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To be fair, isn't he doing most of his damage in more traditional 4 man fronts?

 

That's kind of been the point all along, though. We use multiple fronts; we're not just a 3-4 defense. So claiming that Nevis isn't a good fit was never a good line of reasoning. The defense is designed to put players in different situations as the need arises, and based on their particular abilities. 

 

And that makes a ton of sense when you have a high motor, high effort guy like Drake Nevis. You make him fit.

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All we need now are some UFAs named Marcus and Pompey and we can call them the Great Triumvirate. Hail Caesar!

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That's kind of been the point all along, though. We use multiple fronts; we're not just a 3-4 defense. So claiming that Nevis isn't a good fit was never a good line of reasoning. The defense is designed to put players in different situations as the need arises, and based on their particular abilities. 

 

And that makes a ton of sense when you have a high motor, high effort guy like Drake Nevis. You make him fit.

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I didn't mean for that to sound like he doesn't fit....just his strength is exactly how the Colts utilize him.

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All we need now are some UFAs named Marcus and Pompey and we can call them the Great Triumvirate. Hail Caesar!

As long as we don't get one named Brutus..

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I didn't mean for that to sound like he doesn't fit....just his strength is exactly how the Colts utilize him.

 

Yup, which is why I like the way the defensive front is used in this system. It's a hybrid front if there's ever been one, both in alignment and technique.

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Caeser  looked good along with Nevis vs the Giants. He showed great closing speed and uses his hands well to beat off blocks. At this point he's a lock to make the team but he and Sidbury will battle over backing up Walden. Nevis is clearly our best interior pass rusher should see him on the field on 3rd downs.

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I so badly want Drake Nevis in the starting line up. He is lighting it up and I feel would be better than Redding if given the chance and would be versatile to play 3 and 4 man fronts as a DL more than Redding.

 

Caesar definitely is a lock to be a back up for his position, IMO. 2nd string at minimum and in the 53 for sure.

you really think he'd fare better than Redding?

i just dont see us making Redding 2nd stringer...he is Chuck's boy, he provides leadeship, is vocal and knows the D.

i root for Nevis anyways so this is like hard for me :)

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you really think he'd fare better than Redding?

i just dont see us making Redding 2nd stringer...he is Chuck's boy, he provides leadeship, is vocal and knows the D.

i root for Nevis anyways so this is like hard for me :)

 

Redding is vocal and is a good leader but I do think Nevis is more versatile. I at least want them to try putting Nevis in with the starters at least for a pre-season game like the upcoming one vs the Browns or increase the number of snaps he gets vs first stringers.

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I think when people think of 3-4 they think automatically that the front 3 will ALWAYS be your run stoppers and your OLB's will always be your pass rushers, simply not the case, While certain principles of the 3-4 are the same, there are different variations of the 3-4 and we dont run a strictly 3-4 anyway, We run a Multiple Defense just like we wont run a strictly west coast offense, I look for it to be a Multiple Offense where ALL of our players that will be on the field on offense strengths will be utilized, that in my opinion is 1 extremely important key in good coaching, to affectively exploit not only the defense but to do it using your players strengths moreso then a strict guideline of play calls

 

I want to expand on your point, if I may.  (I guess if you say no it will be too late)

 

Most people picture a run stopper as that 350lb guy who, when double teamed, holds his ground and doesn't move until the dinner bell rings.  And that is one type and good to have.  But a guy like Nevis can do the same thing because he cannot consistently be blocked by one guy.  Nevis did get some snaps against the 1st first O and he was as disruptive as in those snaps.  The difference is the QBs and RBs did not know how to respond as well as the starters.

 

His greatest asset, IMO, is his active hands, it is near impossible for an olineman to engage him.  A lineman try to get a hand on him and he judo chops it away and then has such a great burst that he is by the guy before he can recover.

 

I don't know if he will (or should start) in front of Redding (I really like what Redding brings to the game) but he will see significant snaps this year.

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I love what Caesar Rayford has been doing.  He has been the most consistent pass rusher in the first two games.  Werner was better today to.

 

I agree. I think that Rayford will make the final 53. He is doing a very good job. 

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A lot of Rayford's success in that game should be attributed to Nevis. The holes were only available because Nevis did such a good job up front.

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In relation to the Nevis vs. Redding argument, keep in mind they are currently listed under two different positions on the depth chart. Whilst the positions are similiar there are also quite a few differences. Nevis could see a lot of time inside, especially when the RUSH OLB has his hand in the dirt.

 

It would be more comparable to talk Nevis vs. RJF.

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In relation to the Nevis vs. Redding argument, keep in mind they are currently listed under two different positions on the depth chart. Whilst the positions are similiar there are also quite a few differences. Nevis could see a lot of time inside, especially when the RUSH OLB has his hand in the dirt.

 

It would be more comparable to talk Nevis vs. RJF.

 

Agreed.

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Can somebody remind me where Caesar played college ball.  Was he one of our initial UFAs or did we grab him from the AFL. 

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Can somebody remind me where Caesar played college ball.  Was he one of our initial UFAs or did we grab him from the AFL. 

We got him from the AFL

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Can somebody remind me where Caesar played college ball.  Was he one of our initial UFAs or did we grab him from the AFL.

U of Washington

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In relation to the Nevis vs. Redding argument, keep in mind they are currently listed under two different positions on the depth chart. Whilst the positions are similiar there are also quite a few differences. Nevis could see a lot of time inside, especially when the RUSH OLB has his hand in the dirt.

 

It would be more comparable to talk Nevis vs. RJF.

 

You beat me to it. :)  I very much agree.  Redding, Guy and...someone else were listed as DE's whereas Matthews, Nevis, RJF and Hughes were listed as DT's.  I believe the DE typically lines up on the strong side and the DT on the weak side.

 

However, all that being said, I think Nevis' true value to us is when we go to the 4 man front in nickel and dime packages.  I don't think we'll see a whole lot of him in a 3 man front so that they can keep him fresh to rush the passer in a 4 man front.  

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You beat me to it. :)  I very much agree.  Redding, Guy and...someone else were listed as DE's whereas Matthews, Nevis, RJF and Hughes were listed as DT's.  I believe the DE typically lines up on the strong side and the DT on the weak side.

 

However, all that being said, I think Nevis' true value to us is when we go to the 4 man front in nickel and dime packages.  I don't think we'll see a whole lot of him in a 3 man front so that they can keep him fresh to rush the passer in a 4 man front.  

 

I agree, but if I am not mistaken he was in a 3-man front for much of the time that saw Rayford wreak havoc on the same side. Much of that was Nevis giving him space to attack.

 

I think Nevis could be a big player for us.

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I agree, but if I am not mistaken he was in a 3-man front for much of the time that saw Rayford wreak havoc on the same side. Much of that was Nevis giving him space to attack.

 

I think Nevis could be a big player for us.

Nevis wasn't what really made that play work, he was single blocked on that play and did not get penetration or at least enough to be considered real penetration (a couple steps and thats it)...What made that play work was 2 things

 

1.Rayfords effort on that play was great, to have the presence of mind to reach up and grab Carr by the leg after Rayford got taken was pure effort on that play

 

2.Just as important was the threat of a penetrator like Louiseau (probably spelled that wrong cause I forgot how to spell it) taking a few steps up acting like he was coming on the blitz(pre snap and peeling off as the ball was snapped) which in turn forced the running back to help out in case Louiseau came through  leaving Rayford one on one with the LT..End result...sack.....Rewatching the play it was Matthews with the penetration as well not Nevis

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I didn't mean for that to sound like he doesn't fit....just his strength is exactly how the Colts utilize him.

True, I think we will see multi formations a little like what Pagano had the Ravens playing as the DC there. 

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I have heard all this stuff about Werner has been unimpressive, not getting off the ball.  But he seems solid tonight.

 

But Rayford looked like Dwight Freeney tonight ;)

I am happy that Rayford got his sacks, but he looked completely lost to me in coverage or any time he wasn't sent straight at the QB (some of those times, he looked a little lost, too).  I think he needs a whole lot of work before I will 'Hail Caesar' but I guess he could make an impact on special teams and maybe as purely a rush specialist -- I just get a little terrified thinking about him having to come in as a back-up and be an every down LB.

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You need to remember Nevis and Rayford are playing against backup players, Werner runs with the first team. If Nevis could create this kind of impact against starters I would be highly impressed.

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He was mugged.  They're not calling holding at this point.

 

He and Nevis have shown they're better than the other team's 2s or 3s.  They need reps against the 1s now.

They don't want to call holding especially in the preseason to protect the QB's. But Freeney was held for years during the regular seasons. 

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I think when people think of 3-4 they think automatically that the front 3 will ALWAYS be your run stoppers and your OLB's will always be your pass rushers, simply not the case, While certain principles of the 3-4 are the same, there are different variations of the 3-4 and we dont run a strictly 3-4 anyway, We run a Multiple Defense just like we wont run a strictly west coast offense, I look for it to be a Multiple Offense where ALL of our players that will be on the field on offense strengths will be utilized, that in my opinion is 1 extremely important key in good coaching, to affectively exploit not only the defense but to do it using your players strengths moreso then a strict guideline of play calls

 

I remember my Jr. High Coach telling us that is what we should expect back in 68, using players to their strengths.

Ya, coach mentioned something about some hybrid thingy at his first presser as i am recalling. good stuff thanks.

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They don't want to call holding especially in the preseason to protect the QB's. But Freeney was held for years during the regular seasons.

Yep. It got to the point where he didn't even argue with the refs. Good point about preseason holding.

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