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Am I the only one who feels this way? I think manning could do without pro bowl caliber players on offense and work with players of the same caliber as garçon white and collie. I really hope we address defense this draft and through f/a.

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Trade our offensive firepower for a top 5 defense? Peyton Manning IS at least 80% of that firepower.

However I wouldn't trade it for a top 5 defense, there's got to be a balance between offense and defense for a great team to flourish, we certainly do not have that.

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I would say yes and just keep peyton... the guy improves everyones game, the colts with a top 5 defense.. i dont think the nfl would be ready for something like that.... i too hope the colts address the defense this year.. they have enough options on offense its now time to address the defense.

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The D philosophy has just simply got to change. Or the staff....... The Colts cover 2 has had one great year of total D (09), and one spectacular short run (SB win)

Outside of that... this D has been tick poor. And I for one am just simply tired of relying on our O to bail us out game after game. Our D cannot stop anyone when they need to, they are too darn small. Oh and they can't tackle a fat kid.

the Colts should have won today.but .......................

aggggg.. I won't even start.

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The D philosophy has just simply got to change. Or the staff....... The Colts cover 2 has had one great year of total D (09), and one spectacular short run (SB win)

Outside of that... this D has been tick poor. And I for one am just simply tired of relying on our O to bail us out game after game. Our D cannot stop anyone when they need to, they are too darn small. Oh and they can't tackle a fat kid.

the Colts should have won today.but .......................

aggggg.. I won't even start.

Sometimes i know its not right but 3:00 minutes left in the game and the colts punt it.... idc what game it is i always expect worse, that just comes with the territory with the colts defense their bend but dont break system always fails them in situations like this.

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I think the Colts need to be more aggressive in Free Agency next year, and stray away from being lackadasical during that period.....

As for trading an offense..No way.....Stick with the guys that made us who we are...

When you play with Manning it's either shape up, or ship out.....

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It would be awesome to have a top 5 defense, but trading all the offensive firepower would be counter-productive. Manning might be able to make some guys look better than they are, but Blair White's success last year had a lot to do with being an unknown quantity on a team with Reggie Wayne. Other teams figured that without Dallas Clark in there, we'd have to go to Reggie, so they stepped up coverage on him, leaving White open. To trade away all the offensive firepower would negate that.

If trading away Clark and Reggie, but keeping Garcon, Collie, and Addai could get us a top 5 defense, then yes, do it now. But you can't be completely one-sided on either side of the ball.

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So in reality your asking the Colts to turn into the Bears. Then the answer is no.

Jay Cutler is not even near the level of Manning so I dont see the comparison. Also the Bears suck because they have absolutely no offensive line (ironically Forte just had a career game).

I'm saying would you guys be willing to give up players like Wayne, Clark, Addai and keep late round players like Collie, White, Garcon while having a top tier defense? Also for those saying that they love seeing offense, its nice until you get an early playoff exit and realize you need defense.

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It would be awesome to have a top 5 defense, but trading all the offensive firepower would be counter-productive. Manning might be able to make some guys look better than they are, but Blair White's success last year had a lot to do with being an unknown quantity on a team with Reggie Wayne. Other teams figured that without Dallas Clark in there, we'd have to go to Reggie, so they stepped up coverage on him, leaving White open. To trade away all the offensive firepower would negate that.

If trading away Clark and Reggie, but keeping Garcon, Collie, and Addai could get us a top 5 defense, then yes, do it now. But you can't be completely one-sided on either side of the ball.

exactly what I;m getting at is the Colts need to start addressing the defense more. We can live with guys like Garcon, Collie, and other future late round picks. There are a lot of good players that can be found in the later rounds. You don't need to draft a Michael Crabtree, Reggie Bush etc. when you can find players like Collie, Garcon in the later rounds who give just as much production. Especially with a player like Manning who brings out greatness. When players go down on offense we have seen time and time again their backups do a great job of filling in. White did excellent last year, Collie was a steal in the 4th round, Rhodes did very well when Addai was injured, Jacob Tamme played excellent when Clark got hurt.

This is a problem we have on defense, we don't get good play out of backup players like we do on offense.

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Looking to the future, post Manning...the odds on getting another QB anywhere close to his caliber are not good. We need a strong defense to go with an average QB, so yes, I'd trade. We will be in that position when Manning retires, so we need to start building the defense now.

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Am I the only one who feels this way? I think manning could do without pro bowl caliber players on offense and work with players of the same caliber as garçon white and collie. I really hope we address defense this draft and through f/a.

No..thr NFL is an offensive theatre now...

Green Bay is not great defensively....but you cant stop them..

New Orleans, Philadelphia and New England dare the same way...

..just like we'd been for 10 years..

You win with big timeoffense..the game has changed..

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The D philosophy has just simply got to change. Or the staff....... The Colts cover 2 has had one great year of total D (09), and one spectacular short run (SB win) Outside of that... this D has been tick poor.

Really? Then how the heck could we end up #2 in 2005, #1(!) in 2007, and a number of other top 10 positions on the Points/game rankings? What could be a better measurement of a defense than Points/game? We had a really good D until 2009. Then we had some bad luck with injuries, and a couple of bad picks and we ended up here. But this D is still not tick poor. Just imagine the current D with Sanders in SS position for example...

The D is not principally bad. It has some obvious flaws, which our opponents can take advantage of. The longer the D has to be on the field, those flaws can be exploited easier, and this D spends a lot of time on field nowadays...

We need to draft a playmaker CB, a good safety, and a big d-line guy, and this D will look a heckuva lot better.

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we need to get rid of that stupid bent but don't break defence,there doing alot of breaking,

The scheme has worked fine for 2 or even 3 quarters in a game. But when our offense only puts up 30 yards after halftime, any defense is going to break. It doesn't matter who the team is, or what scheme is being run.

If the offense stops offering assistance, the defense will break down.

This statement is so ignorant, like so many here....

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Our offensive fire-power is Peyton Mannng and Reggie Wayne. None of these other guys even matter. Yes, I am including Dallas.

If no one matters exept Peyton and Reggie, then what the heck happened to our O last year? Peyton and Reggie were playing all season along, only some of those who don't matter were injured...

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If no one matters exept Peyton and Reggie, then what the heck happened to our O last year? Peyton and Reggie were playing all season along, only some of those who don't matter were injured...

Peyton was dealing with the neck injury all season and kept throwing interceptions due to arm numbness,

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How is it that Green Bay can find that perfect balance between explosive offense with a good defense yet the Colts can not ever seem to get it right? The closest we came was probably 05 and 09 to a lesser extent.

Coaching. We have the talent , just bad schemes . which makes us look reeally bad at defense and doesnt work at all. except for cornerbacks , they deff suck.

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Assuming we still get Manning? Then yes, this isn't even debatable. In fact, I think many Colts fans have been begging for an "average" defense, let alone a top-five defense. Could you imagine Manning quarterbacking the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, or (gasp)...the Bears. It wouldn't be fair. We couldn't run the ball last year, lost Dallas Clark and yet the Colts led the league in passing with "stars" like Tamme and White and won their division. Why have we won one Super Bowl in 13 Manning Years? Some of the worst defense and special teams play the league can offer.

On a separate note, does anyone else think it's crazy when Sanchez and Roethlisberger get credit for "leading" their teams to AFC championship games and Super Bowls by the media? Would Manning need fourth-quarter comebacks to win games with the Steelers or would they win every game by 30 points?

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