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  1. So happy Bama lost. As payback, the Pats can win it all now or Dallas. i don't care. You rarely can have it both, so I'll compromise out of sake of Bama losing. :goodluck:

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    2. 2006Coltsbestever

      2006Coltsbestever

      All fair points but I think getting a Ring for a QB is much harder than it is for a Superstar Basketball player who has control on what happens on every possession. Dan Marino is major proof of this. The guy never had a Great Defense his whole career, hence 0 Rings. Warren Moon same thing. A QB can only control what happens on Offense. You named a few QB's that have won without being Great/at least Very Good but it doesn't happen much. What 4 or 5 times in 50 SB's. I also disagree that Denver wins the SB without Peyton last season, they would've never got by the Patriots without him  and with Brock, even Peyton haters admit this. Regarding LeBron winning 3 Rings, I think it's a Great accomplishment but when everyone is comparing you to Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson than the expectation to win 5 or 6 is just there. Most people in the media put LeBron in their Category and even put him above Kobe and Bird so he should win more IMO. He also didn't win a Ring until he joined Wade which is a bad look. LeBron's Championship last season was his best one by far, it was his team and his city. Winning with Wade and Bosh is a given for any Superstar player that is hyped as the next Jordan. Wade is arguably a Top 20-25 player of all-time and Bosh was the equivalent to Pau Gasol. Kobe won 2 with a Bosh type and not even close to a Wade type of player.

    3. Synthetic

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      Dan Marino is major proof of this. The guy never had a Great Defense his whole career, hence 0 Rings. Warren Moon same thing. A QB can only control what happens on Offense. You named a few QB's that have won without being Great/at least Very Good but it doesn't happen much.

       

       

      Warren Moon had a lot of problems as to why he didn't get to the big one. It all began with the racism from the NFL owners who wouldn't draft him in the 70's. Some could argue that Moon probably owns the record books if he started his career earlier, cause before the current era, Moon's numbers were right up there at #2 next to Marino. Moon went into CFL after the NFL passed on drafting him. 

       

      Moon's other problem was Bud Adams...If you want to write a book about horrible NFL owners, I think Bud Adams is the Jack Kennedy of NFL owners and has the most dirt and it's not hard to find reasons to hate him. He of course, blamed Moon for a playoff loss and traded him, but before that, Bud Adams meddled with that team so much, he made them dysfunctional and created lots of issues. 

       

       

      I would agree on Dan Marino. I think Marino is the greatest example of a team failing a quarterback. If Marino just had ONE ring, absolutely no one would make fun of him. He would've went down as the greatest quarterback to ever play the game if he just got one ring. 

       

      I highly recommend watching the ESPN short series "Top 5 reasons why you can't blame Dan Marino". That little mini-documentary goes into specifics as to how the Dolphins really failed Marino on all counts. He went 18 whole years without having a running back rush over 1,000 yards. At one point, they literally had a UPS driver off the street play running back. 

       

      The Dolphins had a streak too of defensive draft busts. All through the 80's, all their defensive draft picks were major busts. Of that era, they have a lot of first and second round draft pick busts. Miami didn't hit on a defensive draft until the 90's and by then, it was too late...

       

      These guys played in an entirely different era too...Even had they got to the SB, it's no guarantee they win it cause the NFC dominance lasted from 1984 to 1997...and most of those SB's were boring bloody blow outs. Even if Moon or Marino get to SB's, it's a big question of "if" they would've won, cause those NFC teams were juggernauts. Marino had to play the 15-1 49ers who just crushed everyone that year. 

       

      Marino could've went to the Super Bowl four other times - 1985, 1990, 1992, and 1994. 

       

      My gut is always on 1994. That was the last year of his career where he was truly amazing and put up a memorable season. They lost in the playoffs to the Chargers in the memorable game with the score 21 to 20. They lost by one point, thanks to a missed field goal....Had they won that game, they go to Pittsburgh for the AFCCG and I doubt Marino loses in his home town of Pittsburgh...but then you go to the Super Bowl and play the Monopoly 49ers who abused the Salary Cap to the max in 1994. No one was beating the 49ers that year, when they threw everything in the bank at free agents and literally bought a SB where they had nothing but All Pros on defense. 

       

       

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      I also disagree that Denver wins the SB without Peyton last season, they would've never got by the Patriots without him  and with Brock, even Peyton haters admit this.

       

       

      Brock beat New England in the regular season...I don't see Peyton winning that game with how crazy he was throwing interceptions everywhere. For all the hate Brock gets, Denver don't win crap last year if they don't get home field advantage and that was Brock's biggest win. Even with home field, they were still barely squeaking those wins by the skin of their teeth. As much as everyone bashes Brock, they still needed every last one of his wins, especially the New England game that they were down 21-7 and he engineered a comeback in OT. 

       

      In the Super Bowl, Peyton did nothing but get them in field goal range. All touchdowns were scored with help of defense and special teams. And Denver got so lucky the turnovers they caused didn't result in points. 

       

      I have no doubt in my mind, Brock could've won it last year. Hell, throw in a 40 year old Favre, who still played extremely well at his old age, and you probably do get TD's rained down in the SB. 

       

      I hate the Broncos. At least we don't have to worry about seeing them in the SB again for another 10 years. Wade Philips is gone too, so no more awesome defense for them. 

       

       

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      Regarding LeBron winning 3 Rings, I think it's a Great accomplishment but when everyone is comparing you to Michael Jordan and Magic Johnson than the expectation to win 5 or 6 is just there. Most people in the media put LeBron in their Category and even put him above Kobe and Bird so he should win more IMO.

       

      I didn't mention MJ for a reason. 

       

      This is what I mean though about the ring argument in basketball, which I've told you before is like a marketing invention. Kareem has 6 rings, 1 more than Magic yet his name never comes up in this conversation. Probably cause Kareem don't have a massive marketing campaign behind him. It's been pounded in our skulls since the 90's "MJ is the greatest". Here we are 20 years later and the media still loves to push this...MJ is like Aaron Rodgers right now, you're just not allowed to criticize him, and I don't see why, cause while MJ was great, there is also other great players out there too. 

       

      Before LeBron, it used to be Kobe who they hated on the most and used the annoying MJ comparisons. Kobe "can't win without Shaq" was a favorite for years. LeBron became the new target after he left Cleveland. 

       

      A part of me deep down isn't going to care if Golden State wins it this year, cause maybe if Durant gets a ring his first year there, maybe...just maybe it will kill the ring argument for good. No one wanted to give LeBron credit for the Miami rings, and they sure as hell aren't going to want to give credit to Durant when he does it.

       

      I'm sure too that after LeBron is done, whatever new awesome player replaces him, will also get compared to MJ for old time sake. It's a never ending story. 

       

       

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      Most people in the media put LeBron in their Category and even put him above Kobe and Bird so he should win more IMO.

       

      IMO I would easily put LeBron over Kobe. The reason why is that he's just a far better "all around" player than him. 

       

      Comparing the two, I like LeBron more cause he isn't afraid to get others involved on the court. You saw this in Miami when he would routinely pass the ball to Chalmers and Bibby and let them put up 3's. He does this in Cleveland too, as shown in the Finals when he kept getting Kyrie and JR Smith involved in the game...

       

      Kobe on the other hand had a very bad habit of being a ball hog and that is a criticism that used to be common when Shaq was on the team and the entire team used to get frustrated with him going into hero mode often. Phil Jackson had a history of butting heads with Kobe over this stuff.

       

      NBA players should be judged by talent, not rings. Kobe is a pretty good example of being on loaded teams. The Shaq-Kobe team had a really good bench and he also had Shaq in his prime playing lights out. That 3-peat wasn't just cause of Shaq and Kobe, those teams were great all around. The 2008 Lakers also were great all around, and had star talent on their bench. it definitely helped when they had Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom coming off the bench. 

       

       

       

       

       

       

    4. 2006Coltsbestever

      2006Coltsbestever

      Well you bring up fair and good points. At least you and I can debate in a civil manner which is rare for a message board and for 2 people that have different players and team likes. We both do hate Bama though. 

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