Breaking news: Colts trade for Trent Richardson (((merge)))

[House]

This is absolute crap a first round draft pick to a guy who has health issue FREAKING AWESOME.... we not not waste a second round draft pick on Glass Joe Bob Sanders while we are at it too.

Which health issues are those?

Is he expected not to play?

[tfunky14]

We didn't waste a pick.  We basically traded our 2014 (Most likely mid to low) 1st round pick for the 2012 number 3 pick.  If we would have done it back then during the draft, it would be an aboslute steal.  Now we even have the luxury of seeing how our pick performs in the League. 

 

Luck, TY, Trent just a generation after Manning, Marvin, Edge.  I have nothing to complain about. 

perfect post.....period

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I agree the jury is still out...but If I had my pick at any one of these guys at their respective positions I would take all Colts players. Martin and morris had better rookie years, but Richardson is the better talent (and by a large margin) in my opinion.

i usually completely agree with you but honestly man/mam(?) you have to give credit where credit is due. Sure you can use the stacked box excuse all you want but production in this case should win out in both cases for Morris and Muscle hamster(martin). Give credit where credit is due. How about we just say that all 3 are speciall talents/

[Indy005]

i usually completely agree with you but honestly man/mam(?) you have to give credit where credit is due. Sure you can use the stacked box excuse all you want but production in this case should win out in both cases for Morris and Muscle hamster(martin). Give credit where credit is due. How about we just say that all 3 are speciall talents/

 

 

This isnt about just numbers but their situations.

 

Morris had RG III and a fairly good interior line of the Redskins.

 

Doug Martin has arguable the best interior guard in the game in Carl Nicks.

 

While Cleveland has all pro tackle and center, their guards are mediocre at best. The QB was Brandon freaking Weeden, and no option at the receiver position besides a inconsistent Josh Gordon.

 

Numbers do not tell the entire story, Richardson in Washington or Tampa Bay is easily a 1500 yards, 12-15 TDs, 4.5 yd per carry guy.

[Gramz]

So I just read 18 pages of this thread...  someone Shoot Me Now...

 

Good Grief People...  I'm quite certain some of you would complain if you won the lottery...  

[BOTT]

So I just read 18 pages of this thread...  someone Shoot Me Now...

 

Good Grief People...  I'm quite certain some of you would complain if you won the lottery...  

Damn taxes!

[Gramz]

darn taxes!

  well there is that    

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

This isnt about just numbers but their situations.

 

Morris had RG III and a fairly good interior line of the Redskins.

 

Doug Martin has arguable the best interior guard in the game in Carl Nicks.

 

While Cleveland has all pro tackle and center, their guards are mediocre at best. The QB was Brandon freaking Weeden, and no option at the receiver position besides a inconsistent Josh Gordon.

 

Numbers do not tell the entire story, Richardson in Washington or Tampa Bay is easily a 1500 yards, 12-15 TDs, 4.5 yd per carry guy.

Unfortunately you cannot just say things like that... They both clearly outperformed Richardson. Martin faced stack boxes as well since they have zero receivers outside of Jackson. Thats like me saying that (insert random receiver on the browns, or jags here) is better than ty hilton but their qb is so bad that he cannot put up the stats to prove it.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Donnie avery looking like a stud tonight. 

[Bubba]

Colts currently have one of the best run blocking O-line per PFF. It was very evident in the Dolphins game.

Were you watching the same game???  Luck was sacked 4 times and knocked around numerous times.  That does not equal up to a good O line.

[Bubba]

The run blocking has been decent. Welcome to 2013.

Luck was sacked 4 times and knocked around like a punching bag.

[Malakai432]

Donnie avery looking like a stud tonight.

I was just thinking that same thing. Him & Charles have just been unstoppable.

141 yards, sheesh.........

[BOTT]

Were you watching the same game???  Luck was sacked 4 times and knocked around numerous times.  That does not equal up to a good O line.

He said run blocking olines.

The pass pro was actually pretty good until late

[Dustin]

Unfortunately you cannot just say things like that... They both clearly outperformed Richardson. Martin faced stack boxes as well since they have zero receivers outside of Jackson. Thats like me saying that (insert random receiver on the browns, or jags here) is better than ty hilton but their qb is so bad that he cannot put up the stats to prove it.

the bucs had Mike Williams and Dallas Clark.

[Bubba]

He said run blocking olines.

The pass pro was actually pretty good until late

I love these forums....we can agree to disagree.  All of us here are die hard Colts fans.  Go Colts!!

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

the bucs had Mike Williams and Dallas Clark.

Benjamin Watson was superior to Clark in both receiving and Blocking which is huge for a te and the running game...

[runtelldat]

I personally love the trade. Glad to have a GM with some cahonas to make some moves as such. I believe he will have more running lanes here in Indy and a better ypca to show for it. Offensive line can be fixed. From our first two games anyway we have looked pretty good running the ball. 8th ypc, 4 yards, 3 Td's... This guy has tremendious potential and I think he shows it here with his new team. Injuries? Seems like a damn tough guy to me playing with broken ribs while racking up 11tds and only missing one game. Love the trade myself...

 

Welcome to Indy Trent!

GO COLTS

[Dustin]

Benjamin Watson was superior to Clark in both receiving and Blocking which is huge for a te and the running game...

no Ben Watson is awful.

[Dustin]

Benjamin Watson was superior to Clark in both receiving and Blocking which is huge for a te and the running game...

also, im not saying that TRich was better than Morris/Martin, but I don't think there's any question that he has the higher ceiling.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

no Ben Watson is awful.

no he is not. Better receiver especially since he has an awful qb (argument goes both ways), and a much better blocker than the notoriously mediocre at blocking clark. Fact is Morris performed (although i think hes a product of the system) and Martin is just flat out better than Richardson at this point in their careers.I have extremely high expectations from Richardson as should all of you since you're saying that Richardson had to beat 9 men every run. Well Luck should take the pressure off him... 

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

also, im not saying that TRich was better than Morris/Martin, but I don't think there's any question that he has the higher ceiling.

why not? Martin is faster, better catcher, and even seemed to run with more power. Honestly, how can you say there is no question that Richardson has the higher ceiling? Is it just because he was taken #3?

[Dustin]

no he is not. Better receiver especially since he has an awful qb (argument goes both ways), and a much better blocker than the notoriously mediocre at blocking clark. Fact is Morris performed (although i think hes a product of the system) and Martin is just flat out better than Richardson at this point in their careers.I have extremely high expectations from Richardson as should all of you since you're saying that Richardson had to beat 9 men every run. Well Luck should take the pressure off him...

ben Watson couldn't block me on twitter.

clark isn't good at it, but Watson is just bad. Not sure why you think he's a better blocker.

[Dustin]

why not? Martin is faster, better catcher, and even seemed to run with more power. Honestly, how can you say there is no question that Richardson has the higher ceiling? Is it just because he was taken #3?

Richardson is more powerul, elusive, bigger, better balance, body control, and acceleration.

I don't know why you think he's a better receiver. Richardson is one of the best receiving backs in the league.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Richardson is more powerul, elusive, bigger, better balance, body control, and acceleration.

I don't know why you think he's a better receiver. Richardson is one of the best receiving backs in the league.

He is a better receiver because he accrues more yards through the air than Richardson, very simple logic actually. How can you say any of those things when you don't study the Browns, and the fact that Martin was a much better runner in 2012? Richardson has the best tackle on his team, and one of the best centers on his line as well. Quite frankly he under-performed. But i have high hopes for him and expectations as a colts fan.

 

EDIT: Hes also better at getting first downs, less fumbles in more carries even, and much better at breaking the long run. Richardson's longest run was like 30 yards.  

[Albaby]

I am a Trent Richardson fan!

When he sings "when a man loves a woman".....

it does get any better than that!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Am I on the right page?

 

jk

 

This was an unexpected piece of news.  I have mixed emotions about it, but it's exciting none the less!  I do think he's a very good RB.  btw

[Dustin]

He is a better receiver because he accrues more yards through the air than Richardson, very simple logic actually. 

 

This doesn't take into account how each player was used in their respective offenses. 

 

Martin lined up in the slot a fair amount of times and Richardson's catches were mostly screen passes.

 

Richardson forced 6 more missed tackles on 2 more receptions and they basically had the same YAC.

 

 

How can you say any of those things when you don't study the Browns

 

Implying I didn't? I watched almost every single game of last season over the off-season. 

 

This is also rich coming from the guy who said that Ben Watson was good.

 

 

and the fact that Martin was a much better runner in 2012?

 

I already said Martin had a better season, but TRich has the higher ceiling.

 

How can you say any of those things when you don't study the Browns, and the fact that Martin was a much better runner in 2012? Richardson has the best tackle on his team, and one of the best centers on his line as well. Quite frankly he under-performed. But i have high hopes for him and expectations as a colts fan.

 

Joe Thomas isn't a good run-blocker. I'm sure you know this though thanks to your many hours of studying the Browns and their star TE Ben Watson.

 

I agree he did under-perform. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But his YPC is on par with many first round RBs that had to carry 70%+ of their teams carries.

 

source:  http://www.footballperspective.com/why-trent-richardsons-3-6-ypc-average-does-not-matter/

 

 

EDIT: Hes also better at getting first downs, less fumbles in more carries even, and much better at breaking the long run. Richardson's longest run was like 30 yards.  

 

You may find this hard to believe, but it's hard to run with broken ribs. And considering he didn't get many long runs, it gives more context to his YPC.

[Indy005]

He is a better receiver because he accrues more yards through the air than Richardson, very simple logic actually. How can you say any of those things when you don't study the Browns, and the fact that Martin was a much better runner in 2012? Richardson has the best tackle on his team, and one of the best centers on his line as well. Quite frankly he under-performed. But i have high hopes for him and expectations as a colts fan.

 

EDIT: Hes also better at getting first downs, less fumbles in more carries even, and much better at breaking the long run. Richardson's longest run was like 30 yards.  

 

I can give you the center a bit but how does having the best pass blocking left tackle help Richardson as a running back?

 

You do realize he broke the rookie rush record of Jim Brown in Cleveland.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

This doesn't take into account how each player was used in their respective offenses. 

 

Martin lined up in the slot a fair amount of times and Richardson's catches were mostly screen passes.

 

Richardson forced 6 more missed tackles on 2 more receptions and they basically had the same YAC.

 

 

 

Implying I didn't? I watched almost every single game of last season over the off-season. 

 

This is also rich coming from the guy who said that Ben Watson was good.

 

 

 

I already said Martin had a better season, but TRich has the higher ceiling.

 

 

Joe Thomas isn't a good run-blocker. I'm sure you know this though thanks to your many hours of studying the Browns and their star TE Ben Watson.

 

I agree he did under-perform. I never claimed anything to the contrary. But his YPC is on par with many first round RBs that had to carry 70%+ of their teams carries.

 

source:  http://www.footballperspective.com/why-trent-richardsons-3-6-ypc-average-does-not-matter/

 

 

 

You may find this hard to believe, but it's hard to run with broken ribs. And considering he didn't get many long runs, it gives more context to his YPC.

He shouldn't have been running than if broken ribs screwed him that bad. Ben Watson is good, i don't know why you think to the contrary in fact show me some statistic proving otherwise that he is worse than clark in any way. Once again how does T RIch have a higher ceiling if Martin outperformed him in virtually every statistic barring missed tackles and probably pass blocking which can be learned as many like to say here. I think you guys are just arguing for the sake of arguing here. 1 receiver can have 1,500 yards, the other 600 with 6 more missed tackles but according to this logic one has a higher ceiling just because he forced 6 more missed tackles on less receptions. Im done here for the night.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

I can give you the center a bit but how does having the best pass blocking left tackle help Richardson as a running back?

 

You do realize he broke the rookie rush record of Jim Brown in Cleveland.

only 900 yards is the rookie record? Not very impressive, and just because you break a rookie record doesn't mean you're going to be better than Jim brown. In fact im pretty sure if ballard started 15 games and got all the carries like RIchardson he probably would have broken 900 yards even with this * oline.

[Dustin]

He shouldn't have been running than if broken ribs screwed him that bad. Ben Watson is good, i don't know why you think to the contrary in fact show me some statistic proving otherwise that he is worse than clark in any way. 

 

Nah.

 

Once again how does T RIch have a higher ceiling if Martin outperformed him in virtually every statistic barring missed tackles and probably pass blocking which can be learned as many like to say here.

 

Because he's physically better. He's more elusive, bigger, more power, better acceleration, better balance, better body control.

 

 

1 receiver can have 1,500 yards, the other 600 with 6 more missed tackles but according to this logic one has a higher ceiling just because he forced 6 more missed tackles on less receptions. Im done here for the night.

 

 

Do you know what ceiling means? I think we're having a communication problem here.

 

Ceiling=Potential

 

There's a reason TRich was considered the best RB since AP.

 

It's because he has ridiculous measuarable and intangibles. 

[Indy005]

only 900 yards is the rookie record? Not very impressive, and just because you break a rookie record doesn't mean you're going to be better than Jim brown. In fact im pretty sure if ballard started 15 games and got all the carries like RIchardson he probably would have broken 900 yards even with this * oline.

 

Its the Cleveland Browns rookie record.

 

All Im saying is that you cant judge a player purely based on stats.

 

As Dustin has stated, watching the game helps quite a bit.

 

There is a reason so many Browns fans are completely p*****. 

 

If youre going to base it purely on stats, you might as well say RG III was better than Luck last year.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Nah.

 

 

Because he's physically better. He's more elusive, bigger, more power, better acceleration, better balance, better body control.

 

 

 

 

Do you know what ceiling means? I think we're having a communication problem here.

 

Ceiling=Potential

 

There's a reason TRich was considered the best RB since AP.

 

It's because he has ridiculous measuarable and intangibles.

There is No communicating error. There is zero proof Richardson has a higher "ceiling" look production>potential in this league. Many players cone in with high potential and fault, others come in and just produce. The fact you can't provide any stat proves to me you are talking out your bum.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

i usually completely agree with you but honestly man/mam(?) you have to give credit where credit is due. Sure you can use the stacked box excuse all you want but production in this case should win out in both cases for Morris and Muscle hamster(martin). Give credit where credit is due. How about we just say that all 3 are speciall talents/

Yeah...I think Morris is a talented player but I think his numbers were inflated by the scheme he was playing in Washington...and I think Richardson and Martin are very similar players, but I still think Richardson is a different level of talent.  I know the stats don't back up my thesis, but I would take Richardson every day of the week if the price was the same for all 3.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Its the Cleveland Browns rookie record.

 

All Im saying is that you cant judge a player purely based on stats.

 

As Dustin has stated, watching the game helps quite a bit.

 

There is a reason so many Browns fans are completely p*****. 

 

If youre going to base it purely on stats, you might as well say RG III was better than Luck last year.

I agree. I think Richardson is good and will be good but I Aldo think Martin is a great player who came out and proved something lastcyear. I watch the game of football alot with sundaycticket... production>"potential"/stats. I'd say lucky had a beyyer year production wise and stat wise than rg3 as he is a qb who's main job is to throw and win.

[Dustin]

There is No communicating error. There is zero proof Richardson has a higher "ceiling" look production>potential in this league. 

 

omg dude. Of course production is better than potential. I'm not an *.

 

If you think there is "zero proof" that he has a higher ceiling than we can just agree to disagree.

 

 The fact you can't provide any stat proves to me you are talking out your bum.

 

You want me to provide a stat on blocking? 

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

Yeah...I think Morris is a talented player but I think his numbers were inflated by the scheme he was playing in Washington...and I think Richardson and Martin are very similar players, but I still think Richardson is a different level of talent.  I know the stats don't back up my thesis, but I would take Richardson every day of the week if the price was the same for all 3.

I think you're right about Morris. I also respect that you believe What you believe and dont argue with me when you don't have anything to prove your belief. Some people here should do the same.

[Dustin]

I think you're right about Morris. I also respect that you believe What you believe and dont argue with me when you don't have anything to prove your belief. Some people here should do the same.

 

lol wow passive aggressive much?

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

omg dude. Of course production is better than potential. I'm not an *.

 

If you think there is "zero proof" that he has a higher ceiling than we can just agree to disagree.

 

 

You want me to provide a stat on blocking? 

Than acknowledge that last year 1 back got the job done and the other did not. Id honestly like to see some numerical values proving anything about a ceiling. You cant just say "oh he has better accelration, bigger size etc" especially when Trent is only 2lbs heavier than Martin and the same height.

The only thing I concede is that Martin is 2 years older than Richards.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

I think you're right about Morris. I also respect that you believe What you believe and dont argue with me when you don't have anything to prove your belief. Some people here should do the same.

Yeah man, we're all on the same team right? (Well most of us)...I wasn't taking anything away from the other RB's, they are great players, but there is a reason Richardson went 3rd overall.  Even if people think that was a reach at #3 (which he was) he was still a lock for the top 15 in a more reasonable draft.  And if this was 10-15 years ago Richardson would have gone 1st overall in any draft without Luck or Peyton in it.

[Gabriel Alexander Morillo]

lol wow passive aggressive much?

No I respect him. He has a strong belief/gut feeling that he can't necessarily prove so he doesn't really argue about it. I'm the same way way about certain things like religion.