldn't want to come here and potentially sit behind manning for four years........and i also wouldn't want to play with this defense.......If i felt they were going to pick me i'd just play another year of college ball

If i'm luck i wouldn't want to come here and potentially sit behind manning for four years........and i also wouldn't want to play with this defense.......If i felt they were going to pick me i'd just play another year of college ball

And take another risk of getting hurt and missing out on a pay day? Please, plus you get to learn under Peyton...Please

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Then this team is bound to revert back to it's play/record pre Manning, which isn't all bad I mean hey means more seats available at Lucas to see the Colts, no more of those pesky Monday night or Sunday night or even thursday night games and no worries about saving up to buy those "Superbowl" tickets each year......

this isn't true.......it doesn't make sense to draft luck when he will probably be sitting for four years.........if manning is going to get more rings we are going to need some serious help in the secondary and o-line............say we do draft he does play like manning everything is good on that front........then you same people will be complaining because we draft to low to draft quality defensive players.......................

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this isn't true.......it doesn't make sense to draft luck when he will probably be sitting for four years.........if manning is going to get more rings we are going to need some serious help in the secondary and o-line............say we do draft he does play like manning everything is good on that front........then you same people will be complaining because we draft to low to draft quality defensive players.......................

There are no more rings for Peyton, have you not watched the last 5 games? The Manning era is over or coming to an end.

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I'm just going to post the following stats for comparison:

through 5 games:

Andrew Luck: 106/145, 73.1% completion, 14 TD 2 INT

Alex Smith: 83/126, 65.9% completion, 7 TD 1 INT

Alex Smith is 6th in the league in completion percentage and 3rd in overall QB rating with a QB rating of 104.1. He's also tied at #1 with Aaron Rodgers for best TD/INT ratio. This is all in his first year in Jim Harbaugh's system, the same system that Luck is currently in at Stanford. Prior to this year, Smith's best completion % for a year was 60.5% (in '09 and this was the only year he even topped 60%) and his best QB rating was 82.1. Smith's best TD/INT ratio was last year when the ratio was 1.5/1...a far cry from his current 7/1 ratio.

I don't know if this will help, but this is what I've been trying to understand....is Luck really that good or is he perhaps, even maybe just a little teeny tiny bit, a product of a very QB friendly system. If you don't believe this is at all possible then I ask only one question....what is the explanation for the dramatic increase in production of Alex Smith?

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If you don't believe this is at all possible then I ask only one question....what is the explanation for the dramatic increase in production of Alex Smith?

I'm not saying I believe anything about Luck, one way or the other, but I will chime in on Alex Smith. He's always been able to throw the football. He's athletic, and he's seen a lot of defenses. He had 7 coordinators in his first 7 years, many of them with extremely different ideologies. He was in and out of the lineup, due to injuries and inconsistent play. Alex Smith got a really raw deal for the first part of his career. Now, he has a very quarterback friendly system, and he's the absolute starter. Plus, the defense has been putting the offense in really good positions so far this season (not the first time that's happened). I'm not trying to explain away all of Alex Smith's issues over his years in the NFL, but I do think he got screwed by the highly dysfunctional management of the 49ers.

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I don't think anyone is scared of drafting him. Some people just believe his value is high enough that the team could upgrade across the board with what they could get for the top pick, so that opportunity can't be overlooked.

I'm personally on the Luck side of the argument. I just don't see a few extra draft picks being anywhere near enough to transform this team into one that can win without transcendent QB play. This team NEEDS a generational type talent at QB to win, that's the way it has been built for the past decade, and I can't imagine that changing so easily. With Polian's recent first round history, I dunno...I just can't get too excited about the prospect of stockpiling 2011's versions of Gonzalez, Brown, and Hughes all at once rather than spreading them over 3 years. I CAN get excited about the feeling that we may have miraculously stumbled onto a once-in-a-lifetime chance to seamlessly transition from Manning to the best QB prospect SINCE Manning.

Put it this way: I think the case to trade down would be more compelling if I could name any 3 first round picks from the past 8 years I would trade Manning for.

How about Calvin Johnson (Alshon Jeffery), Larry Fitzgerald (Michael Floyd), and Adrian Peterson (LaMichael James, who is actually more like Faulk or Sanders, but you said last 8 years)? We won't get 3 1st round picks in trade for the 2012 draft, but we could very likely get a 1st and 2nd in 2012, a 1st and 2nd in 2013, plus possibly some other lower picks. And if another top 5 pick team made the trade with us, we could get Alshon Jeffery with their 2012 1st, trade their(or our) 2013 1st and 2nd for a 2012 mid-round 1st which we could get Michael Floyd with, and then use one of our 2nd round picks (possibly trade down again) to get LaMichael James. You never know, man... And before anyone jumps all over this crying about our defensive needs, I really think that can be addressed via free agency and with our players being healthy.

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I'm just going to post the following stats for comparison:

through 5 games:

Andrew Luck: 106/145, 73.1% completion, 14 TD 2 INT

Alex Smith: 83/126, 65.9% completion, 7 TD 1 INT

Alex Smith is 6th in the league in completion percentage and 3rd in overall QB rating with a QB rating of 104.1. He's also tied at #1 with Aaron Rodgers for best TD/INT ratio. This is all in his first year in Jim Harbaugh's system, the same system that Luck is currently in at Stanford. Prior to this year, Smith's best completion % for a year was 60.5% (in '09 and this was the only year he even topped 60%) and his best QB rating was 82.1. Smith's best TD/INT ratio was last year when the ratio was 1.5/1...a far cry from his current 7/1 ratio.

I don't know if this will help, but this is what I've been trying to understand....is Luck really that good or is he perhaps, even maybe just a little teeny tiny bit, a product of a very QB friendly system. If you don't believe this is at all possible then I ask only one question....what is the explanation for the dramatic increase in production of Alex Smith?

excellent points, man! Definitely something that should be considered...

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There are no more rings for Peyton, have you not watched the last 5 games? The Manning era is over or coming to an end.

Those are the words of a fool. Peyton will come back, and he will eat up defenses just like he always has. And just imagine what kind of production he'll have with an elite WR like Alshon Jeffery, Justin Blackmon, or Michael Floyd to throw to, along with some interior offensive line upgrades, and perhaps a game breaking RB steal in the second round (LaMichael James)... When he does come back next year, and has an upgraded o-line, upgraded skill position players, and whatever other ransom we get for the Luck pick, and he's tearing it up and leading us to win after win, are you gonna be mad that we didn't draft Luck? If and when we win another superbowl, or possibly multiple ones, are you gonna be upset then?

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IMO -- I don't know that "scared" is the right word. However, for lots of fans the drafting of Luck is a tangible sign that Manning's time as a Colt is coming to an end. Nobody wants to see one of the greatest of all time who they've gotten to watch up close on "their" team move on.

My thing is -- Manning is likely not to come back next season as the same QB that he left as. He'll be 18 months older since we've last seen him on the field and also will coming off of multiple major surgeries. He may be 95% of his old self or he may be 75%. There is no guarantee that he'll be able to start 16 games a year any more either.

Now, the issue is...and it's not my call to make....but if you can replace one of the greatest QB's ever with perhaps a very similar version -- that is 15 years younger should you do it? You'll have the weigh the benefit of 'minimal' return on your initial pick for a few seasons vs the impact your team can feel TODAY by either drafting a stud player at another position with that #1 pick or trading it away for multiple players to fill some holes.

Manning has -- at best -- another 4 years left (cause I don't think he plans on playing past this new contract)....is now the time to draft the QB of the future. If Manning hadn't been injured and were playing then I would have said no. However, given his injury and uncertainty I think you have to at least consider it.....especially cause I don't want them to be in a position to get this type of draft pick again in the upcoming seasons.

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There are no more rings for Peyton, have you not watched the last 5 games? The Manning era is over or coming to an end.

The window of opportunity for another championship has not only closed but slammed shut. This is the worst Colts team I've ever seen and to those who think we won't get the 1st pick I don't see this team winning a game anytime soon. Draft Luck he's too good to pass up.

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I would be glad if we drafted Luck. I don't like the idea of people saying we should throw the whole season just to get him.

Have a little pride, try and scrap a few wins where we can.

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Just an observation from someone on the outside looking in, I think what the Colts have right now with Curtis Painter is a great situation. I don't think the Colts have anything to worry about in the future because from what I've seen so far, Painter isn't all that bad. Plus you have Peyton on the sidelines now in Painters ear, the sky is the limit with this kid.

Even if Peyton can come back for one or two more years, it will only help Painter in the long run. I think the future is bright for the Colts and as much as it pains me to say, while maybe not this year, the Colts will still be beating my beloved Bengals whenever and wherever they meet.

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I don't get why one pick is gonna destroy our chances of rebuilding this team. Trading this single pick will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT fix ALL OF THE GLARING HOLES ON THIS TEAM! Why not just draft Luck and use our other high picks to continue to build this team. One pick will not doom this team. A lot of other things besides drafting Luck will doom this team, and some of them are happening right now this year.

And people say that it is the time to win now, well you don't do that by drafting. Signing a bunch rookies is not gonna help us win now. Peyton does not have time to wait for rookies to develop.

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Manning playing at 75% is better than most current Qbs playing at 100%.

Idk about that, have you ever seen peyton play at 75 percent? i know i havent.... i remember when Ron Jaworski mentioned on a monday night game the last season peyton was playing about how he seemed a little off on his throws and that something was probably bothering him.. that was the same season he had quite a few picks and as we all know after that season peyton had the surgery this year.... I dont want no 75 percent QB leading this team because that 25 percent can show up anytime in any given situation especially at QB

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I don't get why one pick is gonna destroy our chances of rebuilding this team. Trading this single pick will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT fix ALL OF THE GLARING HOLES ON THIS TEAM! Why not just draft Luck and use our other high picks to continue to build this team. One pick will not doom this team. A lot of other things besides drafting Luck will doom this team, and some of them are happening right now this year.

And people say that it is the time to win now, well you don't do that by drafting. Signing a bunch rookies is not gonna help us win now. Peyton does not have time to wait for rookies to develop.

Exactly, which is why we should use the high picks we get in return for the Luck pick to draft mostly players that can contribute right away (such as WRs, RBs, return specialist/WR), and address the positions of need, that typically take time to develop (such as OL, DL, QB, and CB), via free agency and/or trade. The one exception is that we should definitely use one of those 1st or 2nd round picks to get a huge, talented interior o-lineman. There are gonna be lots of solid defensive free agents available and a few really good interior o-linemen too. I think we are gonna lose/cut several players this offseason, which should free up a significant amount of cap space to sign outside free agents. And I'm feeling just fine about Painter as our backup QB for next season based on what I've seen lately. We could get one of the elite WR (Jeffery, Blackmon, or Floyd), a beast OG (Cordy Glenn-G from Georgia-6'5"-348 lbs or Kelechi Osemele-G from Iowa State-6'5"-347 lbs), another very solid WR that is also an excellent return specialist (Ryan Broyles-WR from Oklahoma), and a 2nd round steal gamebreaking RB (LaMichael James-RB from Oregon). I'm pretty sure those guys would help us immediately, and in a huge way!

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Exactly, which is why we should use the high picks we get in return for the Luck pick to draft mostly players that can contribute right away (such as WRs, RBs, return specialist/WR), and address the positions of need, that typically take time to develop (such as OL, DL, QB, and CB), via free agency and/or trade. The one exception is that we should definitely use one of those 1st or 2nd round picks to get a huge, talented interior o-lineman. There are gonna be lots of solid defensive free agents available and a few really good interior o-linemen too. I think we are gonna lose/cut several players this offseason, which should free up a significant amount of cap space to sign outside free agents. And I'm feeling just fine about Painter as our backup QB for next season based on what I've seen lately. We could get one of the elite WR (Jeffery, Blackmon, or Floyd), a beast OG (Cordy Glenn-G from Georgia-6'5"-348 lbs or Kelechi Osemele-G from Iowa State-6'5"-347 lbs), another very solid WR that is also an excellent return specialist (Ryan Broyles-WR from Oklahoma), and a 2nd round steal gamebreaking RB (LaMichael James-RB from Oregon). I'm pretty sure those guys would help us immediately, and in a huge way!

That is a more reasonable point. It's just that I disagreed with the people that were supporting letting rookies develop under Manning when their whole argument is about winning now. Developing rookies take time, but some don't as you pointed out. I'm more for drafting those plug-in guys. But some people are mistaken thinking all of our picks will be plug-ins.

Honestly, I feel we are headed for rough times regardless we draft Luck or not. This team has too many holes that can't be filled in the near future. I feel it will take at least 3-5 years of smart drafting and FA signings to make this team more balanced.

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That is a more reasonable point. It's just that I disagreed with the people that were supporting letting rookies develop under Manning when their whole argument is about winning now. Developing rookies take time, but some don't as you pointed out. I'm more for drafting those plug-in guys. But some people are mistaken thinking all of our picks will be plug-ins.

Honestly, I feel we are headed for rough times regardless we draft Luck or not. This team has too many holes that can't be filled in the near future. I feel it will take at least 3-5 years of smart drafting and FA signings to make this team more balanced.

I know we've looked seriously bad at times this season, but if Manning were playing we could very realistically be 4-1 right now. Given, none of us know for sure what Manning is gonna play like when he comes back (but I've got a strong hunch he's gonna be frickin' awesome as always), but even without him, we could still easily be 3-2 right now. It's not as bad as it seems, really. We've got numerous injuries and we still could have easily won the last three games. People are just reacting to our record, but we are much better than our record indicates. And most of us on here have a tendency to overexagerate our points in order to get them across. If Manning comes back full strength, we do trade the Luck pick how I suggested, we sign 3-5 contributing free agents, and we stay somewhat healthy, I see no reason at all why we wouldn't be superbowl contenders again next season.

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Imo the colts have plenty of time to get a QB, peyton will be back next season.. another QB is gonna be in the spotlight as always,

Ask the Broncos about that...ask the Dolphins about that....how many years has it been since Elway...since Marino.

When Manning returns, the Colts will go back to drafting at the bottom of the round...good luck hoping another "Rodgers" drops in the draft.

This opportunity is rare;a team with a HOF'er is rarely terrible enough to get the top draft choice. It reminds me of when David Robinson was out for a season with an injury and the Spurs (like the Colts) played like crap and got the first draft choice.....they drafted Tim Duncan and remained a successful franchise long after Robinson retired

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I don't get why one pick is gonna destroy our chances of rebuilding this team. Trading this single pick will NOT, I repeat, WILL NOT fix ALL OF THE GLARING HOLES ON THIS TEAM! Why not just draft Luck and use our other high picks to continue to build this team. One pick will not doom this team. A lot of other things besides drafting Luck will doom this team, and some of them are happening right now this year.

And people say that it is the time to win now, well you don't do that by drafting. Signing a bunch rookies is not gonna help us win now. Peyton does not have time to wait for rookies to develop.

The most relevant statement in the whole thread :foam:

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It's just that I disagreed with the people that were supporting letting rookies develop under Manning when their whole argument is about winning now. Developing rookies take time, but some don't as you pointed out. I'm more for drafting those plug-in guys. But some people are mistaken thinking all of our picks will be plug-ins.

valid point...however no one is suggesting to replace the entire OL with a group of rookies, or the entire WR core. In my ideal draft we get 1 MLB, 1 DT, 1 OG, 1 WR, 1 SS, 1 CB, a developmental QB and then any other players picked are for depth. So you're not plugging multiple new players into any one area but rather adding one new player into multiple areas. I would expect several to start pretty much from day one whereas a few others may not start until midway through the season. This doesn't mean we completely ignore FA...we could still go into FA for additional help on the OL and/or in the secondary. You simply have to be smart about the players you draft and go specifically for players who already perform a function similar to what you would be asking them to do on our team. You have to do the same thing in FA. You can't just go out and start signing any available FA...if they've played exclusively in a type of system that is opposite of what we're going to be asking them to do then there's a big learning curve there as well.

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Ask the Broncos about that...ask the Dolphins about that....how many years has it been since Elway...since Marino.

When Manning returns, the Colts will go back to drafting at the bottom of the round...good luck hoping another "Rodgers" drops in the draft.

This opportunity is rare;a team with a HOF'er is rarely terrible enough to get the top draft choice. It reminds me of when David Robinson was out for a season with an injury and the Spurs (like the Colts) played like crap and got the first draft choice.....they drafted Tim Duncan and remained a successful franchise long after Robinson retired

Good post. Many people here can't see the forest for the tree's so to speak. When you get put in this rare situation you don't just throw it away, you have to go ahead and draft the future even if he has to sit a few yrs.. Its like you said, im sure the Broncos and the Dolphins thought the same way, that they would just be able to get their next QB after Elway, Marino, but it hasn't really worked out real well for them and they have been insignifigant for yrs. now.

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Ask the Broncos about that...ask the Dolphins about that....how many years has it been since Elway...since Marino.

When Manning returns, the Colts will go back to drafting at the bottom of the round...good luck hoping another "Rodgers" drops in the draft.

A lot of people jump to this argument but you forget about the additional future picks we acquire in the deals as well. Making the trade down or trades down from #1 this year would give us at least an additional 1st round and an additional mid round pick for next year. If we don't need anyone in particular in one of those positions, trade down and acquire the additional first round pick for the following year and so on....not only does trading down in 2012 give us additional 2012 picks but it also gives us a lot more flexibility in the future as well. How many years in a row has NE had multiple first round picks? We can easily do the same.

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valid point...however no one is suggesting to replace the entire OL with a group of rookies, or the entire WR core. In my ideal draft we get 1 MLB, 1 DT, 1 OG, 1 WR, 1 SS, 1 CB, a developmental QB and then any other players picked are for depth. So you're not plugging multiple new players into any one area but rather adding one new player into multiple areas. I would expect several to start pretty much from day one whereas a few others may not start until midway through the season. This doesn't mean we completely ignore FA...we could still go into FA for additional help on the OL and/or in the secondary. You simply have to be smart about the players you draft and go specifically for players who already perform a function similar to what you would be asking them to do on our team. You have to do the same thing in FA. You can't just go out and start signing any available FA...if they've played exclusively in a type of system that is opposite of what we're going to be asking them to do then there's a big learning curve there as well.

jason, I have enjoyed reading your posts and many times you bring out good points . . . but i think it is really going to be tough to get more than say 3 or 4 starters from a single draft class . . . rarely doesn a team get more than 4 starters from a single draft class, . .. well at least starters that are going to be good for a few years going forward . . . i can see expecting to get 3 or 4 starters by 6 might be a tad high for a single draft class . . .

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jason, I have enjoyed reading your posts and many times you bring out good points . . . but i think it is really going to be tough to get more than say 3 or 4 starters from a single draft class . . . rarely doesn a team get more than 4 starters from a single draft class, . .. well at least starters that are going to be good for a few years going forward . . . i can see expecting to get 3 or 4 starters by 6 might be a tad high for a single draft class . . .

valid point, but to be fair I said I would expect "several" not all to start pretty much from day one. :) It all depends on how many deals we're able to make and who we're able to make them with.

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Those are the words of a fool. Peyton will come back, and he will eat up defenses just like he always has. And just imagine what kind of production he'll have with an elite WR like Alshon Jeffery, Justin Blackmon, or Michael Floyd to throw to, along with some interior offensive line upgrades, and perhaps a game breaking RB steal in the second round (LaMichael James)... When he does come back next year, and has an upgraded o-line, upgraded skill position players, and whatever other ransom we get for the Luck pick, and he's tearing it up and leading us to win after win, are you gonna be mad that we didn't draft Luck? If and when we win another superbowl, or possibly multiple ones, are you gonna be upset then?

If you can watch this team play right now and think that a aging immobile QB with a shakey offensive line, a very questionable running game (even with a drafted RB if they would) and the defense we presently have can get to, let alone win another SB in 2012, 2013 or 2014 then you must not be watching the Colts.

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Manning playing at 75% is better than most current Qbs playing at 100%.

Fine you have a 75% QB on a average team, still not good enough to beat the elite teams.

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Exactly, which is why we should use the high picks we get in return for the Luck pick to draft mostly players that can contribute right away (such as WRs, RBs, return specialist/WR), and address the positions of need, that typically take time to develop (such as OL, DL, QB, and CB), via free agency and/or trade. The one exception is that we should definitely use one of those 1st or 2nd round picks to get a huge, talented interior o-lineman. There are gonna be lots of solid defensive free agents available and a few really good interior o-linemen too. I think we are gonna lose/cut several players this offseason, which should free up a significant amount of cap space to sign outside free agents. And I'm feeling just fine about Painter as our backup QB for next season based on what I've seen lately. We could get one of the elite WR (Jeffery, Blackmon, or Floyd), a beast OG (Cordy Glenn-G from Georgia-6'5"-348 lbs or Kelechi Osemele-G from Iowa State-6'5"-347 lbs), another very solid WR that is also an excellent return specialist (Ryan Broyles-WR from Oklahoma), and a 2nd round steal gamebreaking RB (LaMichael James-RB from Oregon). I'm pretty sure those guys would help us immediately, and in a huge way!

A) Why do people think teams will hand over multiple picks?

B) You can have all the talent you want via the draft, it takes time for that talent to develop

C) Why are people looking so short term?

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I know we've looked seriously bad at times this season, but if Manning were playing we could very realistically be 4-1 right now. Given, none of us know for sure what Manning is gonna play like when he comes back (but I've got a strong hunch he's gonna be frickin' awesome as always), but even without him, we could still easily be 3-2 right now. It's not as bad as it seems, really. We've got numerous injuries and we still could have easily won the last three games. People are just reacting to our record, but we are much better than our record indicates. And most of us on here have a tendency to overexagerate our points in order to get them across. If Manning comes back full strength, we do trade the Luck pick how I suggested, we sign 3-5 contributing free agents, and we stay somewhat healthy, I see no reason at all why we wouldn't be superbowl contenders again next season.

Could be? We are 0-5...this whole "could be this...might be that" and a $1 gets you a cup of coffee at Speedway.

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valid point...however no one is suggesting to replace the entire OL with a group of rookies, or the entire WR core. In my ideal draft we get 1 MLB, 1 DT, 1 OG, 1 WR, 1 SS, 1 CB, a developmental QB and then any other players picked are for depth. So you're not plugging multiple new players into any one area but rather adding one new player into multiple areas. I would expect several to start pretty much from day one whereas a few others may not start until midway through the season. This doesn't mean we completely ignore FA...we could still go into FA for additional help on the OL and/or in the secondary. You simply have to be smart about the players you draft and go specifically for players who already perform a function similar to what you would be asking them to do on our team. You have to do the same thing in FA. You can't just go out and start signing any available FA...if they've played exclusively in a type of system that is opposite of what we're going to be asking them to do then there's a big learning curve there as well.

Polian doesn't really use the FA market to build his teams, so those who keep saying we can add a FA here or there must not be paying attention to how the Polians build a franchise.

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It's not fright; it's logic. This isn't the Favre/Rodgers scenario, even though it looks like that to people who can't think for themselves our breath through their noses. Why spend $24 million dollars on a guy who won't do anything for 4 years? The Packers certainly didn't. That money could be better spent on picks and acquisitions that not only prepare this team for the future, but also maximize our chances to win Super Bowls while Manning is still around.

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It's not fright; it's logic. This isn't the Favre/Rodgers scenario, even though it looks like that to people who can't think for themselves our breath through their noses. Why spend $24 million dollars on a guy who won't do anything for 4 years? The Packers certainly didn't. That money could be better spent on picks and acquisitions that not only prepare this team for the future, but also maximize our chances to win Super Bowls while Manning is still around.

Why do you think it will take Luck 4 years? He should be ready in 2 and then you Cut Peyton Manning. I am kinda unclear why this isn't so obvious? SF had no problem cutting Joe Montana, the Packers had no problem trading Farve. Peyton is getting old and is not going to get better.

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Please explain to me why the organization would draft Luck and build the rest of the team through free-agency? The Polian era has never participated much in free agency. We all thought the front office would be bringing in several FAs this year to get this team to the SB since it is home. What did we do? Tommy Harris, cut. Ernie Sims, most fans think he is a one year find. This team historically buildes through the draft and past experience is a great predictor of future actions. One draft pick that is hyped beyond belief can garner 7 extra picks this year and next, maybe even 2 extra picks in rounds 1-2.

If this team will actually find good FAs, I would be all in with the Luck pick but they do not.

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C) Why are people looking so short term?

How is acquiring multiple picks both in 2012 and 2013 thinking short term? I don't get this....at all.

A) Why do people think teams will hand over multiple picks?

Atlanta trading up for Julio Jones and Cleveland trading up for Brady Quinn are just 2 very recent examples. Why do you think teams WOULDN'T hand over multiple picks for the guy you yourself are proclaiming the "next Peyton Manning"?

Incidentally, my updated dream/mock draft is here... http://forums.colts....012-mock-draft/

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How is acquiring multiple picks both in 2012 and 2013 thinking short term? I don't get this....at all.

Atlanta trading up for Julio Jones and Cleveland trading up for Brady Quinn are just 2 very recent examples. Why do you think teams WOULDN'T hand over multiple picks for the guy you yourself are proclaiming the "next Peyton Manning"?

Incidentally, my updated dream/mock draft is here... http://forums.colts....012-mock-draft/

Because I don't see us getting "multiple" picks and looking short term in by passing up a player who can be your frachise QB for the next decade which doesn't come around very often. I could see a team swaping 1st round picks and maybe a couple of other future picks for our pick, but again it's still not equal to getting Luck.

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Because I don't see us getting "multiple" picks and looking short term in by passing up a player who can be your frachise QB for the next decade which doesn't come around very often. I could see a team swaping 1st round picks and maybe a couple of other future picks for our pick, but again it's still not equal to getting Luck.

If you don't think there's a team out there that would give us more than Atlanta did for Julio Jones then....well actually that falls right in line with keeping Jim Caldwell and cutting Peyton Manning. Also, I couldn't help but notice that you've avoided commenting on the Alex Smith comparison. :hmm:

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The window of opportunity for another championship has not only closed but slammed shut. This is the worst Colts team I've ever seen and to those who think we won't get the 1st pick I don't see this team winning a game anytime soon. Draft Luck he's too good to pass up.

Than with your user name, I can only conclude that "4ever" means about 14 years or less.

There is a very fine line between winning and losing in the NFL, and the Colts still have incredible talent at numerous positions, and a lot of promising youth at others. The young QB, the young (and injured) oline, the poor DB play, and DT issues may make winning games this year difficult, but what does that have to do with a window being slammed shut? Holes can be filled, the kids will get better, and Peyton will return. NO door is shut as long as he is behind center.

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If you don't think there's a team out there that would give us more than Atlanta did for Julio Jones then....well actually that falls right in line with keeping Jim Caldwell and cutting Peyton Manning. Also, I couldn't help but notice that you've avoided commenting on the Alex Smith comparison. :hmm:

I am willing to take the risk that he is another Alex Smith. You take risks everytime you draft. It was a risk when the Colts took Petyon over Leaf, and it was a risk when the Colts took James over rickey williams at RB. All you can do is go by the informatino you have. I take Luck, no question and see what happens, and then use the other 5-6 picks to beef up key positions on the colts as a whole.

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I am willing to take the risk that he is another Alex Smith. You take risks everytime you draft. It was a risk when the Colts took Petyon over Leaf, and it was a risk when the Colts took James over rickey williams at RB. All you can do is go by the informatino you have. I take Luck, no question and see what happens, and then use the other 5-6 picks to beef up key positions on the colts as a whole.

LOL...and with that I say the same to you that you say to so many others.....I am glad you are not the Colts GM. You want to keep Jim Caldwell and cut Peyton Manning for someone who could be the next Alex Smith?

Yes, you take risks every time you draft...but by asking yourself these important questions (is Luck that good or is he product of Harbaugh's system) then you can make educated, calculated risks. You don't have to just "go by the information you have"...you investigate for yourself.

I'm thrilled for you that you're such a big fan of Luck that you would take him no questions asked...but in doing so you're also stating that you would cut Peyton Manning in the process. So, cut the greatest of all time who could have 3-4 fully healthy years left in favor of a guy who you're not going to take the time to ask any important questions about? Nice.

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