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Defense we need to give Manning or whoever is behind center a decent D

I see lots of posts about our need for defense. They are almost always about personnel. I feel we have good personnel. I see no real bumbs and plenty of speed and talent on our D. I think this is a scheme problem and a defensive philosophy problem. I think Colts fans want a 3-4, very aggressive, blitzing defensive that stops the run and makes plays similar to Ravens. We have the players to do that IMO. We play a cover 2. This defense is designed to give up plays underneath and allow the opposing team to march up and down the field and kick field goals. I really think this whole argument boils down to a difference in the fans vision of defense and the colts coordinators vision of defense. I would love to see a new defensive coordinator with a new philosophy on that side of the ball.

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we should trade down if we get 1st pick and get late 1st round and 2nd round and next years 1st round from them . This draft we need to draft some CB's.

lol. Luck is worth at least a 2012, 2013, 2014 1st round, and a 2012, 2013 2nd round at the very least. and even then i wouldn't trade for that for a once in a blue moon opportunity to get Peyton Manning 2.0. The only way i'd trade that #1 pick is if we got some other top defensive team's entire defense straight up.

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lol. Luck is worth at least a 2012, 2013, 2014 1st round, and a 2012, 2013 2nd round at the very least. and even then i wouldn't trade for that for a once in a blue moon opportunity to get Peyton Manning 2.0. The only way i'd trade that #1 pick is if we got some other top defensive team's entire defense straight up.

Including the DC and associate coaches! Too bad the Packers/Ravens/Steelers still have decent quarterbacks.

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I see lots of posts about our need for defense. They are almost always about personnel. I feel we have good personnel. I see no real bumbs and plenty of speed and talent on our D. I think this is a scheme problem and a defensive philosophy problem. I think Colts fans want a 3-4, very aggressive, blitzing defensive that stops the run and makes plays similar to Ravens. We have the players to do that IMO. We play a cover 2. This defense is designed to give up plays underneath and allow the opposing team to march up and down the field and kick field goals. I really think this whole argument boils down to a difference in the fans vision of defense and the colts coordinators vision of defense. I would love to see a new defensive coordinator with a new philosophy on that side of the ball.

Why would the Colts, or their fans, want that type of a defensive scheme when the entire NFL is becoming a spread-pass happy league that eats 3-4's for breakfast?

The scheme itself doesn't auto-do-better than another. It is the combined coaching and personnel running said scheme. We don't have a push from the NT spot, we don't have CB's that can cover their zone, and our DE's are typically a liability against the run because of their size and skill set. When we do have run-stopping DE's in play, opposing teams are just checking out of the run. We need a better front 4, period. Moala and Nevis were good starts, but now we need 3-down DE's who can play both the run and the pass. That's hard to find, and thus warrant high draft picks/FA splashes. The former is always the smarter choice among the two.

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Castonzo finished 3 years of clege football as a left tackle, however, and seemed to be marginally better there. Kalil is a superfluous pick.

I agree.I think our o-line is fine.We just need to stay healthy and put a unit on the field that will last longer than a couple of games.I think we've been making too many changes recently to our line(largely due to injuries,i know).But concerning the draft,we just have to go all out on the D side(with cousins thrown in somewhere).If we lose wayne this off season,then i see us making a bid for welker and moving collie to the outside.Regardless either he or mathis is gone next year.But on the brightside,we'll get some comp picks.

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I agree.I think our o-line is fine.We just need to stay healthy and put a unit on the field that will last longer than a couple of games.I think we've been making too many changes recently to our line(largely due to injuries,i know).But concerning the draft,we just have to go all out on the D side(with cousins thrown in somewhere).If we lose wayne this off season,then i see us making a bid for welker and moving collie to the outside.Regardless either he or mathis is gone next year.But on the brightside,we'll get some comp picks.

What? Why do we need Cousins? Why on Earth do we need Welker? Why on I guess Earth again do we move Collie to the outside when he is a slot receiver? And finally why on the 3rd planet from the sun can't we resign both Reggie Wayne and Robert Mathis?

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What? Why do we need Cousins? Why on Earth do we need Welker? Why on I guess Earth again do we move Collie to the outside when he is a slot receiver? And finally why on the 3rd planet from the sun can't we resign both Reggie Wayne and Robert Mathis?

Are you serious?We will lose one,if not both of those guys.They simply cost too much money and they're old.Would you be upset if we make a bid for welker?The reason that i feel we move collie to the outside is to prolong his career and limit the possiblity of concussions.I would like to retain painter,but i believe he'll want to start elsewhere,with a team that will give him that opportunity.The best choice for our future quarterback is to draft cousins and allow him to sit,watch,study and learn from manning.

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Are you serious?We will lose one,if not both of those guys.They simply cost too much money and they're old.Would you be upset if we make a bid for welker?The reason that i feel we move collie to the outside is to prolong his career and limit the possiblity of concussions.I would like to retain painter,but i believe he'll want to start elsewhere,with a team that will give him that opportunity.The best choice for our future quarterback is to draft cousins and allow him to sit,watch,study and learn from manning.

We can easlily resign both Wayne and Mathis... why do you think they let go of Kelvin Hayden? Use facts not guesses please in your analysis of what the players want or don't want.

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