Luck Era vs Manning Era

[amfootball]

he had a better game against the ravens than any other qb in the playoffs

Did you miss the second half of the SB?

 

And how is three TO's better than brady's two and Kape's one?? Not to mention he was spotted 14 points from his special teams.

[Dustin]

so Joe Montana is infinitely better than Brady

 

TIL Terry Bradshaw > Tom Brady

[jvan1973]

Did you miss the second half of the SB?

yes i did, last i checked a football game was four quarters

[amfootball]

yes i did, last i checked a football game was four quarters

and?

 

How is Manning's 3 To's better than Brady's two and Kaep's one? Forget if Luck had any. Also Manning was spotted 14 points from his special teams.

[jvan1973]

Did you miss the second half of the SB?

And how is three TO's better than brady's two and Kape's one?? Not to mention he was spotted 14 points from his special teams.

the first pick was clearly PI. give me a break. how many tds did Brady throw

[jvan1973]

and?

How is Manning's 3 To's better than Brady's two and Kaep's one? Forget if Luck had any. Also Manning was spotted 14 points from his special teams.

see above

[BleedingBlue]

Did you watch Peyton with the Broncos in the playoffs? Two picks - one for a pick six and the other to end the game in OT and a fumble and a kneel down.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you aren't skewing the facts to paint a haters view. Everyone knows Peyton beat the Ravens, but the defense gave up two huge long passes to blow that game. Its just how you view it.

 

the pick in the 6th quarter was peytons only mistake, but he should have never been in that position. Fox should have ended the game in the 4th when he had the chance. The other pick was a tipped drop that fell into the hands of a lucky CB 15 yards downfield.

 

The stats were (as someone else pointed out) pretty darn good. Much better than our QBs attempt to dismantle the Ravens. I'll take PM as my QB anytime over the next 3 years. After that, we'll see.

[amfootball]

Ok, let the excuses roll. The fumble was not his fault either I suppose.

 

No matter. The real point is judging the success of QBs and still no one has answered my question. Do you put as much stock in the regular season as the post-season? I mean in the end rings are what every org and QB gets judged by.

[Dustin]

Ok, let the excuses roll. The fumble was not his fault either I suppose.

 

No matter. The real point is judging the success of QBs and still no one has answered my question. Do you put as much stock in the regular season as the post-season? I mean in the end rings are what every org and QB gets judged by.

 

You're right. I guess that's why everbody thinks Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.

[amfootball]

You're right. I guess that's why everbody thinks Trent Dilfer is better than Dan Marino.

I am not suggesting a one hit wonder that is obvious. I am saying if a QB wins more than one ring veruses a Qb that has one ring and a bunch of stats, do you give them the same weight?

[Dustin]

I am not suggesting a one hit wonder that is obvious. I am saying if a QB wins more than one ring veruses a Qb that has one ring and a bunch of stats, do you give them the same weight?

 

I don't judge QBs by team accomplishments. 

[rockywoj]

Make the playoffs every year for the next 8 to 9 years AND win two or more Super Bowls, then the Luck era will be > than the Manning era.  Don't make the playoffs for the next 8 to 9 years consecutively, but still win two or more SuperBowls, then the Luck era will be arguably better than the Manning era.  Don't make the playoffs for the next 8 to 9 consecutive years and win one or less SuperBowl, then the Luck era will be < than the Manning era.

 

Simple.

[amfootball]

I don't judge QBs by team accomplishments. 

Are you suggesting divisional wins and league MVPs are not team accomplishments?

[Dustin]

Are you suggesting divisional wins and league MVPs are not team accomplishments?

 

Nope.

[amfootball]

Ok, then we agree. Everything when you boil it down comes down to the team so we are still left with the judging stick. Personally, I think playoff wins and SB wins count waay more than divisional titles or league MVPs...interested in what others think.

Nope.

[jvan1973]

Ok, then we agree. Everything when you boil it down comes down to the team so we are still left with the judging stick. Personally, I think playoff wins and SB wins count waay more than divisional titles or league MVPs...interested in what others think.

i forget, is Jim Plunkett in the hall of fame?

[amfootball]

no but Dan Marino would trade places with him and his two rings in a heartbeat...Jim Kelly too.

i forget, is Jim Plunkett in the hall of fame?

[jvan1973]

no but Dan Marino would trade places with him and his two rings in a heartbeat...Jim Kelly too.

both are multi millionaires. i doubt they would trade places with plunkett

[Dustin]

no but Dan Marino would trade places with him and his two rings in a heartbeat...Jim Kelly too.

 

Cris Carter would trade it for a Ring also. So I guess Brandon Stokley is better than Cris Carter.

 

Addai is better than Barry Sanders.

 

Trent Dilfer is better than Marino.

[amfootball]

pluckett is not hurting for cash. And Marino would sell his right leg for just one ring never mind two.

both are multi millionaires. i doubt they would trade places with plunkett

[amfootball]

Cris Carter would trade it for a Ring also. So I guess Brandon Stokley is better than Cris Carter.

 

Addai is better than Barry Sanders.

 

Trent Dilfer is better than Marino.

Again you are missing the whole point. This isn't about what player is better than another but what you as a fan value more - regular season success/achievements vs. post-season and SBs.

[rockywoj]

no but Dan Marino would trade places with him and his two rings in a heartbeat...Jim Kelly too.

Doubt that very much.

[subvet]

Cris Carter would trade it for a Ring also. So I guess Brandon Stokley is better than Cris Carter.

 

Addai is better than Barry Sanders.

 

Trent Dilfer is better than Marino.

It's all junk anyway, rings are highly desirable but not a qualification for greatness.

[jvan1973]

pluckett is not hurting for cash. And Marino would sell his right leg for just one ring never mind two.

giving his right leg would be a step up of being jim plunkett

[Dustin]

Tom Brady would also give his right leg:

 

[amfootball]

It's all junk anyway, rings are highly desirable but not a qualification for greatness.

In what universe?

[Dustin]

In what universe?

 

In the universe where Dan Marino is a top ten QB and a HOFer.

[subvet]

In the universe where Dan Marino is a top ten QB and a HOFer.

Yeah, what he said.....

[amfootball]

and ranked behind all the greats with rings despite having much better numbers than all of them....

In the universe where Dan Marino is a top ten QB and a HOFer.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Ok, then we agree. Everything when you boil it down comes down to the team so we are still left with the judging stick. Personally, I think playoff wins and SB wins count waay more than divisional titles or league MVPs...interested in what others think.

 

I agree with this . Division titles or League MVP is a worthless achievement if thats all accomplished IMO

 

IMO had Peyton Manning had a decent defense those 1 & done seasons would have resulted in a better team record & the QB gets all the credit or blame .

 

Andrew Luck will not have to worry " Hopefully " about a total defensive collapse every time he gets a lead .

 

To be in the big game is the top of the mountain for NFL players no matter the records or stats . After the big money the Ring is all thats left & those with out are losers .

[Dustin]

and ranked behind all the greats with rings despite having much better numbers than all of them....

Ranked by who?

[subvet]

In what universe?

Seriously, everyone on the winning team gets a ring so I'm sure there are a few non-great players wearing them.

[Valpo2004]

Seriously, everyone on the winning team gets a ring so I'm sure there are a few non-great players wearing them.

 

Doesn't everyone on the practice squad also get a ring too?

 

As well as the equipment managers and the like too?

[OlBlu]

If we build our team the way the Giants built it with Eli or the Steelers built it with Big Ben, we will win a SB in Luck's first 5-6 years.

 

That would be a team that plays more aggressive on defense and special teams, and keeps the QB in the game and gives him short field position whenever they can and enough possessions to work with.

 

 

These questions, I can safely answer:

 

1. Will we be resting starters in meaningless games like the Polian era? No
2. Will we build a more complete team on D and ST unlike the Polian era? Yes

 

Will we be lucky enough to have one good run in the playoffs in the next 5-6 years for a SB win? Probably yes. But will be lucky enough to have 2 such successful runs? You never know.

 

Peyton has had, what, about 46 4th qtr comeback wins in his NFL regular season career, but just 1 in his postseason career??? So, Luck might give us similar stats too, if his rookie year is any indication. So, I am confident the Luck era will match the Peyton era in regular season success in terms of double digit wins. But 12 wins for 7 years would be probably too much to ask.

 

Let me put it this way. Luck would have to win 10 games for about 10 seasons, 2 SBs, and 1 regular season MVP to help us have a case that Luck's era was better than Peyton's era.

 

If Luck wins 2 SBs, 0 MVPs, 10 games about 7-8 times in his career, it could end up a case of Luck being Eli or Big Ben, which would suffice for those who just want SBs, regardless of regular season record.

 

Bottom line, Luck era can be better than the Peyton era, ONLY IF HE WINS 2 SBs because it is going to be real hard to top the regular season success of Peyton.

Only 1 MVP? How about FOUR!! And perhaps it should have been five on the basis of last year. Peyton will be a contender to win that award again this year.....

[Dustin]

Doesn't everyone on the practice squad also get a ring too?

 

As well as the equipment managers and the like too?

 

The 2012 Ravens equipment managers were infinitely better than the 2012 49ers equipment managers.

[Jason_]

Ok. I say infinitely because I put waay more stock in championships than regular season wins/achievements.

 

So by that measure, both Brad Johnson's and Trent Dilfer's career success is equal to that of Peyton's?

[amfootball]

I agree with this . Division titles or League MVP is a worthless achievement if thats all accomplished IMO

 

IMO had Peyton Manning had a decent defense those 1 & done seasons would have resulted in a better team record & the QB gets all the credit or blame .

 

Andrew Luck will not have to worry " Hopefully " about a total defensive collapse every time he gets a lead .

 

To be in the big game is the top of the mountain for NFL players no matter the records or stats . After the big money the Ring is all thats left & those with out are losers .

 

 

Defensive collapses? Colts lost 24-14 and 17-3 to the Pats in 03 and 04 and then lost 21-18 to the Steelers in 2005. How exactly are those losses on the defense? And I have not even touched on the Charger losses against whom Manning routinely threw multiple picks...

[subvet]

The 2012 Ravens equipment managers were infinitely better than the 2012 49ers equipment managers.

I'm out of likes so you get an lol

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

Doesn't everyone on the practice squad also get a ring too?

 

As well as the equipment managers and the like too?

 

 

Now that's what I call high quality H2O. Did Bobby Boucher get one ? When the Saints won ?   

 

 

[Dustin]

Defensive collapses? Colts lost 24-14 and 17-3 to the Pats in 03 and 04 and then lost 21-18 to the Steelers in 2005. How exactly are those losses on the defense? And I have not even touched on the Charger losses against whom Manning routinely threw multiple picks...

 

He threw 2 picks in 2 games vs San Diego in the playoffs. He also threw 4 TDs and over 700 yards. A little research once in a while doesn't hurt.