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Would Werner make a good fit at OLB for us in our hybrid defense? He has the size at 6-4, 255 pounds. I just wonder if he has the fluid hips to play in space. Thats one of the biggest problems of converting DEs to OLBs. Some DEs are too stiff in the hips to make that transition.

 

If he can, I would love doing what we can to get this tenacious pass rusher. He has great instincts and is a very good pass rusher and run stopper.

 

I also like OLB Chase Thomas in the later rounds since he is that relentless motor type pass rusher the way Werner is.

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Good question. I have seen a number of mock drafts that have him falling and read something the other day where one analyst projected a surprising fall. That being said, I bet the Giants take him.

 

It seems that he would be a good choice if only because of the "hybrid" nature of the defense. He does not have the ability to drop back into coverage but he can rush the passer with the best of them. I have heard comparisons to Chris Long in St. Louis.

 

I would not be upset if we took him.

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I don't recall where I saw it and I'll try to find it today and link it.....

 

But I read somewhere yesterday that Werner's senior numbers (12 sacks?) is very misleading....

 

That he basically only got 2-3 against decent competition.

 

That the vast majority were against crappy opponents.    And a few more were 'coverage' sacks....

 

So,  his number is misleading....   and he may not be the pass rusher we think he is....

 

That was one scouts view....

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I don't recall where I saw it and I'll try to find it today and link it.....

 

But I read somewhere yesterday that Werner's senior numbers (12 sacks?) is very misleading....

 

That he basically only got 2-3 against decent competition.

 

That the vast majority were against crappy opponents.    And a few more were 'coverage' sacks....

 

So,  his number is misleading....   and he may not be the pass rusher we think he is....

 

That was one scouts view....

All true (looking at Florida States opponents this past year) but Ill offer a bit of a devils advocate: Jamie Collins who many seem to be high on (Not me but this is not a reason) had 10 sacks this past year but only 2 of them were against what many would consider respectable competition: Nebraska and Boise State even though Southern Miss went winless this entire year, I just cant seem to dock a guy because of the predetermined competition he faced that he probably had no idea he was facing 4 years ago. Im not high on him by any stretch of the imagination and I certainly dont believe he is worth our 1st round pick (I think he lasts well beyond that) but who he played in college has nothing to do with that

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Yes would be too good of a player to pass up.

 

I agree...Grigson will bring in talent and Pagano will figure out a way to use them properly and if Werner is still there at #24 then I hope we don't pass on him.   :)

 

Add me to this group.

 

Unless someone extremely surprising is still on the board, I'd be upset if we passed up on Werner if he slides it to us.

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We were both right i knew we wouldn't pass on him.

 

I'm still surprised he was still there.  Honestly I think we have the Saints to thank.  Since they took a safety, that pushed Jarvis down to the Steelers.  Had the Saints gone OLB like a lot of people thought they would then odds are, imo, the Steelers take Werner.  I'm stoked!  :td:

 

No.

 

:wtg:

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Teams pick players who are bad fits all the time, and that was a concern of mine (that's also why I didn't want Floyd when he was slipping). Turns out Pagano worked him out at OLB extensively before the draft, so it wasn't just a pick made off of blind projection. If Werner wasn't up to snuff, there's no way Chuck gives him the green light. 

 

Also, Gil Brandt reported that teams were shocked at how much better he looked standing up than they were expecting. Werner learns quickly, so I'm not terribly concerned about the fit now. It's a legit question, but I'm optimistic about the answer.

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I wasn't aware that everything our HC thinks is absolute truth. We thought Hughes would be a good DE, too.

 

Wait what's with this "we thought hughes would be a good DE"?  Polian may have thought so, Dungy may have thought so...but they also thought Brackett was a starting quality NFL MLB, that Cato June should be moved from Safety to OLB, that we should have players at every position on the defense that are 20 lbs or more lighter than the league average, etc etc etc.

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Wait what's with this "we thought hughes would be a good DE"?  Polian may have thought so, Dungy may have thought so...but they also thought Brackett was a starting quality NFL MLB, that Cato June should be moved from Safety to OLB, that we should have players at every position on the defense that are 20 lbs or more lighter than the league average, etc etc etc.

THAT'S MY POINT

 

Pagano/Grigson > Nobody (exponentially so)

 

just sayin. ;)

You don't say??? 

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THAT'S MY POINT

 

You don't say??? 

 

My point was Polian (because of Dungy) had a long history and trend of making those type of decisions and personnel moves.  What players do you know of that Pagano picked out, scouted, handpicked, had any hand in deciding to bring him in, completely did not fit his scheme?  Dungy had a history of that kind of thing, Pagano does not.  That's MY point.  That's why I included all of the additional examples and I could have easily kept going with Gilbert Gardener, Freddy Keiaho, Tim Jennings (who the secondary specialist Dungy couldn't do anything with but Chicago turned him into a pro-bowler) etc etc.

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My point was Polian (because of Dungy) had a long history and trend of making those type of decisions and personnel moves.  What players do you know of that Pagano picked out, scouted, handpicked, had any hand in deciding to bring him in, completely did not fit his scheme?  Dungy had a history of that kind of thing, Pagano does not.  That's MY point.

Because Pags hasn't gotten to handpick defenders in his career thus far.

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Because Pags hasn't gotten to handpick defenders in his career thus far.

 

Somewhat fair point...though they have hand picked all of the bargain basement guys that helped us go 11-5 last year and the guys we've brought in so far this year.  I also would be surprised if Pagano did NOT have some say in players that were brought in during his time in Baltimore, at least in regards to players in the secondary.

 

Ultimately, I do agree with your point that coaches and GM's do make mistakes all the time, that's why there are very few of either who have been with the same team for 5+ years.  

 

I get that you don't think Werner is a good fit for our system but I have always thought that he would be.  There are those who agree with both sides (though far more agree that he is a good fit than that he is not).  My primary reason for the first post saying  :wtg: should have really been in a different thread where this post was made:

We aren't spending a first rounder on a guy who isn't good enough to beat Walden.

 

Just wanted to point out that your smug insistence that we would not draft Werner was not correct.  It will take a couple of years before any of us know exactly how well Werner will fit in our system, but we do know already that you were wrong in saying that there's no way we would draft him. ;)

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My "smug insistence" wasn't that we wouldn't, but that we shouldn't draft Bjoern. You're getting an awful big head over a guy who hasn't played a snap yet.

 

No that's simply not correct.  Your exact words were "We aren't spending a first rounder on a guy...."

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I wasn't aware that everything our HC thinks is absolute truth. We thought Hughes would be a good DE, too.

Right...but do you not trust Pagano's scouting just a LITTLE bit more than Jim Caldwell's? With that said, did Jim even HAVE any input into who we drafted, while he was coach?    I may be going out on a limb here, but personally, I trust Grigson + Pagano more than I trust the Polians + Caldwell... just sayin'

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I still can wrap my mind over the fact that people think a player that Pagano picked to play HIS defense isn't a fit in his scheme. Like he doesn't know what he wants out of his players in his scheme

That's because you were unaware of the fact that paganos scouting strategy involves a blindfold, dart board, several darts, a player map and a case of Pabst blue ribbon. I'm surprised you didn't see all that in the background of the war room picks. Your observational skills get a D- for this week mister man.

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Right...but do you not trust Pagano's scouting just a LITTLE bit more than Jim Caldwell's? With that said, did Jim even HAVE any input into who we drafted, while he was coach? I may be going out on a limb here, but personally, I trust Grigson + Pagano more than I trust the Polians + Caldwell... just sayin'

Caldwell didn't scout. He barely even coached.
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