Lavon Brazill Suspended for First 4 Games

[schwamm]

I have Actualy I suppose I should have add an /sarcasm or somthing . In response to superman, I think people automatically assume its weed when someone fails a drug test . Not realizing that there are many banned drugs in the nfl

I was appreciating the reference. I get a kick out of that movie, knowing it was a serious attempt at a PSA warning against dope... but such a miserable failure it's become a cult classic.

I think you, Sup and I are agreeing that there is no word yet that its Mary Jane... at least as far as I know.

[Superman]

I have Actualy I suppose I should have add an /sarcasm or somthing . In response to superman, I think people automatically assume its weed when someone fails a drug test . Not realizing that there are many banned drugs in the nfl

 

That's the last thing I think of when it's a professional athlete. I automatically default to performance enhancers.

[Superman]

One that amazes me is adderall.  While it is an amphetamine, it is one of the most prescribed drugs in the US.  If it is a prescription, IMO it should not be banned.  As I have said before, the same should go with steroids....if prescribed to benefit injury recovery.  Just my opinion....

 

Adderall requires a prescription. If an NFL player is prescribed Adderall, the league is notified, and they don't have to worry about being suspended.

 

But it's become a street drug, and people use it without prescription, including athletes. In that case, not only is a "performance enhancer," but it's also illegal use of a controlled substance.

 

I agree with you that the bans on some of these substances are overboard. I think pro sports really needs to rethink their stance on "performance enhancers," because the current stance is very hypocritical and ineffective. But I understand why a pro sports league would take a hard line with their athletes using controlled substances illegally, whether they are common or not.

[BrentMc11]

Adderall requires a prescription. If an NFL player is prescribed Adderall, the league is notified, and they don't have to worry about being suspended.

 

But it's become a street drug, and people use it without prescription, including athletes. In that case, not only is a "performance enhancer," but it's also illegal use of a controlled substance.

 

I agree with you that the bans on some of these substances are overboard. I think pro sports really needs to rethink their stance on "performance enhancers," because the current stance is very hypocritical and ineffective. But I understand why a pro sports league would take a hard line with their athletes using controlled substances illegally, whether they are common or not.

Good news on the adderall....I was unaware they could notify the league of the script.  Great!

 

Yes the NFL does have to draw the hard line....any way to get an edge to be better for some guys regardless of the risks.  Nice post Sup!  Thanks for the info.

[Burnout01]

You guys think he's worth keeping?

[Gavin]

If they register their guns then the big bad government will come and take it......duh! 

Sure if they used it to kill

[Gavin]

You guys think he's worth keeping?

He is on the outside looking in I think

[GoColts8818]

I don't know what the Colts are going to do.  I will say this I heard on the radio today that Kravitz said part of the reason why the Colts wanted DHB so bad was that higher ups in the Colts organization were telling him they didn't trust Brazil in terms of maturatey issues.  Keep in mind in order to get suspended for four games it's the second time you've been busted and he's been in the league a year.  That's not a good sign going forward. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

That's the last thing I think of when it's a professional athlete. I automatically default to performance enhancers.

QTF.  That, or the agents that cover that up.  That's my first incliniation.  Thanks Major League Baseball.

[Superman]

I don't know what the Colts are going to do.  I will say this I heard on the radio today that Kravitz said part of the reason why the Colts wanted DHB so bad was that higher ups in the Colts organization were telling him they didn't trust Brazil in terms of maturatey issues.  Keep in mind in order to get suspended for four games it's the second time you've been busted and he's been in the league a year.  That's not a good sign going forward. 

 

For me, the question that needs to be answered is when did the positive test happen? If this is something new and recent, then all those concerns are relevant.

 

But it kind of seems to me like the positive test is a part of all the stuff that the Colts organization was talking about. Irsay made some comments a while back about how Brazill needs to work harder and whatnot, and that kind of came out of nowhere. Knowing that these violations take some time to be reported, especially if the player appeals, this could be something from several months ago.

 

Maybe not. I really have no idea. I just want to know what the timeline is, and hopefully what the substance was.

 

Also, even if the team loved Brazill and trusted him completely, DHB is a different kind of receiver and hopefully will add a different dimension to our receiving corps than Brazill could. It makes sense that they wanted DHB simply because of his potential impact, not because of issues with Brazill, who was hardly integral to the team's offense last season.

[ColtsBlueFL]

One that amazes me is adderall.  While it is an amphetamine, it is one of the most prescribed drugs in the US.  If it is a prescription, IMO it should not be banned.  As I have said before, the same should go with steroids....if prescribed to benefit injury recovery.  Just my opinion....

It's not just a prescription drug, it is a well controlled substance.  Someone very young and close to our family has to take it to concentrate at school.  The online and brick and mortar pharmacies are very particular about getting refills too early and not leaving a package in the mailbox.  It Must_Be_Signed_For in person.

 

Why is it controlled and athletes want it?  Here's a snippet-

 

"But Adderall, categorized by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule II controlled substance because it is particularly addictive, is also used by college students and even some high school students to provide extra energy and concentration for studying or as a party drug to ward off fatigue."

 

It is a PED.  College kids call it the Superman drug.  It can propel a football player through training camp and a boost each game.

 

more here-

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/sports/football/adderall-a-drug-of-increased-focus-for-nfl-players.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[Dustin]

They don't really take Adderall. That's just what they say when they get caught because the NFL can't disclose what they tested positive for. Likely HGH.

[Superman]

It's not just a prescription drug, it is a well controlled substance.  Someone very young and close to our family has to take it to concentrate at school.  The online and brick and mortar pharmacies are very particular about getting refills too early and not leaving a package in the mailbox.  It Must_Be_Signed_For in person.

 

Why is it controlled and athletes want it?  Here's a snippet-

 

"But Adderall, categorized by the Drug Enforcement Administration as a Schedule II controlled substance because it is particularly addictive, is also used by college students and even some high school students to provide extra energy and concentration for studying or as a party drug to ward off fatigue."

 

It is a PED.  College kids call it the Superman drug.  It can propel a football player through training camp and a boost each game.

 

more here-

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/02/sports/football/adderall-a-drug-of-increased-focus-for-nfl-players.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

From that article:

Even if it does, the players union has tried to warn its members that substances like Adderall are banned unless a player receives a therapeutic-use exemption from the league. That process includes a review of an A.D.H.D. diagnosis by an independent administrator and other specialists.

 

 

So there's a little more to it than just telling the league that you have a prescription for it.

[GoColts8818]

For me, the question that needs to be answered is when did the positive test happen? If this is something new and recent, then all those concerns are relevant.

 

But it kind of seems to me like the positive test is a part of all the stuff that the Colts organization was talking about. Irsay made some comments a while back about how Brazill needs to work harder and whatnot, and that kind of came out of nowhere. Knowing that these violations take some time to be reported, especially if the player appeals, this could be something from several months ago.

 

Maybe not. I really have no idea. I just want to know what the timeline is, and hopefully what the substance was.

 

Also, even if the team loved Brazill and trusted him completely, DHB is a different kind of receiver and hopefully will add a different dimension to our receiving corps than Brazill could. It makes sense that they wanted DHB simply because of his potential impact, not because of issues with Brazill, who was hardly integral to the team's offense last season.

I am just telling you what Kravitz said who talked to these people if you think you know more than they do in terms of why they signed DHB then fine.  My GUESS would be that they mean is that they wanted DHB because he's another proven WR because they didn't trust Brazil to stay out of trouble and be able to replace Avery's spot in the top three WRs of the line up more than they viewed DHB as the same kind of player Brazil is. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

From that article:

 

So there's a little more to it than just telling the league that you have a prescription for it.

 

Yup.

[Superman]

I am just telling you what Kravitz said who talked to these people if you think you know more than they do in terms of why they signed DHB then fine.  My GUESS would be that they mean is that they wanted DHB because he's another proven WR because they didn't trust Brazil to stay out of trouble and be able to replace Avery's spot in the top three WRs of the line up more than they viewed DHB as the same kind of player Brazil is. 

 

Is Kravitz relaying first hand information? Are we talking about anonymous sources, off the record conversations? Just wondering how much editorial is included in those comments. And again, what the timeline is.

 

Not saying that I know more than people who work for the team, or that I know more than Kravitz, who has access to people who work for the team. I'm just wondering whether someone is simply relaying information, or if they are relaying their own conclusions.

[ColtsBlueFL]

They don't really take Adderall. That's just what they say when they get caught because the NFL can't disclose what they tested positive for. Likely HGH.

 

For some (like injured players), I bet you're right.  Others (healthy players) likely do take Adderall. It has powerful, near immediate effects.

[Gavin]

I wonder if it all possible (legally or otherwise) for the players to send a copy of there meds so its on file what they are prescribed so that the league knows what to expect when it comes to who takes what, Ideally it would save alot of hassle for the player who gets busted for these substances and also would keep that player from looking as if he broke the rule intentionally, even if some are prescribed for very valid reasons it seems they get busted

[Superman]

I wonder if it all possible (legally or otherwise) for the players to send a copy of there meds so its on file what they are prescribed so that the league knows what to expect when it comes to who takes what, Ideally it would save alot of hassle for the player who gets busted for these substances and also would keep that player from looking as if he broke the rule intentionally, even if some are prescribed for very valid reasons it seems they get busted

 

An individual has a right to privacy, but they can share information about their medical history with whoever they choose. And certain rights are waived as a condition of employment, not just with the NFL, but with a lot of companies (if you've ever agreed to drug testing at your job, you waived certain rights in doing so). So yes, the players can (and I bet they do) share that information with the league. 

 

But that NY Times article points out that it's not as simple as a player just notifying the league that they are on Adderall. The NFL has a review policy to ensure that the player actually needs that prescription. I could go get a prescription for Adderall (or other medications) right now, without going through the proper procedures, even if I don't really need it. A lot of people are prescribed sleep aids or anxiety medication even though they don't really need them, medically speaking (especially athletes and other people who fly a lot). But those are considered performance enhancers -- like amphetamines -- so the NFL isn't cracking down on them.

 

So if a player actually gets suspended for taking Adderall, it means he either didn't go through the proper league procedures, or he has been taking it illegally. Either way, the player is responsible.

[amfootball]

Colts off-season is getting worse by the day. Arrests, suspensions .... what's next?

[Dustin]

Colts off-season is getting worse by the day. Arrests, suspensions .... what's next?

Hopefully not a murder.

[amfootball]

Hopefully not a murder.

You are headed that way...

[Dustin]

You are headed that way...

Yeah because failing drug test = future murderer lol

[amfootball]

Yeah because failing drug test = future murderer lol

I was referencing the other story ... nice to make fun of the Pats when your own underwear is dirty...very dirty.

[Superman]

I was referencing the other story ... nice to make fun of the Pats when your own underwear is dirty...very dirty.

 

So backwards...

 

There's so much space between being charged with murder and being arrested for carrying a weapon illegally. It's just not even close.

 

And the thing is, none of us really care. You're the one drawing the comparison.

[amfootball]

So backwards...

 

There's so much space between being charged with murder and being arrested for carrying a weapon illegally. It's just not even close.

 

And the thing is, none of us really care. You're the one drawing the comparison.

Six pages says you do care and the other thread is at 8.

 

You mistake me my friend. The comparison is not the crimes but the irony of those gloating over AH and the Pats. Does not take long for things to come around.  

[Superman]

Six pages says you do care and the other thread is at 8.

 

You mistake me my friend. The comparison is not the crimes but the irony of those gloating over AH and the Pats. Does not take long for things to come around.  

 

Who's gloating about Aaron Hernandez and the Pats?

 

Of course we care about our own guys getting in trouble. I'm not dismissing either of these incidents as inconsequential. But they are so insignificant in comparison with Hernandez that what you're doing right now is just totally outrageous. 

 

What we don't care about is whether you think the Colts are somehow tainted by these issues, or if they are more or less tainted than the Patriots. It doesn't matter. We want our house in order. We don't care about your house.

[amfootball]

Who's gloating about Aaron Hernandez and the Pats?

 

Of course we care about our own guys getting in trouble. I'm not dismissing either of these incidents as inconsequential. But they are so insignificant in comparison with Hernandez that what you're doing right now is just totally outrageous. 

 

What we don't care about is whether you think the Colts are somehow tainted by these issues, or if they are more or less tainted than the Patriots. It doesn't matter. We want our house in order. We don't care about your house.

lol. Go check out the NFL general section if you think there is no gloating ...

[Superman]

lol. Go check out the NFL general section if you think there is no gloating ...

 

I see a bunch of people giving the Patriots credit for cutting ties with Hernandez, crediting them for the jersey trade, etc.

 

If you can't handle a few jokes at the expense of your team -- but mostly directed at Hernandez -- on a rival team's message board, you should either grow a thicker skin or find somewhere else to post. There's really no gloating.

 

Although, if we're going to get down to it, we can acknowledge the Lefeged and Brazill incidents and still not even approach the Hernandez incident, leaving plenty of room for Colts fans to gloat and/or be critical of that whole situation.

[JlynRN]

lol. Go check out the NFL general section if you think there is no gloating ...

So you come to a Colts forum and gloat about OUR team???  If you want to gloat, then go to the pats forum and gloat there.  Like superman said, WE care about OUR team and what is happening.  We care about OUR house, we don't care about yours !!!

 

Sorry, just had to add my 2 cents worth  LOL

[amfootball]

I see a bunch of people giving the Patriots credit for cutting ties with Hernandez, crediting them for the jersey trade, etc.

 

If you can't handle a few jokes at the expense of your team -- but mostly directed at Hernandez -- on a rival team's message board, you should either grow a thicker skin or find somewhere else to post. There's really no gloating.

 

Although, if we're going to get down to it, we can acknowledge the Lefeged and Brazill incidents and still not even approach the Hernandez incident, leaving plenty of room for Colts fans to gloat and/or be critical of that whole situation.

I can take it just fine. Seems you can't. Afterall, I am just a rival fan having a little fun.

[Superman]

I can take it just fine. Seems you can't. Afterall, I am just a rival fan having a little fun.

 

I'm not the one complaining on a Colts forum about someone making fun of a rival team. Like I said, you're so backward. 

 

[Dustin]

I have to admit though, since the Hernandez thing, people have been taking a lot of shots at the Patriots. Though it should be expected because of the huge target on their backs. Colts fans should be reluctant to pull the trigger though, because we would need a cleaning crew to get rid of the stains from our organization. It's not like we have a squeaky clean org. either. ;)

[Superman]

I have to admit though, since the Hernandez thing, people have been taking a lot of shots at the Patriots. Though it should be expected because of the huge target on their backs. Colts fans should be reluctant to pull the trigger though, because we would need a cleaning crew to get rid of the stains from our organization. It's not like we have a squeaky clean org. either. ;)

 

[GoColts8818]

Is Kravitz relaying first hand information? Are we talking about anonymous sources, off the record conversations? Just wondering how much editorial is included in those comments. And again, what the timeline is.

 

Not saying that I know more than people who work for the team, or that I know more than Kravitz, who has access to people who work for the team. I'm just wondering whether someone is simply relaying information, or if they are relaying their own conclusions.

Like I said in my first post, he said according to "higher ups" in the Colts organization.  He went out of his way to let it be known he had talked to more than one about it.  Exactly who he didn't say. 

[Dustin]

I tried

[amfootball]

I'm not the one complaining on a Colts forum about someone making fun of a rival team. Like I said, you're so backward. 

 

Whose complaining? I am just having some fun. Love the video BTW.

[amfootball]

I have to admit though, since the Hernandez thing, people have been taking a lot of shots at the Patriots. Though it should be expected because of the huge target on their backs. Colts fans should be reluctant to pull the trigger though, because we would need a cleaning crew to get rid of the stains from our organization. It's not like we have a squeaky clean org. either. ;)

Amen brother. Could not have said it better myself ...

[BOTT]

I have to admit though, since the Hernandez thing, people have been taking a lot of shots at the Patriots. Though it should be expected because of the huge target on their backs. Colts fans should be reluctant to pull the trigger though, because we would need a cleaning crew to get rid of the stains from our organization. It's not like we have a squeaky clean org. either. ;)

Very Wes Welker of you

[House]

Amen brother. Could not have said it better myself ...

You know he was making fun of Hernandez right lol?