OMG McGlynn

[Phil J]

Seriously? How is this guy still employed? We know his performance from last year, but miraculously has gotten worse. Dude is gonna get our boy killed.

[Phil J]

Just because we are thin behind him right now is not a fantastic excuse.

[BOTT]

I thought he was better than Seth Olsen....I could be wrong. He looked so horrible on Luck's long scramble and Hassleback's INT.....embarrassing

[MTC]

Well, we have no one better sadly. 

[GoColts8818]

They tried Link over him to start the game, he wasn't any better.  I think the sad truth is as much as fans don't want to admit it is that we don't have a better option at the moment.  It's clear the Colts aren't afraid to try one if it's there.  I think Thornton is going to be that guy in time but I wouldn't expect him to walk in and be the "answer" right away especially with him missing all of camp.  I know people want the line fixed this year but it's not going to happen.  Grigson elected to take a long term approach to fixing the line doing it with younger guys who can grow and develop together.  What we are looking for this year is progress. 

[Dustin]

Dude is horrendous. There HAS to be somebody on the free agent market.

 

Brain Waters is still available right?

[chad72]

Maybe I am wrong but I thought that guy Cleary held his own. Anyone else felt that way?

[chad72]

Dude is horrendous. There HAS to be somebody on the free agent market.

 

Brain Waters is still available right?

 

Yes, he is. He said if the situation is right, he will play.

 

We may need a 1 year stop gap option with Brian Waters or maybe Leonard Davis???

[GoColts8818]

Maybe I am wrong but I thought that guy Cleary held his own. Anyone else felt that way?

Not really, I thought he did alright against the Giants back ups and third stringers.  He would have to step up his game in a big way to be able to handle starters at the NFL level.  Frankly the best bet to replace McGlynn at this point is Thornton and that's probably going to take a little time not only to get him healthy but to get him up to NFL speed. 

[BOTT]

Dude is horrendous. There HAS to be somebody on the free agent market.

 

Brain Waters is still available right?

Panthers released Hangartner about a week ago.....hard to believe he could be worse

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Maybe I am wrong but I thought that guy Cleary held his own. Anyone else felt that way?

Yeah. I was watching Cleary.  He looked solid. 

[unitaswestand]

I know we don't see what the coaches see, but it is odd to understand why McGlynn is a starter.  And Ijalana barely gets to play.  I know they play different positions.  But just odd.

[Boiler_Colt]

He must have the secret Jim Irsay videotape that several other forum whipping boys in the past must have had. He is terrible

[Superman]

He must have the secret Jim Irsay videotape that several other forum whipping boys in the past must have had. He is terrible

 

Maybe Linkenbach gave him a copy.

 

In all seriousness, McGlynn was terrible today.

[BOTT]

I know we don't see what the coaches see, but it is odd to understand why McGlynn is a starter.  And Ijalana barely gets to play.  I know they play different positions.  But just odd.

Unfortunately, Ijalana is basically a rookie....he could look awful for all we know. God, I hope someone steps up.

[GoodLuck]

All I know is Chapman takes up 2 blockers whenever he's in the gm and the starting NT got pancaked bad on a run by Wilson to start tge gm. TY consistently outplays every WR, but cant even be recognized as the #2 wr. For whatever reason, it's a few positions where the best man is on the bench.

[GwinnettColt]

I would have thought they'd have replaced him by now, also.  Can Reitz play on the other side?  He wouldn't be worse.

 

I'm worried about Center (Satele) also.  They should have kept Shipley.

 

I think the Tackles are adequate and D. Thomas has done ok.  The weakest part of the line is in the middle/right

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

All I know is Chapman takes up 2 blockers whenever he's in the gm and the starting NT got pancaked bad on a run by Wilson to start tge gm. TY consistently outplays every WR, but cant even be recognized as the #2 wr. For whatever reason, it's a few positions where the best man is on the bench.

I think they are still bringing Chap along slowly, this was only his second ever game.  You have to understand the concept of the receiver position. TY should never be considered a number 2, even if he becomes the greatest receiver of the planet, he is best utilized against mismatches.  If he goes outside the mismatch will follow him, or DHB and Wayne can reak havoc in the slot if they move to cover Hilton with proper coverage.  You don't just put Hilton as a number 2 because he is better than DHB, which I believe he is.  The number you put on the WR doesn't mean anything if you move guys around like the Colts do these days.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Maybe Linkenbach gave him a copy.

 

In all seriousness, McGlynn was terrible today.

I'm hoping Thornton gets healthy enough to at least play a little before the season starts.  Heck, maybe even Holmes would be an upgrade at guard right now.  The good news is the rest of the line looks solid, if we can fix the RG spot, and eventually the C spot, this line does have alot of upside.

[GoodLuck]

I think they are still bringing Chap along slowly, this was only his second ever game. You have to understand the concept of the receiver position. TY should never be considered a number 2, even if he becomes the greatest receiver of the planet, he is best utilized against mismatches. If he goes outside the mismatch will follow him, or DHB and Wayne can reak havoc in the slot if they move to cover Hilton with proper coverage. You don't just put Hilton as a number 2 because he is better than DHB, which I believe he is. The number you put on the WR doesn't mean anything if you move guys around like the Colts do these days.

TY Hilton has potential to be a #1 wr. With his speed alone, he can be just as good if not better than Mike Wallace. Basically if this organization doesnt view him as a potential dominant WR, another team will and pay him accordingly. With the rules now, every db on him is a mismatch. You cant touch him.

Whenever there is only 2wrs on the field, TY should be one of the 2 wrs.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

 

 

TY Hilton has potential to be a #1 wr. With his speed alone, he can be just as good if not better than MikeMike Wallace. Basically if this organization dont view him as a potential dominant WR, another team will and pay him accordingly. With the rules now, every db on him is a mismatch. You cant touch him.

You are not understanding the concept of #1 WR vs. a 2 or 3 so I'm not going to argue with you...And no Mike Wallace is not a number one, and don't let the Dolphins convince you otherwise.

[GoodLuck]

You are not understanding the concept of #1 WR vs. a 2 or 3 so I'm not going to argue with you...And no Mike Wallace is not a number one, and don't let the Dolphins convince you otherwise.

Dude, I understand the concept very well. And I'm sure TY and his agent understands the concept.

The point was, another team will view TY as a number 1 or 2, and will pay him like one Might as well treat him like he deserves. He is becoming too productive to just be considered some x factor.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Dude, I understand the concept very well. And I'm sure TY and his agent understands the concept.

The point was, another team will view TY as a number 1 or 2, and will pay him like one Might as well treat him like he deserves. He is becoming too productive to just be considered some x factor.

Explain to me then what constitutes a number 1.  Most receptions? Lines up on the outside? Gets his name at top of depth chart?  On the field for most snaps? What is it?

[coltsfanmilyman]

Explain to me then what constitutes a number 1.  Most receptions? Lines up on the outside? Gets his name at top of depth chart?  On the field for most snaps? What is it?

Do not feed the troll!!!!!!

Dude, I understand the concept very well. And I'm sure TY and his agent understands the concept.

The point was, another team will view TY as a number 1 or 2, and will pay him like one Might as well treat him like he deserves. He is becoming too productive to just be considered some x factor.

[GoodLuck]

Explain to me then what constitutes a number 1. Most receptions? Lines up on the outside? Gets his name at top of depth chart? On the field for most snaps? What is it?

Pep Hamilton seems to want to run 2 wr/2 te sets. Whenever they're 2 wrs on the field, TY Hilton should be the 2nd wr. Not difficult. The gameplan every wk should be to get the ball into TY's hands as much, if not more than Reggie. DHB should be the specialist/Reggie's backup. He cant play tge slot, but do sone gadget things with him. WR screens, the occasional deep ball. Whatever.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Dude, I understand the concept very well. And I'm sure TY and his agent understands the concept.

The point was, another team will view TY as a number 1 or 2, and will pay him like one Might as well treat him like he deserves. He is becoming too productive to just be considered some x factor.

 

Do not feed the troll!!!!!!

[GoodLuck]

Do not feed the troll!!!!!!

Witty. Keep up the good work.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Pep Hamilton seems to want to run 2 wr/2 te sets. Whenever they're 2 wrs on the field, TY Hilton should be the 2nd wr. Not difficult. The gameplan every wk should be to get the ball into TY's hands as much, if not more than Reggie. DHB should be the specialist/Reggie's backup. He cant play tge slot, but do sone gadget things with him. WR screens, the occasional deep ball. Whatever.

But calling him a number 3 does not mean he won't be on the field more that the number 2.  That's not how it works.  It's all how the coaches manage the rotation and what the play selection is.  

[Superman]

Explain to me then what constitutes a number 1.  Most receptions? Lines up on the outside? Gets his name at top of depth chart?  On the field for most snaps? What is it?

 

To me, it's the guy at the top of the depth chart, who leads his team in production, and who can be counted on to make big plays at important spots in the game. The opposing defense treats him like the biggest receiving threat in the game, and he still consistently produces. Because of his dependability, he's likely to have more snaps than any other receiver, and probably more targets.

 

I don't care where he lines up; today's offenses usually move receivers around anyways, inside and outside, left and right. And I don't really care about his size or speed. He produces, plain and simple.

 

It's a little trickier when you're talking about a #2 or #3 guy, because usually those guys are different receivers entirely, and they play different roles on the team. Again, it's not really about where they line up; Welker is a slot guy, but he was obviously the #2 guy for the Pats when Moss was there.

 

As it pertains to Hilton, so far, he looks a lot more like Marvin Harrison than a guy who would be pigeon-holed as a slot receiver. His size is a limitation, but he still gets behind defenders and makes plays, and he has great footwork along the sideline. Hands are improving as well, and if he continues to trend upward, he is going to demand more and more attention from defenses. He isn't your prototypical #1 receiver, and I'm not saying he'll ever be considered that. But if he produces, and if he continues to show his versatility in a pro offense, then it will be increasingly silly to continue to try to view his role through some narrow lens. 

[GoColts8818]

Pep Hamilton seems to want to run 2 wr/2 te sets. Whenever they're 2 wrs on the field, TY Hilton should be the 2nd wr. Not difficult. The gameplan every wk should be to get the ball into TY's hands as much, if not more than Reggie. DHB should be the specialist/Reggie's backup. He cant play tge slot, but do sone gadget things with him. WR screens, the occasional deep ball. Whatever.

I'd agree with the idea we need to get the ball into TY hand's as much as we can however, we saw tonight why he goes to the slot when DHB is in the game.  DHB is simply bigger while Hilton in the slot often get's either a third corner match up or a safety and with his speed he can blow by them and sets you up for a chance at a big play.  People get too wrapped up in the idea that if a guy is in the slot he's the third option on the play.  That's not always the case.  Often times it's because you get a better match up there.  Having DHB on the outside let's us move Hilton to the slot to take advantage of those match ups when we get them.  I would like to see more of Hilton in the two WR set but I haven't seen anything from DHB to suggest he's a problem out there.  He caught four passes tonight and was productive while doing it.  No he didn't have the big home run play like Hilton did but he wasn't bad either. 

[coltsfanmilyman]

Pep Hamilton seems to want to run 2 wr/2 te sets. Whenever they're 2 wrs on the field, TY Hilton should be the 2nd wr. Not difficult. The gameplan every wk should be to get the ball into TY's hands as much, if not more than Reggie. DHB should be the specialist/Reggie's backup. He cant play tge slot, but do sone gadget things with him. WR screens, the occasional deep ball. Whatever.

 

Witty. Keep up the good work.

Witty, no bro.  Your doing a fine job of that.  Matter of fact your above comments are down right hilarious.  Your really good at this comedy thing, seems like you got coaching under wraps too.  Good job!  SMH

[GoodLuck]

To me, it's the guy at the top of the depth chart, who leads his team in production, and who can be counted on to make big plays at important spots in the game. The opposing defense treats him like the biggest receiving threat in the game, and he still consistently produces. Because of his dependability, he's likely to have more snaps than any other receiver, and probably more targets.

I don't care where he lines up; today's offenses usually move receivers around anyways, inside and outside, left and right. And I don't really care about his size or speed. He produces, plain and simple.

It's a little trickier when you're talking about a #2 or #3 guy, because usually those guys are different receivers entirely, and they play different roles on the team. Again, it's not really about where they line up; Welker is a slot guy, but he was obviously the #2 guy for the Pats when Moss was there.

As it pertains to Hilton, so far, he looks a lot more like Marvin Harrison than a guy who would be pigeon-holed as a slot receiver. His size is a limitation, but he still gets behind defenders and makes plays, and he has great footwork along the sideline. Hands are improving as well, and if he continues to trend upward, he is going to demand more and more attention from defenses. He isn't your prototypical #1 receiver, and I'm not saying he'll ever be considered that. But if he produces, and if he continues to show his versatility in a pro offense, then it will be increasingly silly to continue to try to view his role through some narrow lens.

This is a great post.

And I'd bet TY wants that recognition from the team as well. He has to be wondering what more he has to do. People act as if he can't play outside, but that where he's doing most of his damagae so far. He's at least a better version of Santana Moss or Lee Evans. Hopefully he keepa getting better

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

To me, it's the guy at the top of the depth chart, who leads his team in production, and who can be counted on to make big plays at important spots in the game. The opposing defense treats him like the biggest receiving threat in the game, and he still consistently produces. Because of his dependability, he's likely to have more snaps than any other receiver, and probably more targets.

 

I don't care where he lines up; today's offenses usually move receivers around anyways, inside and outside, left and right. And I don't really care about his size or speed. He produces, plain and simple.

 

It's a little trickier when you're talking about a #2 or #3 guy, because usually those guys are different receivers entirely, and they play different roles on the team. Again, it's not really about where they line up; Welker is a slot guy, but he was obviously the #2 guy for the Pats when Moss was there.

 

As it pertains to Hilton, so far, he looks a lot more like Marvin Harrison than a guy who would be pigeon-holed as a slot receiver. His size is a limitation, but he still gets behind defenders and makes plays, and he has great footwork along the sideline. Hands are improving as well, and if he continues to trend upward, he is going to demand more and more attention from defenses. He isn't your prototypical #1 receiver, and I'm not saying he'll ever be considered that. But if he produces, and if he continues to show his versatility in a pro offense, then it will be increasingly silly to continue to try to view his role through some narrow lens. 

Absolutely brilliant...almost word for word my exact view on the subject.  I'm not arguing if Hilton is worthy on number 2 status or even number one, I'm saying any team in the league would use him all over the field because that is the player he is.  And it's not all over the field in terms of where he lines up but where he can take advantage of the coverage teams use on him.  No team will be able to put their best corner on Hilton, because if they do, DHB and Wayne will have a field day.

[GoodLuck]

I'd agree with the idea we need to get the ball into TY hand's as much as we can however, we saw tonight why he goes to the slot when DHB is in the game. DHB is simply bigger while Hilton in the slot often get's either a third corner match up or a safety and with his speed he can blow by them and sets you up for a chance at a big play. People get too wrapped up in the idea that if a guy is in the slot he's the third option on the play. That's not always the case. Often times it's because you get a better match up there. Having DHB on the outside let's us move Hilton to the slot to take advantage of those match ups when we get them. I would like to see more of Hilton in the two WR set but I haven't seen anything from DHB to suggest he's a problem out there. He caught four passes tonight and was productive while doing it. No he didn't have the big home run play like Hilton did but he wasn't bad either.

I love the 3wr sets with him im the slot. I have no issue with that. Also think TY can go outside and Reggie inside in that formation. Especially with Allen out. But again, if they're in a 2 wr formation, imo TY should be the 2nd wr.

[GoColts8818]

I love the 3wr sets with him im the slot. I have no issue with that. Also think TY can go outside and Reggie inside in that formation. Especially with Allen out. But again, if they're in a 2 wr formation, imo TY should be the 2nd wr.

Based on what I've seen in two pre-season games I think we'll see a little of both TY and DHB on the outside in two WR sets as the season goes along.  Pep doesn't look like a guy who is afraid to try different looks to confuse a defense.  Heck we might even get some plays with TY and DHB out there together in two wide sets just to give the defense a different look. 

[Superman]

But calling him a number 3 does not mean he won't be on the field more that the number 2.  That's not how it works.  It's all how the coaches manage the rotation and what the play selection is.  

 

Then why give them numbers? If #3 comes before #2 in terms of impact, then what are we doing?

 

It is mostly about the coaches managing the rotation and calling plays, but I don't think the coaches label their receivers by numbers in this manner. It just doesn't make sense.

 

If you want to label them, call DHB the X receiver. That's his role, and that's about all he's really capable of, I think. Reggie would be the Z, the possession guy, with high target numbers, who rarely leaves the field. I think we're going to use Hilton in both of those roles, plus he'll be the primary guy getting slot work (although I could see us using DHB and Hilton on the outside, with Reggie in the slot).

 

But it doesn't really make sense to label them #1, #2, and #3 if those numbers aren't really related to what's happening on the field.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

This is a great post.

And I'd bet TY wants that recognition from the team as well. He has to be wondering what more he has to do. People act as if he can't play outside, but that where he's doing most of his damagae so far. He's at least a better version of Santana Moss or Lee Evans. Hopefully he keepa getting better

Ty, as good as he is, won't be the nightmare he is now to teams if we didn't have wayne and dhb to worry about.  They can't double him, or they will pay for it on the other side.  Once people start paying real attention to Hilton, the rest of our weapons will reap the benefits. 

[Superman]

By the way, mod note: I just removed some unnecessary back and forth from this thread. I did so rather than closing it, because there's actually a discussion going on. But let's not derail it with back and forth bickering please. Thanks.

[GoodLuck]

One last thing, I think the team should be in 3wr sets the majority of the time. Trade Fleener(been saying this since he was drafted), and go to a 1 back system. Then all of the best players will be on the field.

[Guest TeamLoloJones]

Then why give them numbers? If #3 comes before #2 in terms of impact, then what are we doing?

 

It is mostly about the coaches managing the rotation and calling plays, but I don't think the coaches label their receivers by numbers in this manner. It just doesn't make sense.

 

If you want to label them, call DHB the X receiver. That's his role, and that's about all he's really capable of, I think. Reggie would be the Z, the possession guy, with high target numbers, who rarely leaves the field. I think we're going to use Hilton in both of those roles, plus he'll be the primary guy getting slot work (although I could see us using DHB and Hilton on the outside, with Reggie in the slot).

 

But it doesn't really make sense to label them #1, #2, and #3 if those numbers aren't really related to what's happening on the field.

Thank you...exactly.