The TD that was taken away by the illegal shift

[DalTXColtsFan]

Good call?  Bad call?  The announcers seem to think Reggie didn't have to be set if he was in motion and nobody else was moving.

[CheezyColt]

I was watching the game in a bar that didn't have sound on for this game.  I was wondering this as well.  Good call?  Bad call?  Either way, the momentum shifted this play. (As well as Coby Fleener's)

[Dustin]

Awful call. 

[Maniq]

There's a lot of talk about it in another thread.

 

Awful call. 

[jameszeigler834]

Terrible call. 3 more sacks given up too and now Donald Thomas gone for the year that stinks.

[Zachris]

Terrible call. 3 more sacks given up too and now Donald Thomas gone for the year that stinks.

 

Giving up 3 sacks to the Dolphins is actually pretty good, with how good that team is at rushing the passer.

[hawkeyes]

Horrible call !!!

 

I also think the review that took a catch away from us on the goal line was a horrible over turn!    I seen several different views and although I could see the ball move I never seen it hit the ground.   If you do not actually see the ball hit the ground how in the world could it be considered conclusive merely seeing the ball move?

[HtownColt]

@MikePereira: regarding IND illegal shift... 87 never came set. He went in motion before setting - foul every time.

He is the Former Vice President of officiating

[ReMeDy]

What does setting mean anyway? So once the receiver has stood still for, what, 1 sec, then he can be in motion without penalty?

[jameszeigler834]

Giving up 3 sacks to the Dolphins is actually pretty good, with how good that team is at rushing the passer.

Ya but 7 sacks given up it 2 games is horrible.

[GoColts8818]

I thought it was bad because I thought he was in motion which is legal.  However Lamey said after the game the officials got the call right and there is no bigger homer in the media than Bob Lamey

[Zachris]

Ya but 7 sacks given up it 2 games is horrible.

 

I think giving up 4 sacks to Oakland was bad last week.  I think they fixed things this week and it is getting better.  This is a lot of new linemen in a new system, give it time.  You can't fix everything in one or two games. 

[pgt_rob]

No Colts fan is going to say it was a good call. He was in motion very SLIGHTLY. I would say the refs were being overly picky on Wayne.

[jemack]

1st Wayne wasn't set when the ball was snapped. He turned to the LOS with a skip for some reason as the ball was snapped. 2nd There was 6 secs left on the snap clock. Plenty of time for Luck to make sure wayne was set and he didn't.

It could have gone either way. But if the 'phins were called for the same thing, we'd be saying what a great call the Refs made.

[Moose Of Woe]

Gave up 3, Luck stayed on his feet a few times that could have easily added a couple more to it.

[Jason_]

@MikePereira: regarding IND illegal shift... 87 never came set. He went in motion before setting - foul every time.

He is the Former Vice President of officiating

 

Well now that makes sense.

[BOTT]

@MikePereira: regarding IND illegal shift... 87 never came set. He went in motion before setting - foul every time.

He is the Former Vice President of officiating

Damn, there goes my excuse! Oh well, Dolphins may very well be a playoff team.

[chrisfarley]

What does setting mean anyway? So once the receiver has stood still for, what, 1 sec, then he can be in motion without penalty?

that's right.  even the man in motion has to stop and set briefly and he never did.  I think Reggie just didn't want Fleener to get another TD catch and upstage him...

[BOTT]

1st Wayne wasn't set when the ball was snapped. He turned to the LOS with a skip for some reason as the ball was snapped. 2nd There was 6 secs left on the snap clock. Plenty of time for Luck to make sure wayne was set and he didn't.

It could have gone either way. But if the 'phins were called for the same thing, we'd be saying what a great call the Refs made.

No, I woulda looked my buddy a gave him the "we got lucky" look lol

[Jason_]

that's right.  even the man in motion has to stop and set briefly and he never did.  I think Reggie just didn't want Fleener to get another TD catch and upstage him...

 

A player can be in motion at the snap of the ball, but he has to be have set before going in motion.  That's what didn't happen.  If Reggie had been set prior to going in motion then there wouldn't have been a penalty.  My understanding anyway.

[jemack]

Wayne turned to the LOS just before the snap.  I beleive Luck just wanted him to line up on the left side. If he had been in motion, he would have been facing the sideline at the snap. He was set on the right side for a mili second before the adjustment. Peculiar, to say the least

[Le Neon]

Unusually lazy or absent minded play by Wayne. Not one he's likely to make again. Was the right call.

[Stephen]

I have dolphins to beat pats this year anyway I just didn't want us losing to them going to 49ers but everything the hard way. Hopefully we get to bye 4-3 or better and not 2-5.

[dw49]

Yea.. i thought it was a penalty and I also think the over turn at the goal line was correct. The ball pretty much had to be on the ground and I believe one angle pretty much showed it. What was missed was an obvious late hit in the first drive and PI on Wahlen on he last drive. It would have taken a pair of stones to call that bad looking play to Whalen on 3rd down PI and give us the 1st down but it was PI and should have been called.

[oldunclemark]

Good call?  Bad call?  The announcers seem to think Reggie didn't have to be set if he was in motion and nobody else was moving.

They blew it....He was not moving forward at all..

 

Crucial moment of the game

[oldunclemark]

A player can be in motion at the snap of the ball, but he has to be have set before going in motion.  That's what didn't happen.  If Reggie had been set prior to going in motion then there wouldn't have been a penalty.  My understanding anyway.

I thought a player cant be moving forward at the snap..any other motion not by an interior lineman is OK as long as here is only one man in motion at the time.

 

The ref thought he saw something he didnt

[oldunclemark]

that's right.  even the man in motion has to stop and set briefly and he never did.  I think Reggie just didn't want Fleener to get another TD catch and upstage him...

when you exit the huddle and come to the line initially you are set..there is no set time you must be set.

[Jason_]

I thought a player cant be moving forward at the snap..any other motion not by an interior lineman is OK as long as here is only one man in motion at the time.

 

The ref thought he saw something he didnt

 

Mike Pereira disagrees with you.  Players must be set for a full second.  If a player goes in motion then he either has to be set for a full second before going in motion, or go in motion and then set for one full second before the ball is snapped.  According to Pereira, Wayne was not set before he went in motion.  If he had been set before going into motion then there would not have been a penalty.  

 

 

@MikePereira: regarding IND illegal shift... 87 never came set. He went in motion before setting - foul every time.

He is the Former Vice President of officiating

[Jason_]

when you exit the huddle and come to the line initially you are set..there is no set time you must be set.

 

you are incorrect: 

 

http://www.nfl.com/rulebook/positionofplayers

 

After a shift or huddle all players on offensive team must come to an absolute stop for at least one second with no movement of hands, feet, head, or swaying of body

[BOTT]

Correct call, but that is some ticky tac crap. They will call stuff like that, but a defensive lineman has to be mugged to get a holding call.

[Andy]

As much as I hate to say it, that was the right call. Reggie didn't stop and get set, it was sort of a lazy way of trying to stop and that doesn't work.

 

Those little differences make all the difference. Luck huts the ball a quarter of a second later and it's a tie game.

[BOTT]

As much as I hate to say it, that was the right call. Reggie didn't stop and get set, it was sort of a lazy way of trying to stop and that doesn't work.

 

Those little differences make all the difference. Luck huts the ball a quarter of a second later and it's a tie game.

Yes, it's great the old turkey necks see the violations that have zero bearing on the game, but league wide they miss blatant, potentially game changing penalties.

[GoColts8818]

Wayne said on sports locker it was motion and expects to get a formal I am sorry letter from the league this week.  Take that for what it's worth.

[hawkeyes]

Wayne said on sports locker it was motion and expects to get a formal I am sorry letter from the league this week.  Take that for what it's worth.

 

He has done the exact same thing for years - the league can stick their letter - too little too late!

[Le Neon]

Whatever he's done over the years, it looked to me like he forgot to set.  Which was a very costly error.