Jump to content
Indianapolis Colts
Conversations are moderated for civility. We ask that you please stay on topic. For more info, see our Community Guidelines ×
Indianapolis Colts Fan Forum

Any Player in the Draft...

RealityIsLuck
 Share

Recommended Posts

jshipp23 Active Roster

jshipp23

Posted
Posted

Star Lotulelei. No offense, but I can't believe you guys would take a guard....me thinks you're blinded by need.

LIKE....Seems to be a severe epidemic around here...They all have PTSD from seeing Luck's head darn near taken off so many times..Understandable, but to take a Guard if you had the #1 pick is interesting logic. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Balzer40 Walk On

Balzer40

Posted
Posted

Star Lotulelei. No offense, but I can't believe you guys would take a guard....me thinks you're blinded by need.

 

 

 

It boils down to, this not being a draft where any one player is head and shoulders above another. There are problems with any player you can point out in this draft, whether it be problems in their game or injury concerns and sometimes both. Lotuleilei is a good player, but he doesn't bring more to the team IMO than Warmack would. Warmack fixes the biggest deficiency on the team. So yes, need does factor into my thinking, but Lotuleilei isn't such a rare talent that I would just have to have him. He's a little short for a true 3-4 DE  at only 6'2". 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BOTT Walk On

BOTT

Posted
Posted

Chance is the best player in this draft, who just happens to play at our top need (arguably).

He's still a guard. Trent Richardson may have been a top 10 player last year, but I wouldn't have even thought about taking him that high.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
BOTT Walk On

BOTT

Posted
Posted

It boils down to, this not being a draft where any one player is head and shoulders above another. There are problems with any player you can point out in this draft, whether it be problems in their game or injury concerns and sometimes both. Lotuleilei is a good player, but he doesn't bring more to the team IMO than Warmack would. Warmack fixes the biggest deficiency on the team. So yes, need does factor into my thinking, but Lotuleilei isn't such a rare talent that I would just have to have him. He's a little short for a true 3-4 DE  at only 6'2".

I didn't notice he only measured in at 6'2. Still, I would take a number of players before a guard.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
ztboiler Practice Squad

ztboiler

Posted
Posted

Nothing impacts offensive effectiveness like pass rush.  Particularly interior pass rush.  I'm no scout but it appears that there are several rare pass rushing DT's in this draft. I don't know which one is the best but the experts seem to think it is Floyd, Richardson, S. Williams or D. Jones.  D. Jones isn't big bodied enough to be overly rare, but the other 3 are.  Give me one of them.  Explosive big bodies are possibly the most rare skill set in the league. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Gavin Walk On

Gavin

Posted
Posted

It boils down to, this not being a draft where any one player is head and shoulders above another. There are problems with any player you can point out in this draft, whether it be problems in their game or injury concerns and sometimes both. Lotuleilei is a good player, but he doesn't bring more to the team IMO than Warmack would. Warmack fixes the biggest deficiency on the team. So yes, need does factor into my thinking, but Lotuleilei isn't such a rare talent that I would just have to have him. He's a little short for a true 3-4 DE  at only 6'2". 

Except we have had Nevis out at DE at times, I think it comes down to strength and containment more then actual inches, Francois is only at inch taller at 6'3"

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hans Moleman Walk On

Hans Moleman

Posted
Posted

I'm not sold on Jordan. A lot of raw tools, but playing for a team that was used to blowing out its opponents should've led to him having inflated sack numbers, instead of having 12.5 combined over the last 2 years. He's got farther to go than people expect in both the run and the pass.

 

That said, I would have the utmost confidence in Pagano to develop whatever defender we draft, Jordan included. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hans Moleman Walk On

Hans Moleman

Posted
Posted

Chance is the best player in this draft, who just happens to play at our top need (arguably). 

 

 

I wholeheartedly disagree. He's a great fit for us, but a guard who isn't a great pass blocker isn't the best player in the draft regardless of his run blocking ability. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
pacolts56 Active Roster

pacolts56

Posted
Posted

Star Lotulelei. No offense, but I can't believe you guys would take a guard....me thinks you're blinded by need.

My blind eyes have watched our rushing attack suck to smelly rotten death for 6 straight seasons.....I'd take Warmack.

 

I do admit....a DL monster would be high on the list though....our run defense wasn't much better.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Nobody Walk On

Nobody

Posted
Posted

I wholeheartedly disagree. He's a great fit for us, but a guard who isn't a great pass blocker isn't the best player in the draft regardless of his run blocking ability.

Have you mixed up Warmack and Fluker? Just because Warmack is an elite run blocker it doesn't mean he isn't great in pass pro (he is).
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Balzer40 Walk On

Balzer40

Posted
Posted

CBS has him listed as 6'3" but I guess the official league site is a better source.

they used to have him listed at 6'4" everywhere before the combine. I guess he shrunk after the season was over. They had him listed at 325 lbs before too, but at the combine he only weighed in at 311.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
DarkHorseColts Practice Squad

DarkHorseColts

Posted
Posted

they used to have him listed at 6'4" everywhere before the combine. I guess he shrunk after the season was over. They had him listed at 325 lbs before too, but at the combine he only weighed in at 311.

 

Looks like some are rounding up and some are rounding down:

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/8431/star-lotulelei (all the way at the bottom)

Utah DT Star Lotulelei measured 6-foot-2 1/2 and 311 pounds at Saturday's NFL Combine weigh-in.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hans Moleman Walk On

Hans Moleman

Posted
Posted

Have you mixed up Warmack and Fluker? Just because Warmack is an elite run blocker it doesn't mean he isn't great in pass pro (he is).

 

By normal standards, he's fine- but he did give up 3.5 sacks last year, and that's not a great number for a guard once we get into nit-picking territory, and I think Chance's hype has reached the point to where that's justified. Any time a prospect starts getting top 5 and up hype, the microscope has to be there.

 

3.5 sacks in a 12 game season is just OK for a big-time guard prospect even if you account for the SEC. Zeitler started 4 years in the Big Ten and didn't give up a sack in college. DeCastro gave up 1. That's over the course of 40+ starts each against big time college competition, and if we're talking "best guard prospect in years and potential top 5 pick, top overall player", that is something that shouldn't be ignored.

 

I know I've been bearish on Warmack on my last couple of posts here, but let me stress that I am a fan of him and he would fit our scheme perfectly. I just think he's more of a second half of the first round kind of prospect whose hype has gotten ahead of him. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Balzer40 Walk On

Balzer40

Posted
Posted

By normal standards, he's fine- but he did give up 3.5 sacks last year, and that's not a great number for a guard once we get into nit-picking territory, and I think Chance's hype has reached the point to where that's justified. Any time a prospect starts getting top 5 and up hype, the microscope has to be there.

 

3.5 sacks in a 12 game season is just OK for a big-time guard prospect even if you account for the SEC. Zeitler started 4 years in the Big Ten and didn't give up a sack in college. DeCastro gave up 1. That's over the course of 40+ starts each against big time college competition, and if we're talking "best guard prospect in years and potential top 5 pick, top overall player", that is something that shouldn't be ignored.

 

I know I've been bearish on Warmack on my last couple of posts here, but let me stress that I am a fan of him and he would fit our scheme perfectly. I just think he's more of a second half of the first round kind of prospect whose hype has gotten ahead of him. 

 

 

 

Like I said in an earlier post, the issue is that there are a lot of good players in this draft, but IMO I wouldn't think at this point any could be considered great players. Some will turn out to be great players, but those players have just as good a chance to be drafted in the 3rd or 4th rd. as they one's picked in the 1st rd..

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Hans Moleman Walk On

Hans Moleman

Posted
Posted

Like I said in an earlier post, the issue is that there are a lot of good players in this draft, but IMO I wouldn't think at this point any could be considered great players. Some will turn out to be great players, but those players have just as good a chance to be drafted in the 3rd or 4th rd. as they one's picked in the 1st rd..

 

I agree with you. This is really the kind of draft that shows what your GM and scouting department is, or isn't, made of. I'm on board with what Grigson's done so he's got the benefit of the doubt from me, but this really is one of those years where I'm expecting at least one headscratcher from our first 3 picks because someone who's not on the fans radar at all could be just as well regarded as the names we're familiar with. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Thread of the Week

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Restinpeacesweetchloe
      Steelers Colts Predictions

      By Restinpeacesweetchloe · Posted

      It’s unfortunate when they just got their first win. If Lewis and paye can’t go we basically only have one DE. No rotation so Steelers will just wear this term down. I was do excited for this game now I am really mad. I was really looking forward to it. The offense might be able to make up for defense but not if Kelly and smith can go.
    • Boondoggle
      Is Shane Calling Plays to Win Games or to Groom AR?

      By Boondoggle · Posted

      This is where quality of your coach is so important.  And I think Shane is a quality coach to handle this situation.  Also I agree he is doing it right.  It's ugly, but he is balancing a big investment at QB with his job security which is very tough.   Running QBs often reach that point where the staff decides they are never going to learn to win from the pocket, and it is then you see the scheme revert back to college type approach and general simplicity to allow them to translate to the field.  But to get to that point you need to at least give the QB the opportunity.  Because once they do reach that point the team will usually be looking for another QB.   The way you build a perennial winner is finding a QB who can give you an edge from the pocket.  Given that, mobility and off schedule instincts are an advantage and desired.  But the latter will never trump the former because if your QB needs to be in space to see the defense and make his throws then defenses will be able to shut him down in the playoffs.  QBs like that don't win 3 or 4 games in a row against the best defenses in the league, which is required to hoist a Lombardi.   I mean look at Allen.  He developed the ability to win from the pocket.  He has had good teams around him.  He is a dominant run threat.  And he still has come up short in the playoffs.  When there are guys like him and Mahomes with rosters around them, you aren't gonna get past them with a QB who can't do the job from the pocket.
    • ADnum1
      Do you see any progress with Richardson?

      By ADnum1 · Posted

      I compared AR to Mike Vick recently but didn't get alot of reaction.   AR may never fix his accuracy issues like Vick who struggled with short and intermediate accuracy his entire career.    But Vick was a dynamic runner and could hit the deep bombs with just a flick of the wrist.   Vick resurrected a very sad Falcons franchise and I was a huge fan.   If AR became Vick 2.0 would Colts fans be happy ? I would be
    • JediXMan
      Steelers Colts Predictions

      By JediXMan · Posted

      Seems like this team gets a lot of untimely injuries that come out of nowhere. Smith and Kelly, Lewis injuries just appeared out of nowhere. None of those injuries were even mentioned after the Bears game.   Hopefully Smith and Lewis plays because that means more reps for Bryan and Freeland. 😭 
    • Restinpeacesweetchloe
      Steelers Colts Predictions

      By Restinpeacesweetchloe · Posted

      Yep. He must of woke up Thursday with it. I assume Pinter will play center if he can’t go. That tackle slot is worrisome if smith can’t go. The defense is looking ridiculously banged up.

  • Members

    • Matabix

      Matabix 490

      Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • Boondoggle

      Boondoggle 991

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • JediXMan

      JediXMan 5,065

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • SSColts

      SSColts 88

      New Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • PeterBowman

      PeterBowman 1,777

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • ADnum1

      ADnum1 3,396

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • bellevuecolt

      bellevuecolt 1

      Rookie
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • dw49

      dw49 1,417

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • richard pallo

      richard pallo 9,480

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
    • NewColtsFan

      NewColtsFan 21,921

      Senior Member
      Joined:
      Last active:
×
×
  • Create New...