Most Overrated Draft Prospects

I agree with Kellen Moore. I want to like the guy but I don't think he makes it very far in the NFL. His best chance is a west coast offense but even then it's iffy. He can throw a 50 yard pass but it's always a lob pass trying to get the ball to a WR that has beaten his defender.

Kirkpatrick, from what I see when he's on screen I would highly disagree. However with guys in the secondary, as a casual fan limited by the camera angles the TV shows it can be difficult to see what they're doing when they're not on screen. I'd say this goes for Barron as well. They both make a lot of big plays but who knows what they're doing when they're not on screen. I still think it's a little strong to say they're that overrated.

The one I disagree with most is Nick Foles...if you've ready more than 1 of my previous posts this will probably come as no surprise. lol Don't get me wrong, he's by no means a perfect prospect. There are some problems with his game but the problems he has I think are more than correctable. He does throw both vertically and horizontally and has good to great intermediate and deep accuracy. It is commonly reported on many draft reports, and I agree, that his short pass accuracy needs work. IMO I think it has a lot to do with his throwing motion. I also don't get the "gimmicky" offense part. I would say Georgia Tech runs a gimmicky offense. Arizona runs a pretty standard spread offense. Yes that is going to inflate stats but I wouldn't call it gimmicky.

I've only seen Cliff Harris once so far and I wasn't overly impressed...not like I was watching Kirkpatrick or Morris Claiborn.

I fully agree with Donte Paige-Moss. I've seen multiple NC games and I just don't see him on the field very often. Coples is pretty much an every down DE but I only see Paige-Moss in on about a third of the plays and have yet to see anything that was very impressive.

A few of the guys on the list I wonder how they're considered overrated. Specifically Chris Galippo and Ryan Broyles...if there's a draft site projecting them as 1st or 2nd round talent then yes I would definitely agree, but from what I've seen Broyles is pretty consistently projected in the 4th round and Galippo in the 5th/6th. In those rounds I think either would be a solid pickup, Broyles moreso than Galippo.

Andy · September 30, 2011

Landry Jones. He shouldn't be 2nd. He should be like 10th to 15th.

chad72 · September 30, 2011

Don't agree with Ryan Broyles. If he is put in a good situation in the NFL as a slot wideout, he will produce. If you are expecting him to be an elite wideout, you will be disappointed. Bottom of round 2 candidate, IMO.

theking213 · September 30, 2011

Don't agree with Ryan Broyles. If he is put in a good situation in the NFL as a slot wideout, he will produce. If you are expecting him to be an elite wideout, you will be disappointed. Bottom of round 2 candidate, IMO.

Yup that's exactly what they wrote

Broyles is a quality player and a likely second-round pick, but he is not a No. 1 wide receiver. The 5'10" 190-pounder doesn't have great straight-line speed but is quick and makes plays with the ball in his hands.
The Oklahoma State star has good hands, but is limited by his lack of size and deep speed. Broyles' ideal fit in the NFL is as a slot receiver, and he is far from the primary target that many feel he is.

theking213 · September 30, 2011

The one I disagree with most is Nick Foles...if you've ready more than 1 of my previous posts this will probably come as no surprise. lol Don't get me wrong, he's by no means a perfect prospect. There are some problems with his game but the problems he has I think are more than correctable. He does throw both vertically and horizontally and has good to great intermediate and deep accuracy. It is commonly reported on many draft reports, and I agree, that his short pass accuracy needs work. IMO I think it has a lot to do with his throwing motion. I also don't get the "gimmicky" offense part. I would say Georgia Tech runs a gimmicky offense. Arizona runs a pretty standard spread offense. Yes that is going to inflate stats but I wouldn't call it gimmicky.

I was waiting for your Nick Foles rebuttal lol

The one thing I think they got wrong was about Foles throwing vertically. I think he throws the best deep ball of all the prospects. And has plenty of zip on his throws.

By gimmicky I think they mean Arizonas WRs run a lot of hitches and under routes so that inflates his completion stats

I wouldn't really call that gimmicky, like you said that's a standard spread offense.

Balzer40 · September 30, 2011

I think Foles has a plenty strong enough arm, I just don't think he knows how to control the velocity in which it comes out of his hand. He can throw a good deep ball, but when he throws short passes they float from his hand as if he's trying to take a lot off his throw so he don't throw a bullett to the recievers. I think this article is pretty spot on, at least on the prospects I've seen. I agree with it on Kurt Cousins too. I don't think he will ever be anymore than a backup in the pro's.

Jason_ · September 30, 2011

I think Foles has a plenty strong enough arm, I just don't think he knows how to control the velocity in which it comes out of his hand. He can throw a good deep ball, but when he throws short passes they float from his hand as if he's trying to take a lot off his throw so he don't throw a bullett to the recievers. I think this article is pretty spot on, at least on the prospects I've seen. I agree with it on Kurt Cousins too. I don't think he will ever be anymore than a backup in the pro's.

Here's my impression of Foles' short passing accuracy issues and I'm hoping someone will keep an eye out for this if you watch another Arizona game and tell me if you see the same thing. I don't think it's so much that he's trying to take anything off the ball, I think it's just his throwing motion and it affects his short accuracy rather than intermediate or deep passing. When he throws short, his arm/hand goes down towards the ground more than it probably should and the ball looks like it kinda floats off the top of his hand instead of him driving the ball towards the receiver. I think all of his passes tend to float a little bit but it doesn't show on intermediate and deep routes because he's usually throwing above the LB but in front of the DB so he's dropping the ball in. I think he just needs to be shown how to modify his throwing motion for different types of passes.

I also agree with Cousins....of the current top prospects I think he's the one who will be the biggest project. Not sure if he'll make it or not. If he is to have any chance he's going to need to be put in the right situation with a good QB coach and/or vet QB to heavily mentor him.

Overall I agreed with the majority of the things the author pointed out. Broyles will likely be a great slot WR but if a team takes him in the first round they'd be wasting a first round pick, imo. He would be a solid mid round pickup though and I wouldn't be surprised if the Colts target him. I don't see him as being a #1 or #2 outside wideout though due to his short stature.

Jason_ · September 30, 2011

I was waiting for your Nick Foles rebuttal lol
The one thing I think they got wrong was about Foles throwing vertically. I think he throws the best deep ball of all the prospects. And has plenty of zip on his throws.
By gimmicky I think they mean Arizonas WRs run a lot of hitches and under routes so that inflates his completion stats
I wouldn't really call that gimmicky, like you said that's a standard spread offense.

lol...yeah I figured it would come to no surprise that Foles was the one I'd have the most issue with. Obviously he's not a pro-ready QB, as they say but I do think he has a lot of talent and can be a very good, if not great QB with the right tutelage. As for the gimmicky thing, yeah I think you and I just have a different opinion as to what gimmicky is as opposed to the author. When I think of gimmicky I think of a lot of options, triple options etc like Georgia Tech's offense. Arizona does run a lot of short passes and screens, but they have no running game to speak of so they have to to keep Foles from getting nailed on every play. That will obviously inflate his completion percentage though. If you take those types of plays out though I bet he's still completing 65% or more of his passes which is pretty good for a spread offense imo.

CMD918 · September 30, 2011

Yup that's exactly what they wrote

Just a little fyi Ryan Broyles plays for Oklahoma NOT Oklahoma State. Justin Blackmon is the Oklahoma State Star

Steagles · September 30, 2011

HUGE HUGE HUGE argument with Barron.

Jason_ · September 30, 2011

HUGE HUGE HUGE argument with Barron.

lol..I was waiting for this one like some were waiting for my defense of Foles. I would say that Barron is probably not worth a first round pick, but I say this mainly based on the fact that over the past 3 years, there have only been 2 safeties taken in the first round. Safety is kind of like Guard or Center in that traditionally they aren't going to be first round picks. I don't get the comment at all that he has limited range though. Barron is all over the field every in each 'Bama game I've seen.

Steagles · October 1, 2011

lol..I was waiting for this one like some were waiting for my defense of Foles. I would say that Barron is probably not worth a first round pick, but I say this mainly based on the fact that over the past 3 years, there have only been 2 safeties taken in the first round. Safety is kind of like Guard or Center in that traditionally they aren't going to be first round picks. I don't get the comment at all that he has limited range though. Barron is all over the field every in each 'Bama game I've seen.

I didn't say he was worth a first, I disagree with what the website said.

Jason_ · October 2, 2011

I want this columnist to watch the USC vs. Arizona game and then try to convince anyone that Foles is overrated or that he couldn't be a potential first round pick...I'm not saying he could be a top 10 or maybe not even a top 20 pick due to the number of talented QB's coming out, but he could easily work into a late first round pick.

Foles' numbers:

41/53 for 425 yards, 4 TD and 2 INT. Incidentally these were the first 2 INT's Foles has thrown all year. I will put one of them on him though his TE did slow up on his route. The other INT though was all on WR Juron Criner who ran right into a stationery defender and then just stopped. Foles threw it to where Criner was supposed to be.

Barkley had a great game as well:

32/39 for 468 yards, 4 TD and 1 INT...I don't put this INT on Barkley either, it was more a great read and react by the CB, who to that point had done nothing but commit 2 incredibly stupid pass interference penalties.

Both QB's played great and made some outstanding throws. I was very impressed with both QB's ability to roll out to their left and throw accurately on the run. Typically a QB only rolls out to the side of his throwing arm but these guys both rolled out opposite that and still made accurate throws on the run.

I give them both a strong A to A+ for the game...in the end it really came down to the fact that Barkley has a much better team around him.

Steagles · October 2, 2011

I want this columnist to watch the USC vs. Arizona game and then try to convince anyone that Foles is overrated or that he couldn't be a potential first round pick...I'm not saying he could be a top 10 or maybe not even a top 20 pick due to the number of talented QB's coming out, but he could easily work into a late first round pick.
Foles' numbers:
41/53 for 425 yards, 4 TD and 2 INT. Incidentally these were the first 2 INT's Foles has thrown all year. I will put one of them on him though his TE did slow up on his route. The other INT though was all on WR Juron Criner who ran right into a stationery defender and then just stopped. Foles threw it to where Criner was supposed to be.
Barkley had a great game as well:
32/39 for 468 yards, 4 TD and 1 INT...I don't put this INT on Barkley either, it was more a great read and react by the CB, who to that point had done nothing but commit 2 incredibly stupid pass interference penalties.
Both QB's played great and made some outstanding throws. I was very impressed with both QB's ability to roll out to their left and throw accurately on the run. Typically a QB only rolls out to the side of his throwing arm but these guys both rolled out opposite that and still made accurate throws on the run.
I give them both a strong A to A+ for the game...in the end it really came down to the fact that Barkley has a much better team around him.

I was thoroughly impressed with Barkelly.

King Colt · October 4, 2011

I surf around all games and almost every game of every week you hear the name Stan Luck as if he is the messiah. This guy is going to be tidal waved by the media when he goes pro and it will be interesting how his career plays out. They are even seriously suggesting some teams will throw games to get a chance to draft him. It is absurd!!

Balzer40 · October 4, 2011

I surf around all games and almost every game of every week you hear the name Stan Luck as if he is the messiah. This guy is going to be tidal waved by the media when he goes pro and it will be interesting how his career plays out. They are even seriously suggesting some teams will throw games to get a chance to draft him. It is absurd!!

Well, im not so sure that some teams won't throw their season for a chance to get him. If people have really paid attention to him for the last few yrs. they would understand what they are saying about him. He is an incrdible talent that has virtually no holes in his game. He is extremely intelligent, athletic, big, strong, and can make any throw with perfect execution. The people that don't understand the hype have never really watched many of his games. He has singlehandedly made Standford relevant again. Thats not to say that he don't have good players around him now because he does, but the reason why many of them are there is because of Luck. Colts fans always say that Manning has made sub par players look good, well Luck has had much the same effect on the players at Stanford. Coaches gameplan for Luck and what he does for their offense. People can keep screaming all they want that we need help in other area's and thats true, but I would be willing to bet that if the Colts have the 1st pick in the draft that Polian absolutely will not pass on Luck. Polian obviously knows the importance of a highly skilled and intelligent QB that could be here for yrs. and he's not gonna be dumb enough to pass on that opportunity if it presents itself.

Jason_ · October 4, 2011

Well, im not so sure that some teams won't throw their season for a chance to get him. If people have really paid attention to him for the last few yrs. they would understand what they are saying about him. He is an incrdible talent that has virtually no holes in his game. He is extremely intelligent, athletic, big, strong, and can make any throw with perfect execution. The people that don't understand the hype have never really watched many of his games. He has singlehandedly made Standford relevant again. Thats not to say that he don't have good players around him now because he does, but the reason why many of them are there is because of Luck. Colts fans always say that Manning has made sub par players look good, well Luck has had much the same effect on the players at Stanford. Coaches gameplan for Luck and what he does for their offense. People can keep screaming all they want that we need help in other area's and thats true, but I would be willing to bet that if the Colts have the 1st pick in the draft that Polian absolutely will not pass on Luck. Polian obviously knows the importance of a highly skilled and intelligent QB that could be here for yrs. and he's not gonna be dumb enough to pass on that opportunity if it presents itself.

they don't gameplan for luck, they game plan to try to stop the 200+ yards per game rushing attack. Without the rushing attack, play action becomes far less meaningful and that's where Luck does the majority of his damage....to 6'6"-6'8" TE's who are WIDE open because the defense sold out completely on the run. I'm not saying Luck isn't a great QB but I'd like to see what happens if he plays a tough defense who shuts down the Stanford rushing attack and Luck has to put the game completely on his shoulders. IMO if he doesn't land in the right situation he's going to struggle more than people think and the Colts are a far cry from offering him the rushing attack and OL that he has at Stanford.

Andy · October 4, 2011

I think Landry Jones is overrated. His stats aren't that great.

Jason_ · October 4, 2011

I think Landry Jones is overrated. His stats aren't that great.

He also plays a much higher level of competition than Barkley, Kellen Moore, Nick Foles or the almighty Andrew Luck.

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