BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Pssh. There is no media agenda. They loved 12 more than Griffin before the season started. Trust me, any other fan of a team other than the Colts/Redskins know how much these guys were talked about ad nauseum. Griffin deserved the award. I think they all have pretty good futures.Please. Even ESPN talked about how Luck was flying under the radar for being the first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 If he hadn't gotten injured against the Seahawks who knows how far that offense would have taken them. Griffin won the NFC East as a rookie...It's not hard to imagine that he's going to make some Super Bowls.The NFC east was sort of a joke this season in case u missed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Please. Even ESPN talked about how Luck was flying under the radar for being the first pick.If by under the radar you mean, " Well, enough talk about him. Now for the second pick, who isn't the next Elway, but he's pretty darn good too! The Redskins will be making the right decision!" Pfft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The NFC east was sort of a joke this season in case u missed itYeah, and that's Griffin's fault. He beat the Super Bowl defending champions whether you want to downplay it or not, outplayed Eli, Romo. The South was a bit of a joke this year too, as well as last year, if you really want to go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 If by under the radar you mean, " Well, enough talk about him. Now for the second pick, who isn't the next Elway, but he's pretty darn good too! The Redskins will be making the right decision!" Pfft.Yes , I guess they were lying, but a fan of the texans on a colts board is 100% truth pfft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Yeah, and that's Griffin's fault. He beat the Super Bowl defending champions whether you want to downplay it or not, outplayed Eli, Romo. The South was a bit of a joke this year too, as well as last year, if you really want to go there.Never said it was his fault...nor did I say the afc south was good....so I'm not sure what your point is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Yes , I guess they were lying, but a fan of the texans on a colts board is 100% truth pfftWere they lying? I think it's far too early to determine if 12 is as good as Elway. Far too early. But a Texans fan being here has absolutely no bearing on this conversation, so before you pull the next "backed-into-corner-and-I-have-no-argument" cliche, I'll say it first...troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Never said it was his fault...nor did I say the afc south was good....so I'm not sure what your point isI'm not sure what your point is either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Were they lying? I think it's far too early to determine if 12 is as good as Elway. Far too early. But a Texans fan being here has absolutely no bearing on this conversation, so before you pull the next "backed-into-corner-and-I-have-no-argument" cliche, I'll say it first...troll. Oh boy, that was clever. The ill Texan got mad and went to his room and locked the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I'm not sure what your point is either.It was a simple point...the NFC east was not that good this year. Not sure why u got your panties in a wad over a simple observation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Oh boy, that was clever. The ill Texan got mad and went to his room and locked the door.I'm not sick, and I'm actually in the livingroom, even though, again, not a particularly fitting discussion for this thread....Nice try though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It was a simple point...the NFC east was not that good this year. Not sure why u got your panties in a wad over a simple observationIt seems your panties are the ones in a wad. The South was, again, not very good this year, and even the point of one poster recently comes to mind: " Luck could have won the division this year." Griffin got it done, and he's faulted for it and all of a sudden it's a weak division. How many people predicted the Redskins would win the East here...besides me, and the Redskins fans of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It was a simple point...the NFC east was not that good this year. Not sure why u got your panties in a wad over a simple observation Weren't the Cowboys, Giants & Redskins all in a possible playoff contention till the last wk-17 game of the season?Yea..that's right. I remember... The winner of the Redskins/Cowboys wins divisionand the Giants had to beat eagles (did)and needed the Bears & Vikings to lose to get wildcard. I wouldn't call 3 playoff caliber teams a "bad & weak division" of the NFC East. If it wasn't for that terrible Redskins secondary in the first Giants game where Cruz catches a ball behind the secondary with a 1:30 left, RG3 brings the Redsins to a comeback win over the Giants and the Redskins sweep the NFC East of 6-0. Now that's impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It seems your panties are the ones in a wad. The South was, again, not very good this year, and even the point of one poster recently comes to mind: " Luck could have won the division this year." Griffin got it done, and he's faulted for it and all of a sudden it's a weak division. How many people predicted the Redskins would win the East here...besides me, and the Redskins fans of course.The afc was poor, but that has nothing to do with my point. Your appeared to make a correlation between griffin winning a down nfc east as a rookie and going to the SB......and I disagreed....nothing more nothing less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Weren't the Cowboys, Giants & Redskins all in a possible playoff contention till the last wk-17 game of the season?Yea..that's right. I remember... The winner of the Redskins/Cowboys wins divisionand the Giants had to beat eagles (did)and needed the Bears & Vikings to lose to get wildcard. I wouldn't call 3 playoff caliber teams a "bad & weak division" of the NFC East. If it wasn't for that terrible Redskins secondary in the first Giants game where Cruz catches a ball behind the secondary with a 1:30 left, RG3 brings the Redsins to a comeback win over the Giants and the Redskins sweep the NFC East of 6-0. Now that's impressive.Being in playoff contention doesn't make you a good team. I think if u ask most people three teams in the division underachieved....then again Dallas always does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The afc was poor, but that has nothing to do with my point. Your appeared to make a correlation between griffin winning a down nfc east as a rookie and going to the SB......and I disagreed....nothing more nothing lessHe had a lead against an NFC West team/Super Bowl contender in the postseason...but yes, we will just have to agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Yes , I guess they were lying, but a fan of the texans on a colts board is 100% truth pfftThe fan of the texans on a crazy board who has the biggest man crush on rg3 I've seen. Must be a younger thing obsessed with all this flash and crap. Cause in no way did rg3 ever impress me during the season. Oh look he scrambled around and ran on a defense. Slowest qb's in the nfl can do that, it's because they're converting the te's and Wr's! Luckily he is faster so he can get a few more yards along with those injuries. But hey, he has a great personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Weren't the Cowboys, Giants & Redskins all in a possible playoff contention till the last wk-17 game of the season?Yea..that's right. I remember... The winner of the Redskins/Cowboys wins divisionand the Giants had to beat eagles (did)and needed the Bears & Vikings to lose to get wildcard. I wouldn't call 3 playoff caliber teams a "bad & weak division" of the NFC East. If it wasn't for that terrible Redskins secondary in the first Giants game where Cruz catches a ball behind the secondary with a 1:30 left, RG3 brings the Redsins to a comeback win over the Giants and the Redskins sweep the NFC East of 6-0. Now that's impressive. Yes they were all in contention to make the playoffs with 9-7 and 8-8 records. Impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOTT Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The fan of the texans on a crazy board who has the biggest man crush on rg3 I've seen. Must be a younger thing obsessed with all this flash and crap. Cause in no way did rg3 ever impress me during the season. Oh look he scrambled around and ran on a defense. Slowest qb's in the nfl can do that, it's because they're converting the te's and Wr's! Luckily he is faster so he can get a few more yards along with those injuries. But hey, he has a great personality.I thought griffin was impressive and really have no problem with him winning ROY. I just think it's clear the media loves the kid...at times for littlel reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The fan of the texans on a crazy board who has the biggest man crush on rg3 I've seen. Must be a younger thing obsessed with all this flash and crap. Cause in no way did rg3 ever impress me during the season. Oh look he scrambled around and ran on a defense. Slowest qb's in the nfl can do that, it's because they're converting the te's and Wr's! Luckily he is faster so he can get a few more yards along with those injuries. But hey, he has a great personality.Ha. We all know about your black QB conspiracy theory. Man crush? It's called not being blinded by homerism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Yes they were all in contention to make the playoffs with 9-7 and 8-8 records. Impressive.Pretty impressive in the hard-hitting NFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Pretty impressive in the hard-hitting NFC. Not really. There's nothing impressive about 8-8 or 9-7 regardless of conference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Not really. There's nothing impressive about 8-8 or 9-7 regardless of conference.If it's for playoff contention, then yeah, it is. Records don't tell the whole story sometimes when it comes to talent. Eli and Romo, two media darlings, didn't go anywhere and had all of their weapons healthy. No philosophical changes on defense either. At least 9-7 is actually a winning record though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 · Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal shot Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal shot Ha. We all know about your black QB conspiracy theory. Man crush? It's called not being blinded by homerism.. Pull your pants up kid. Nobody wants to see your poop stains Link to comment
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 If it's for playoff contention, then yeah, it is. Records don't tell the whole story sometimes when it comes to talent. Eli and Romo, two media darlings, didn't go anywhere and had all of their weapons healthy. No philosophical changes on defense either. No it's not. It's the sign of a weak division when a division winner can win with a 9-7 or 8-8 record. Talent ≠ a good team. If it did then Dallas would have won the last 5 Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Superman Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 If not for the strong running game and veteran offense of the skins Luck would have ran away with this award. He played with a bunch of rookies and a horrible line.. Don't worry Luck will get the rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 · Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument .Pull your pants up kid. Nobody wants to see your poop stainsAh, another backed-into-corner argument. Kudos, sir. I expected nothing less from you. Move along, now. Do your homework. Link to comment
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 No it's not. It's the sign of a weak division when a division winner can win with a 9-7 or 8-8 record. Talent ≠ a good team. If it did then Dallas would have won the last 5 Super Bowls.Dallas is not that talented. They have talented but not that good to expect that many SBs lol. Manning made the most of his talent last year and did not this year. Nor did the Eagles. Griffin did. Still doesn't mean it's a weak division, as evidenced by the last game of the season, the East is still a very competitive division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Dallas is not that talented. They have talented but not that good to expect that many SBs lol. Manning made the most of his talent last year and did not this year. Nor did the Eagles. Griffin did. Still doesn't mean it's a weak division, as evidenced by the last game of the season, the East is still a very competitive division. Yep the last game of the season where Dallas couldn't muster up 2 Tds vs one of the worst defenses in the league and RG3 couldn't throw for 100 yards is a great example at what a powerhouse division the East is. The east is easily the most overrated division in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 · Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Ah, another backed-into-corner argument. Kudos, sir. I expected nothing less from you.Backed into a corner? Lol, far from it youngster. "They" have been talking about changing the way the qb position is played for a long long time. Back when you was still running around in your diapers. It's a shame this day and age is to be cool its about wearing pants sagging whether that be skinny jeans or baggy and listening to C"rap" music. I don't want the nfl turning into a joke the NBA is. Link to comment
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Yep the last game of the season where Dallas couldn't muster up 2 Tds vs one of the worst defenses in the league and RG3 couldn't throw for 100 yards is a great example at what a powerhouse division the East is. The east is easily the most overrated division in the league.Who would you exactly qualify as a "competitve division"? Certainly none of the ones in the AFC. NFC West has two bottom feeders, as does the NFC South, the North weren't impressive this year either. At least the teams in the East kept it competitive till the last game of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Who would you exactly qualify as a "competitve division"? Certainly none of the ones in the AFC. NFC West has two bottom feeders, as does the NFC South, the North weren't impressive this year either. At least the teams in the East kept it competitive till the last game of the season. A bunch of overrated teams vs a bunch of overrated teams, of course it's going to be competitive and entertaining to watch them struggle. The AFC North is the best division in the AFC. They could send 3 teams to the playoffs on any given year. The NFC North is easily the best division in the league. The Colts went 3-1 against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 · Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Backed into a corner? Lol, far from it youngster. "They" have been talking about changing the way the qb position is played for a long long time. Back when you was still running around in your diapers. It's a shame this day and age is to be cool its about wearing pants sagging whether that be skinny jeans or baggy and listening to C"rap" music. I don't want the nfl turning into a joke the NBA is. And your prejudice shines through again...wth are you talking about, I ask again? Look at the QB for the 49ers...it's been changing, whether you like it or not. I don't know who "they" are, but you seem to be paranoid about something. The NFL is nothing like the NBA, and rap and baggy pants aren't related to running QBs at all. What are you getting at here? Link to comment
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 A bunch of overrated teams vs a bunch of overrated teams, of course it's going to be competitive and entertaining to watch them struggle. The AFC North is the best division in the AFC. They could send 3 teams to the playoffs on any given year. The NFC North is easily the best division in the league. The Colts went 3-1 against them.Oh, you mean the division with the self-imploding Bears, the resurgent Vikings (carried by a single player, Adrian Peterson) and the Packers with their suspect defense? And I don't even want to mention the Lions...that's three bad teams, or, if we're going by this year alone, three bad teams this year, with the Vikings barely managing to squeak into the postseason, where they were shown to be the true team that they are. The AFC North is good, but again, going by this year...Steelers were not impressive. The Bengals played well but went down easily, again, against a good team in the PS. The Ravens are good but they did not play well for a stretch of time in the season. And the Browns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Oh, you mean the division with the self-imploding Bears, the resurgent Vikings (carried by a single player, Adrian Peterson) and the Packers with their suspect defense? And I don't even want to mention the Lions...that's three bad teams, or, if we're going by this year alone, three bad teams this year, with the Vikings barely managing to squeak into the postseason, where they were shown to be the true team that they are. The AFC North is good, but again, going by this year...Steelers were not impressive. The Bengals played well but went down easily, again, against a good team in the PS. The Ravens are good but they did not play well for a stretch of time in the season. And the Browns... Ok so what you're saying is that a Division with teams that went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8, and 4-12 is better than a division that went 11-5, 10-6, 10-6, and 4-12 and had 2 playoff teams. I see where you are coming from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 · Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument And your prejudice shines through again...wth are you talking about, I ask again? Look at the QB for the 49ers...it's been changing, whether you like it or not. I don't know who "they" are, but you seem to be paranoid about something. The NFL is nothing like the NBA, and rap and baggy pants aren't related to running QBs at all. What are you getting at here?All flash no substance. Kind of like your posting. And everything Texas related... Link to comment
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Ok so what you're saying is that a Division with teams that went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8, and 4-12 is better than a division that went 11-5, 10-6, 10-6, and 4-12 and had 2 playoff teams. I see where you are coming from now. AFC NFC...we all know how that goes. I would be slobbering at the mouth facing teams like the Browns, Chiefs, Chargers if I was an NFL player...we all learned that playing great against sub-par opposition won't help you much in the playoffs when the Broncos played the Ravens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 · Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument Hidden by Nadine, February 3, 2013 - personal argument All flash no substance. Kind of like your posting. And everything Texas related...Still don't see what sagging pants and rap have to do with Griffin's flash. The Manning brothers have flash. Arian Foster has flash. Nothing wrong with it.Again, picking at my statehood isn't helping your pitiful argument in any way. There's plenty of substance down here, brochacho. My posts are much more credible than yours too, it seems. Link to comment
Dustin Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 AFC NFC...we all know how that goes. I would be slobbering at the mouth facing teams like the Browns, Chiefs, Chargers if I was an NFL player...we all learned that playing great against sub-par opposition won't help you much in the playoffs when the Broncos played the Ravens. Well that "hard-hitting" competition sure didn't help the Redskins in the playoffs either so what's your point? Yeah he won a weak division congrats to him on somehow overcoming the adversity of beating the 8-8 giants and 4-12 Eagles. How did he do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwiz Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Well that "hard-hitting" competition sure didn't help the Redskins in the playoffs either so what's your point? Yeah he won a weak division congrats to him on somehow overcoming the adversity of beating the 8-8 giants and 4-12 Eagles. How did he do it?By nearly sweeping the division if not for one botched defensive play. Wow, do you feel good degrading other QBs achievements in order to make you feel better about your own? Give credit where credit is due. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts