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Prophet Manasseh - my new best friend.
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Grunge did not kill hair Metal: debunking the myth.
You've probably heard this myth your whole life how Grunge "killed hair metal" but I'm going to explain why that is a myth and more than anything a marketing creation to promote Grunge bands (specifically Nirvana).
Let's go back to the final years of the 80's and the early 90's. Hair Metal or "Pop Metal" or "Glam Metal" (whatever you want to call it) had just about run it's course in general...
By hair metal; this is a reference to bands such as Cinderella, Ratt, Poison, Warrant, Motley Crue, Bon Jovi, Loverboy, Honeymoon Suite, L.A. Guns and soooooooo many others.
At the height of the glam metal phase, most of the heavyweights of Metal who had been already established for some time and widely considered cornerstone bands of the genre eventually adapted to glam metal to sell more records. Judas Priest for instance released the album 'Turbo' 1986. Ozzy Osbourne also released a glam based album in that same year called 'The Ultimate Sin'. Unless you are a big fan of one or the other, these albums are mostly forgotten from their catalogs. 1986 was the height of glam rock, but it was beginning to fade out by 1990.
Going into the 1990's, most hair metal bands were left standing on their last leg and things did not look good for them; Poison was beginning to break up due to guitarist C.C. Deville's cocaine problems worsening over time, and Bret Michaels was beginning to develop the rock star ego or what is often called 'lead singer god complex'. Ratt was in trouble due to Robin Crosby's heroin addiction and more than anything, the band could never top their mega hit of 'Round and Round'. Warrant was getting sick after lead singer Jamie Lane had ate too much 'Cherry Pie' and the band lost it's minds, and using them as an example; most of these bands and the L.A. glam scene had become a caricature parody of their former selves.
There was also the underground "Thrash/Speed Metal" scene that began in the 80's, and bands like Megadeth, Metallica, Slayer and Anthrax arguably had something to do with this, cause they were beginning to peak in popularity going into the 90's.
My point here is, most of these bands were already on life support before Nirvana even came out and grunge was marketed to the forefront. There were various underground scenes that were beginning to take over and could've easily been picked up and marketed by the music industry. Kurt Cobain admitted before that he got most of his ideas from the Pixies and Sonic Youth, who were big in the underground grunge of the 80's (R.E.M. also was a big underground band in the 80's with that "indie" sound that grunge is associated with, more proof that Nirvana did not create grunge). But further note; these glam bands were about to fizzle out regardless due to all their problems.
Heavy Metal was still a force by the time Grunge came out; the 'Thrash' or 'Speed Metal' bands (Whatever you prefer to call them) of the 80's were beginning to enjoy great success in the mainstream: Metallica's self titled 'black' album sold millions of records and to this day is one of the highest selling albums in lists. In 1992, Megadeth's single 'Symphony of the Destruction' hit #2 on the Billboard 200 chart and the album 'Countdown to Extinction' is their highest selling record of that decade; Anthrax's album 'Sound of White Noise' debuted at #7 on the Billboard Top 200 albums (an album they made without their lead singer from the 80's). And of course, the last surviving L.A. scene glam band going into the 90's was Guns N Roses and they were still selling millions of records during the height of Grunge. In 1993, Guns N Roses released 'The Spaghetti Incident'. The album debuted at #4 on the Billboard Top 200 charts. That is an album that is mostly forgotten about, but it hit #4 and sold millions upon it's initial release. GNR is also an example of how self-destructive the glam bands were going into the 90's with drug problems and feuds with band members, setting up the table for their own destruction.
In 1994, while Grunge was still the main force to be reckoned with, Motley Crue released a self titled album without singer Vince Neil that managed to peak at #7 on the Billboard Top 200 chart.
So no, Grunge and Nirvana did not outright kill Hair Metal. It was already dying by the time they came around.
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["Record companies stopped developing bands and artists, and instead began to search for what would be an instant homerun with a debut album in sales. I blame Nirvana on that. Originally, selling around 150,000 was considered a great success and bands could make it and live comfortably with those numbers. After the explosive hit with these Grunge bands on just the debut album alone, the benchmark was raised beyond that, and if a band couldn't sell at least 200,000 copies, then the album was considered a failure."]
So true Bogie. Labels in the early 90's demanded success right out of the gate now. Instead of allowing bands to find their sound or niche over say 2 albums before the company expected growth from the group of a substantial nature. By that I mean, touring to find your loyal devoted audience meant more than radio station play & mainstream Billboard success.
If a band finds the right independent label that gives the artist time to perfect their sound, they've got a shot. But, most major labels view success now based solely on iTunes downloads over the 1st couple of months which doesn't foster creativity longterm.
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["You mentioned Neil's solo effort 'Exposed'. I own a copy of this album. Been many, many years since I last listened to it, but I'm pretty sure that his guitar player on that album was Steve Stevens, who you may know for doing guitar work on Michael Jackson's 'Bad' album. It's been ages since I listened to it but I overall remember his guitar work being pretty good on the 'Exposed' record. Stevens was one of those working studio guitar players of the 80's who was always great on whatever he did.
I might dig out my copy of 'Exposed' and listen to it this coming week. Been many years since I last heard it, I think you may have just inspired me."]Yes, I'm well versed in Steve Stevens riffs & fingering on guitar necks. He worked with Billy Idol too. Steve's solos meshed nicely with Vince Neil's voice as well. That Exposed record sounded more like Motley Crue-ish than Nikki Sixx & Tommy Lee did that yr which was released in 1993.
Favorite track on that album: You Can't Change Me. Spanish guitar vibe intro always appeals to me I guess. See..
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["Iron Maiden released that god awful album 'No Prayer For The Dying' and practically became a joke of themselves (Holy Smoke!!!). Then they released 'Fear of the Dark' which I know the title track is widely popular (and seriously, the only good song on the whole record), but that album was even worse than No Prayer for the Dying. I don't think most people have listened to it all the way through to remember how bad it was...Then Bruce Dickinson quit the band, they got a new singer and released some albums in the 90's that no one remembers."]
I agree with everything you said about 'No Prayer For The Dying' an atrocious album indeed. My favorite studio album with Bruce & the boys is hands down 'Somewhere In Time' released in 1986 with classics like "Stranger In A Strange Land," Heaven Can Wait, & my sentimental favorite "Wasted Years." I never get tired of that track. Gotta hear it on guitar like pronto now. Checkout this woman known as Six string Kitty giving this song it's metal dues:
It's a travesty that Iron Maiden is still absent from the Rock & Roll HOF man.
I also have a soft spot for "Seventh Son Of The Seventh Son" too. One of the most challenging & creative percussion arrangements ever created.
Nicko McBrain rocks!
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Happy Birthday Jules!!!
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We just witnessed two of the greatest championships in both the NBA and NFL. The two best players of both sports mounting amazing comebacks. So happy I lived to witness...Enjoy these memories while you have them, cause it won't last forever. Hands down, the best Super Bowl I ever seen. Hats off to Brady, he is officially the best quarterback I have ever seen and I'll defend him to the end. Hats off to LeBron, no one deserved it more than Cleveland last year.
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With NFL season just 1 week away, I'm still heavily anticipating the NBA season beginning, and watching Cleveland drop that banner on opening week.
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Yeah throughout most of the Kobe era you could play Zone Defense which means doubling and tripling teaming a player was legal. Back when Jordan played in his prime you could only double or triple team for a couple of seconds, any longer it was considered Illegal Defense and a Technical Foul. The NBA was more physical when Jordan, Magic, and Bird played in their prime years but I think it has been tougher for a player to dominate a game pretty much throughout the Kobe era because of Zone being allowed. Regarding the Warriors, them signing Durant isn't fair. They have great enough Coaching IMO to avoid chemistry issues, Kerr will figure it out. Curry's minutes will be watched this upcoming season as well because they now have Durant. The Spurs are really the only team that maybe can give them a scare in the West IMO. Clippers choke every season and cant even get out of the 1st Round most of the time and the Blazers aren't ready for the bigtime. You cant hate the Warriors all you want like I do the Patriots but unfortunately they will be great again.
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I always knew about the rule changes on defense, but seeing direct comparisons from now to then was kinda mind boggling to me. I mean in a video with it all broken down so easily to see.
It was more physical then, but I think I might prefer it now since it has a more fluid pace with more passing and just seems more like you have to think on the court and not just plow around.
Kobe IMO might be the best vs. the zone defense we have seen, maybe. There are several out there but he really peaked in that era. The Lakers didn't seem to need Shaq as much after the rule changes if you ask me and the dominant big man became more neutralized a bit.
And after thinking about this, with the rule changes......it is tough to compare now to then with eras too.
Oh I know the Warriors won't go away lol. I just am curious to see how they gel and also how this all kinda operates, there is only one ball on the court. Curry has to stay healthy too but then again I still think they were slightly worried about his injuries too and feel they need more scoring at times.
People forget too the Durant contract I think is only two years and I think he can even leave after a year if something happened.
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Watching the old Star Wars films for the 10 millionth time....this is perhaps, the greatest moment of Vader
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Yeah, I'm a bit of a Star Wars nerd myself. CBE, speaking of Return Of The Jedi, that was the coolest movie experience I ever had in the theatre because the whole crowd went awe when the baby ewok popped it's head out of the basket & cheered loudly when the 2nd Death Star blew up on screen. I got goose bumps from the collective bonding session.
I've never experienced anything like that before in my life as a movie goer & sadly, I probably never will again. It was so surreal & unforgettable.
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Rest In Peace BB King. It's a sad day for us. I will be playing Cook County Jail all day today
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Thanks Notre Dame for proving once and for all you had no business being in the championship or ranked #1 at that. Roll Tide Roll.
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The bowl games were crap, you're not going to get an argument that they weren't from me. Notre Dame had NO business what so ever being in that game. I wanted Oregon, at least they would have put up a better fight. Watch when the playoffs turns into SEC teams vs SEC teams all the way to the top. Everyone with a brain knew Alabama was going to beat Notre Dame into the ground.
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R.I.P. Lauren Bacall
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Yes, sometimes this world can be very depressing. Please hang around Bogie. I'd miss not having music & movie discussions with you my friend.
It always bums me out when people I really enjoy are no longer here. It still blows losing Williams & Bacall so close together because it feels like part of your youth dies with their final departure.
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Rain, rain come our way, make these stupid fireworks go away!
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Don't know what I would do with myself without these Fire Emblem games. The music is so awesome
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Playing my new copy of Abbey Road to celebrate the Beatles, still their best album IMO
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I don't like the printing machines but the printing machines like me
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Industrial day: Ministry, Skinny Puppy, NIN, and Rammstien. Who says I can't rock out?
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Cover Time: What's your favorite version of the Motown hit "Money (That's What I Want)"?
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Lionel Richie just doesn't sound like Lionel Richie anymore. At least the Commodores albums still sound good from the 70's.
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SOUL POWER THURSDAY - James Brown, Marvin Gaye, B.B. King, Michael Jackson, Prince, Muddy Waters - Can we get anymore soul on the radio today than that?
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Who's going to see the new James Brown movie?
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I will wait to see this James Brown King Of Soul movie on DVD as well. Bogie is right though. We appear to be a motion picture pattern of Marvel graphic novels film adaptations right now almost to the point of over saturation like a wet wash cloth that you cannot ring the water out of. Yes, I recently saw "Guardians Of The Galaxy," but if actress Zoe Saldana wasn't in it; I would have never seen it.
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Happy Birthday Marilyn Monroe
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Random 80's music moment - Madonna wasn't the first to make "Shoo Be Doo" dancy awesomeness
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I hope they make another Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic game eventually.
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Discogs needs to make a sister site for a catalog database on video game collections and a sister site for movies.
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It's May 4th, so time for a Star Wars marathon! So many great old games to choose from, I don't know where to begin!
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Speaking of tragic......this is one of my personal favorite classical pieces but I didn't use it too long for skating since it was TOUGH. I only used it for 4 months and it was near the end before I retired and was trying the highest level in competitions. It's advanced calculus for figure skating music and I had to move and skate so fast with footwork/spins and elements I almost passed out once when I was done.
Starting at :35 is when the music gets tough.
When Britney said "work b***ch" this is what she means for skating to classical music.
Vivaldi kicked so much butt though.
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Cavs rings are going to look beautiful
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How the Browns made Super Bowl LI happen....
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I liked that this video focused in on the Bills/Giants Super Bowl, and most Cleveland fans tend to be extremely bitter over BB's success with New England. Hard to blame them though, they had to deal with the worst owner in the league at the same time too.
Funny story too about Bernie Kosar. Kosar was never the same again after Modell fired Schottenheimer after '88 and he suffered that shoulder injury. He set the record for most passes without an interception in the 1990 season, but Kosar did not look like the same QB without his coach and that one injury did more to his arm than anything after.