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  1. 1 minute ago, SteelCityColt said:

     

    They can but Foles was a weird situation, he wasn't their "starter". Flacco won it, but then look at the damage having an overpaid average QB did to the Ravens after it. 

     

    The aim isn't just to win one and be done. The aim is to build a team that can compete year in, year out. 

     

    AGAIN, I'm not saying I know Brissett can't be a Franchise guy, but I'm not ready to crown him, and there are some very worrying aspects to his play for a QB of his experience. 

    I am right there with you.  I think you treat the QB position like you do every other position.  You are always looking for an upgrade if ones out there.  It will be hard to find because you are only talking about to close to 15 guys who would be an upgrade over Brissett but it’s not impossible.


  2. 25 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

    This. Everyone acts like he has three all pros as WR. He made some good throws against the chiefs when needed. He still had three TD without TY against the raiders. 

    He also threw the game sealing pick 6.  I would agree that Brissett wasn’t close to the biggest issue in the Raiders game either.  The drops and the lines getting owned on both sides of the ball were much bigger problems in that game than Jacoby.  Anyone who tries to put that loss squarely on Brissett’s shoulders is wrong.


  3. 28 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    I think it is reasonable to say that JB can be as good as Nick Foles and Joe Flacco. Given the team and coaching he has right now. They both won SB's. JB will never be Andrew Luck but he may not have to be if our team keeps improving. 

    Flacco and Foles are exactly who I think of when I think of Brissett and both QBs have shown if you put the right team around them they can win the big one.  

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  4. 24 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

    That INT was not caused by staring down the WR. It was a bad throw. All he had to do was loft it up there higher and Ebron had a TD. It was the right read.

    Actually it was caused by him staring him down and a bad throw.  Even if it’s just the later it’s still on him and it’s not like it’s some how ok because it was just a bad throw.  

     

    I didn’t object to it being the right read but when you stair the guy down and then make a poor throw the fact it was the right read goes out the window.  

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  5. 27 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    Ok I see it now lmao . I think when some say a QB beat so and so that is just force of habit. I even do it sometimes because it is the QB. Like Manning beat Brady for example haha 

    Maybe.  I was just objecting to the idea because this wasn’t some epic QB duel like Manning and Brady used to have.  With that said, I think you and me are pretty much on the same page.  I like Brissett I want him to do well and keep developing but the extremes that’s fans keep posting on both ends of him get tiring.  

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  6. 8 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:

    Didn’t Brissett score the only TD in the chiefs game. 

    Yes he did.  Brissstt also gave up points by staring down a receiver and throwing a pick in the redzone.  So If you want to play the he scored the only TD game you have to acknowledge the mistake he made too.  

     

    I am not calling for Brissett to be replaced.  I am saying he’s exactly what the Colts asked him to be, a game manager, and that’s fine.  Let’s just stop over inflating him due to blind loyalty.  That’s just as bad as calling for him to be replaced because people want to be right about saying he’s not the answer.

    2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    Has anyone said JB beat the Chiefs by himself? If so I did not read those posts. Our defense and running game mostly won the game. All I have really said is JB played well enough to win and he didn't screw things up. He does deserve credit for that at least.

    Yes.  The post I first quoted that you first responded too said he beat Chiefs.  I agree with you on most of your points.  

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  7. 1 hour ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

     

    Because the officials have to get it right on the field.  NY has shown they are not going to set a precedent for re-officiating OPI or DPI penalties. Unless...

     

     

    I think that is a part of it, yes.

     

     

    Yeah, but not going to happen.

     

     

    {Chris Ballard voice on}

     

    Look, the owners knew something had to be done about the horrific non call in the playoff game. But they didn't want to give Carte Blanche to coaches and have multiple stoppages within the last 2 minutes of each half. So coaches only get to challenge within the first 28 minutes, with booth review only in the last 2. And this 'refinement' (not a new rule) is only a temporary one year trial.

     

    {Chris Ballard voice off}

     

    From what I gather, the inherently subjective question of whether an opponent was significantly hindered while trying to catch a pass is at the root. Riveron was told to elevate the bar to overturn the on field ruling.

     

    "There’s a line of thinking within the league office that favors a simple approach to determining whether to put a (red) flag on the field: If you have to slow down the video to determine whether a pass interference occurred, don’t change the ruling on the field of no interference."

     

    That’s exactly how it was intended to be” one source explained."

     

    So the evolving question is determining the correct placement of the unclear line between the Rams-Saints NFC Championship blatant fail, versus the slow-motion invasion of the full-speed judgment exercised by the officials in real time on the field. That will be a 'tweak', not a big change. And it means if the HC isn't confident to throw his red flag immediately after the play, without waiting for his guys upstairs to see it in slo-mo and tell him, then just keep it in your pocket and save the timeout.

     

    But the owners goal this spring was get something in place in the rules where the league could address a situation like the completely egregious Rams/Saints debacle, but have minimal impact otherwise.

     

     

     

     

    The thing is they aren’t overturning plays where you don’t even have to slow down the video.  They just aren’t doing it.  They don’t like the rule so they aren’t going to enforce it in hopes that teams stop challenging it.  I think that’s how Goodell wants it or else he would do something, it doesn’t mean I have to agree with it.


  8. 1 hour ago, CantBeStopped said:

    It was more a response to the person that said some on here would rather keep brissett even if luck wanted to come back. I just didn't quote them

    Fair enough and yeah if Luck called tomorrow and said hey I want to comeback Brissett is gong back to the backup role.


  9. 1 hour ago, Chloe6124 said:

    Didn’t JB throw a pass to Hilton that was 3rd and 22 to Hilton then in fourth down to DF in that chargers game. Last I checked it was JB who threw the TD to tie that game. He also threw the TD in the Titans game to give us the lead. Ended the falcons game with a pass to Doyle. I think he had a little bit to do with those wins also. Don’t sell him short. 

    And that has what to do with the KC game?  Don’t over inflate what he did either and sell the running game and defense short.

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  10. 1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

    I think most people are just saying if the QB plays bad, a team does not normally win which is pretty obvious. JB isn't going to throw for a lot of yards in most games because we are now a run 1st offense. Troy Aikman is a great example of having average to above average stats when Dallas were winning SB's. They were a run 1st offense with Smith getting 100 yards a game. Having said that almost every week people praised Troy because all he did was win. There were games where Troy had like 175 yards 1 TD and no INT's and Dallas still won but yet ESPN was all over his jockstrap. 

     

    IMO, I think there are a few in here that want to see JB fail so they can say told you so. Those same people want to draft a QB already or have Chad Kelly start after 5 games lmao . You can call that extreme all you want but I can only go by what some people post.  

     

    I am pro JB as of now, simply because he looks like a legit starter to me and we are 3-2 as a team. The team chemistry just looks great with him in there. I will have to see if I think the same way in about 2 months or so.

    I don’t disagree with this.  I just object to the idea of saying Brissett beat the Chiefs.  He didn’t, the Colts did. It’s not like they won 45-42 shoot out in which Brissett threw for 400 yards and 5 TDs.  

     

    With that said Brissett isn’t be asked to do that, he’s being asked to do what he’s doing, manage the game.  Which is fine.  As you pointed out, and I agree with you on, this has become a run first team.

     

    I would also agree there are people who are just looking for him to fail because they have already decided he isn’t the answer.  I also think there are people who overlook any legit flaw in Brissett’s game and attack anyone who dares to question him.  The truth is Brissett is a middle of the road to lower end NFL starter.  Again, that’s not a knock on him the Colts could be in a lot worse of a position at the QB spot than they are.  It’s just what he is and it’s what Reich expected him to be which is why he called him a top 20 QB.  

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  11. 10 hours ago, NFLfan said:

    Big loss by Georgia earlier. How will that affect Notre Dame? If ND wins out the rest of the way, can they make the playoffs?

    That loss did more to hurt Notre Dame than Georgia.  If Georgia wins the SEC they get in along with Alabama unless something strange happens to Bama between now and then.  If Ohio State and Clemson don’t stub their toe that leaves ND on the outside looking in even if they run the table.  Honestly, it would be better for ND if Georgia were to lose again and eliminate them from the playoff hunt completely but then Florida and LSU are going to be in the running.  

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  12. Indianapolis struggles to support the three pro teams (Colts, Pacers, and Fever) they have at times.  I don’t know if they could support a fourth team but I have a feeling if they do get a fourth team it’s going to be a MLS team rather than NHL team.  The city has really embraced the 11 and they are trying badly to be a MLS team.  For the record I am not a soccer fan in the slightest and have never been to an 11 game and would much rather watch hockey than soccer.  I am just saying what I see.


  13. 10 hours ago, Superman said:

     

    The point though is that just because a team has a winning record doesn't mean they have good QB play. I can give historical examples of this paradox, but I don't think I need to. 

     

    By the way, I think the team as a whole is playing "okay." The KC game was excellent, especially on defense, but I remember the defense being shredded by the Raiders in the first half, by the Falcons in the second half, and by the Chargers for solid stretches. I remember the run game being off schedule against the Raiders, and the offense going 5/14 on third down against the Chiefs. 

    I fully agree with this.  It’s why they are 3-2.  They are good enough to play with any team in the league if they play well but they are also bad enough to get beat by any team in the league if they are off.  

     

    People are reacting to the KC game as if that’s how they have played all season and forget just a week before that people were questioning everything about the team after the Raiders game.  

     

    This team has talent for sure but they are very young and inexperienced and like most teams like that they are inconsistent.  There are going to be growing pains along the way but there are going to be moments like the KC game as well where you see what they are fully capable of.

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  14. On 10/11/2019 at 8:35 PM, ColtsBlueFL said:

    Al Riveron and the league are setting the bar high. Really high. The rule was created for unbelievably blown calls, not re-officiating close calls. If it somewhat close in real time, hold the red flag and keep the timeout. It's not getting reversed.  It has to be committed early and truly apparent (to everyone) the receiver was moved out sorts to a point a completion was minimized.

    The problem is they aren’t overturning the obvious calls either.  They don’t like this rule because they don’t like that coaches can challenge a judgement call.  Personally I think Goodell should go to Riveron and say enforce the rule or I will find someone who will.  With that said, Goodell’s lack of comments on this speaks volumes.  It tells me Riveron is doing what Goodell wants which is unfortunate.


  15. On 10/10/2019 at 10:40 AM, gspdx said:

     

    Could I sue the union for "backing" the guy that assaulted me in that case since the union is doing nothing to protect me?  The argument can go both ways.  If the guy assaulted someone he could easily be outside the union's protection.  

     

    I am not saying I am right or anyone else is wrong - but there are many sides to these kinds of situations.

    They aren’t saying what he did to Doyle was ok.  They are saying the NFL was too heavy handed with their punishment.  That’s the difference and again that’s what unions do.  They represent their members to their employers.  That’s who they have the issue with, not the other union member who happens to be involved.


  16. On 10/10/2019 at 3:32 AM, SteelCityColt said:

    I don't want to be cynical.. but it is a contract year :P

     

    I'm not so sure he's a late bloomer as such, more as you correctly point out he's now got an All Pro guard to work with, and a half decent center. Not Samson "Head Bob" Satele. 

    Do people ever stop think maybe his play helps big Q as well and it’s not just Big Q helping him?  Don’t get me wrong Big Q is a monster but playing next to a really good left tackle has made him better.  Let’s also not forget the line struggled the first four games last year when AC was out.  His first game back the line become monsters.  I don’t think that’s just a happy accident.  

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  17. 6 hours ago, Rebel said:

    If you spent your childhood in a locker room, then why are you so attached to Brissett? You should be able to recognize talent.

    Because Brissett isn’t as bad as you want him to be.  He also isn’t as great as some others make him out to be.  He’s a game manager.  He’s not elite but he’s not Curtis Painter either.  He’s a middle of the pack to lower end NFL starter which is about what he was projected to be when Reich said he was a top 20 QB.  You can win with that in the NFL if you develop the right kind of team around him.  That’s what the Colts are trying to do.  The Ravens, Bucs, early Brady Pats teams, and the Eagles have all used that formula to win Super Bowls.  It can be done.  

     

    Can the Colts upgrade over Brissett?  Sure but it’s going to be hard to do and if Kelly really had that kind of talent he’d be on someone’s roster right now.  Don’t believe me the Jets just cut the kid whose been starting while Darnold was out because he was awful.  If they even thought there was a chance Chad Kelly could be an elite QB he would have been there.  Samething with the Bengals, Vikings, or Steelers who are starting an undrafted rookie this week and badly need a succession plan to Ben.  

     

    The Colts could also do a lot worse than Brissett, have any interest in watching Kirk Cousins, Andy Dalton, or Luke Falk try to be the Colts QB?  Honestly, given his salary the Colts are in better shape at QB than a team like the Bears or Vikings that have committed big money to guys who just aren’t very good.  Should they be able to get someone better than can move on from Jacoby fairly easily but they are also protected for this year and next if they can’t.  

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  18. 5 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

    Everyone assumes we are running it so much because JB  can’t get it down field. In actuality it’s more about exploiting your opponents weakness and using our strength.  We are close to the top in yards per drive which means we are getting it downfield. Every TD Is worth the same amount of points. It doesn’t matter how you get there.

    Actually I assume they run so much because it’s the strength of the team and that has nothing to do with the QB.  

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  19. 4 hours ago, CantBeStopped said:

    We'd be the 3rd undefeated team if luck was the QB. I'd drop brissett in a heartbeat if luck decided he wanted to play again

    I think most agree that Luck is better than Brissett but what does that have to do with Kelly since that’s what this thread is about?


  20. On 10/10/2019 at 7:10 PM, Defjamz26 said:

    That was a lot too read sheesh.

     

    But I’ll respond by saying that no one is saying Ballard is a bad drafter, but there have been some misses, particularly early on. In 2017 Wilson and Basham. The 2nd and 3rd round picks respectively. Mack looks like a steal though.

     

    2018 was phenomenal. His first 3 picks were all starters who played at a high level and two were All-Pro. However the jury is still out on Turray and Lewis who were 2nd rounders. Lewis doesn’t seem like he’ll ever be anything special when he’s healthy, but that’s just my opinion. 

     

    2019 class is all rookies and so far we’ve seen little return on the first 3 picks (Rock, Banogu, And Campbell), but that’s to be expected to some degree. The production has surprisingly come from Okereke and Willis.

     

    The biggest knock is the lack of attention to the interior defensive line. He’s drafted Stewart who is solid depth and Lewis who is often injured, undersized, And doesn’t look to be special.

    I’ll admit I am not Wilson’s biggest fan but I think it’s too early to call him a bust.  He might just be a late bloomer as he’s playing a lot this year.  

     

    I think the bigger thing here is that his homerruns way out number his misses which is the reverse of what they had in Grigson.  All GMs have misses.  The thing that makes someone a good GM is to make sure you don’t have a string of misses.  It’s tell that even if you count Wilson as a miss that Ballard has almost as many misses in two as guys left on the roster that Grigson drafted, three.  


  21. 2 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:

    Not really lol. Didn’t he just beat the chiefs.  We will have a better idea after 16 games and when we get all our WR healthy.

    The Colts beat the Chiefs.  Not one player.  The credit in that game mostly goes to the defense, the o-line, and Mack.  They didn’t beat them on Brissett’s right arm.  Like Superman said this week people need to stop associating team success with good QB play.  You can have one with out the other.  

     

    Brissett did what I expect him to do in most games against KC.  He managed the game.  That’s not a bad thing but it’s what he is.  It’s what he’s been every game this season outside of the Falcons game.  The strength of this team is the oline and the running game.  They will go as far as those things can carry them.  That’s not a knock on Jacoby because this team isn’t built for him to carry them so they aren’t going to ask him too.  

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