Official Training Camp thread (mega merge)

[Jason_]

Not IMO he had some good years & he was a very good QB & thats it .

 

 

ok, i've got all i need  ;)

 

lol

[Superman]

Yes   I believe so & Swann & Stallworth

So what's the difference between Bradshaw and Marino?

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

When I first read escorted I wondered what rule he broke.

 

I thought for sure it was a snot bubble sighting ..

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

So what's the difference between Bradshaw and Marino?

 

I did'nt have to watch Bradshaw beat my Colts & did'nt Bradshaw Win A Big Game ??

[Hans Moleman]

Fleener can't block. I dony think Allen should ever come off the field. If he wants to punt and kick fg, let him do that too.

 

That's really a myth. Allen's the better blocker, but Coby can block (and block in space).

[Jason_]

Like I said amongst rookies

 

 

Ok well I'm pretty sure that everyone else that was talking about whether or not Luck is elite was talking about elite in general, as in among ALL QB's, not just rookies.  and in that regard, in terms of all QB's in the league, no Luck is not quite to the elite status yet. 

[Jason_]

That's really a myth. Allen's the better blocker, but Coby can block (and block in space).

 

 

hey now, I heard somewhere at sometime from someone but I can't remember who that Fleener couldn't block so it must be true.

 

lol   j/k of course.  I agree with you.  I think Fleener gets an undeserved bad rap in terms of blocking.  He's not as good a blocker as Allen, I don't think anyone would dispute that, but he's not nearly as bad as many try to make him out to be.

[Jason_]

I did'nt have to watch Bradshaw beat my Colts & did'nt Bradshaw Win A Big Game ??

 

marino never had the Steel curtain defense backing him up.

[Superman]

I did'nt have to watch Bradshaw beat my Colts & did'nt Bradshaw Win A Big Game ??

Eghhhh...

The Steelers won several big games, with Bradshaw as quarterback. The Dolphins won big games with Marino, also, just not a Super Bowl, unfortunately for Marino and his legacy.

The difference is that the Dolphins lost playoff games in which Marino was oustanding, like in '94 against the Chargers, when Marino was 24/38 with 262 yards, 3 touchdowns and 0 interceptions, and they lost 22-21 because Pete Stoyanovich missed a 47 yard field goal at the end. Meanwhile, the Steelers won Super Bowls with Bradshaw going 9/14 with 96 yards and a touchdown, but the defense only gave up 6 points. Or when he threw three interceptions in the Super Bowl against the Rams.

The difference is that Marino carried his teams, while Bradshaw was merely a piece of the puzzle. A very important piece, and he did his job and made big plays along the way. But Dan Marino was a significantly better quarterback than Terry Bradshaw was, and it's crazy for anyone to reduce their careers to just Super Bowls.

But have at it. I've been protesting it at the top of my lungs for years, and it hasn't made any difference.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Ok well I'm pretty sure that everyone else that was talking about whether or not Luck is elite was talking about elite in general, as in among ALL QB's, not just rookies.  and in that regard, in terms of all QB's in the league, no Luck is not quite to the elite status yet. 

 

Okay let me make this simple & my self clear - my use of term elite used earlier today understand my context or my attempt to explain my thoughts regardless what your use is read this & tell me if I'm unclear .. Thank You

 

 

Posted Today, 04:06 PM

bluebambi, on 31 Jul 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

I'm not to sure Andrew falls under the " elite" catagory yet .

Sure he does he was an elite rookie who shoulda got the Roy . 11-5  is how the Colts finished after all they were believed to be the worst team & would be celler dwellers . 12's rookie record was much better than 18's .

 

If anyone really believes that RG3 deserved the Roy & carried his team into the playoffs with no running game or swiss cheese for a offensive line then yeah your probably right . 

 

Then Luck may not be elite , IMO Andrew Luck did more with less then any other rookie & yes in my world he is elite .

 

                                                                                                                                                                                   

[BOTT]

Not IMO he had some good years & he was a very good QB & thats it .

Oh boy.....

[BOTT]

During a practice like this, I know they are running 7-7 drills and 11-11 drills, but I have 2 questions.

 

1. When I watched 7-7 at mini camp, they did not advance the ball, they stayed at one spot and just took snaps, is that what they are doing here or are they advancing the ball upon completions?

2. How many sequences/drives is Andrew Luck seeing daily? I see that he was 17/22 today, but how many drives did it take to get there? 22 passes is not enough for our franchise QB and I am getting worried that this "downhill running game" crap is getting out of hand. He needs around 30-35 opportunities a game, IMO.

It's practice, not a game

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Oh boy.....

 

I was not a fan   of Marino     

[Jason_]

Okay let me make this simple & my self clear - my use of term elite used earlier today understand my context or my attempt to explain my thoughts regardless what your use is read this & tell me if I'm unclear .. Thank You

 

 

Um, yes you are very unclear.  I recognize all of those words, but they dont quite fit together that way.  

 

The discussion that you joined was about whether or not Luck is an elite QB...not an elite Rookie but an elite QB.  You changed it to elite rookie.  Sure he was an elite rookie (you know, WAS, since he's not anymore ;) ), I think most would agree with that.  However that's not the discussion that you joined.  However, as I said earlier, I had all I needed from you after you said Marino was a good QB but not elite. ;)

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

 I had all I needed from you after you said Marino was a good QB but not elite. ;)

[esmort]

Either Chapman is going to be great or Satele and McGlynn are terrible. On the camp updates it was reported that Chapman collapsed McGlynn and Satele into the pocket knocking down those 2 and two others, a TE and another OT.

 

Well we already know McGlynn is terrible, and Satele is potentially just as bad (depending on how much stock you put into that he was not 100% last season) ... I am going to go with Dustin's sentiments and hope the 2 are not mutually exclusive.

[unitaswestand]

I know he's a real long shot, but I'm rooting for Rayford.  I was listening to an interview he did and the kid loves football, he refuses to give up the dream.  He's 27 so this may be his last shot.

 

Plus, a 6'7" LB has to be able to bat down balls, as well as kicks.

 

Just curious, how is a 27 year old man called a kid?  For that matter, a 23 year old?  lol  I just always wondered.

[PrincetonTiger]

Just curious, how is a 27 year old man called a kid?  For that matter, a 23 year old?  lol  I just always wondered.

When you could had had them both in class.

[Legend of Luck]

Don't worry yourself about Luck's attempts. We're going to throw the ball plenty, but we're not going to throw it just because "he needs 30-35 passes a game."

And the number of throws he attempts in an afternoon of camp has nothing to do with how many throws he'll make during games. Absolutely nothing.

I agree, my point was that Im curious to see what the breakdown between rushing attempts and passing attempts are. I dont want to put TOO much focus on the run and take the ball away from our best playmakers.

 

It's practice, not a game

 Thank you for the condescending and pointless answer, go troll somewhere else. 

[Monster]

To me, "elite" isn't measured by rings.

Exactly.   Wasn't  Trent Dilfer the QB when the Ravens (D)  won it about 10yrs back?

[PrincetonTiger]

Exactly.   Wasn't  Trent Dilfer the QB when the Ravens (D)  won it about 10yrs back?

yes

[Superman]

Exactly.   Wasn't  Trent Dilfer the QB when the Ravens (D)  won it about 10yrs back?

Even more recent than that, Brad Johnson was the Bucs quarterback in 2002.

[TKnight24]

:topic:

[Dustin]

Anyone know how Adongo is doing?

[Smonroe]

Anyone know how Adongo is doing?

They showed a little video of him practicing techniques after practice. I think Hughes was with him.

I'm pretty sure he figured out how to put on his helmet so far.

[BOTT]

I agree, my point was that Im curious to see what the breakdown between rushing attempts and passing attempts are. I dont want to put TOO much focus on the run and take the ball away from our best playmakers.

 

 Thank you for the condescending and pointless answer, go troll somewhere else.

Well Mrs. Sensitive, you seemed to need help with the obvious

[PrincetonTiger]

Even more recent than that, Brad Johnson was the Bucs quarterback in 2002.

I loved BJ but I was a Kenny Dilger fan.

[Legend of Luck]

Well Mrs. Sensitive, you seemed to need help with the obvious

 

I simply asked a question and stated my reasoning behind it. If you didnt have anything worth saying then dont post it. No point in being rude just to be rude. We are all on the same team here.

[BOTT]

I simply asked a question and stated my reasoning behind it. If you didnt have anything worth saying then dont post it. No point in being rude just to be rude. We are all on the same team here.

Simply pointing out it was just practice is rude and trolling behavior? Ok....

[GoodLuck]

Disappointed when I can't get vids of Andrew Throwing. The vids on the official site suck. Only the interviews are good.

Allen is a special guy.

[Legend of Luck]

Simply pointing out it was just practice is rude and trolling behavior? Ok....

Because pointing out that its practice in a training camp forum is really necessary right?

[BOTT]

Because pointing out that its practice in a training camp forum is really necessary right?

Considering your overreaction, yes.

[TKnight24]

:topic:

[McGrit]

Josh Chapman is a MONSTER!!!

What Robert Mathis call him? Thug in the trenches?

 

Yep, TNT baby!

[CR91]

does anyone have a clip of chapman dropping our linemen like bowling pins

[Warhorse]

I'm not to sure Andrew falls under the " elite" catagory yet .

I would agree that he is not elite yet. But I would also say that he did an impressive number of elite things in his rookie season. Enough to put him in a rare category.

[unitaswestand]

does anyone have a clip of chapman dropping our linemen like bowling pins

 

That is probably the greatest thing I have heard from a training in years.  If he can do that to other players during regular season, we will FINALLY have a fun stopping force on the inside for the first time since Siragusa was with us.  Plus, I love the bowling pins analogy

[GoColts8818]

I'm not to sure Andrew falls under the " elite" catagory yet .

He doesn't but he shouldn't either.  I mean he's only a second year player.  Even Peyton Manning wasn't an "elite" QB going into his second season in the NFL.  It takes time to grow into that.  At this point we should be looking for signs that Andrew can grow into an elite QB and if anyone honestly watched his rookie season you saw those signs but the key part is signs not a finished product yet because he's not that and odds are he wont become a finished product till he's completed four to five years in the NFL.  It doesn't mean he's not a very good QB and it doesn't mean we have to wait that long to win but he probably wont be at his peek till then. 

[Sova!]

If I'm not mistaken this is the "Colts training camp thread -- 7/31," not the Marino vs Bradshaw vs 1 yr experience Luck thread. And if I read the word "Elite" one more time...Sova!

[AntonMcG]

If I'm not mistaken this is the "Colts training camp thread -- 7/31," not the Marino vs Bradshaw vs 1 yr experience Luck thread. And if I read the word "Elite" one more time...Sova!

 

I have a feeling I'm going to like you.