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16 hours ago, Superman said:
Bryce Young isn't even as good a runner as any of those guys you named (maybe Burrow). And of course, they all had much better arms. I don't agree that he's a better prospect than those guys, maybe with the exception of Allen, who was a tools/traits prospect with significant question marks. I think to a certain extent I'd agree that he has a higher floor than some of those guys -- Mahomes, Watson, Allen...
I also agree that he's shown some ability to get better as the stakes get higher, the 2021 SEC championship vs Georgia is a good example of that. But if you watch that game, what really stands out is just how freaking good Jameson Williams was. This is where the questions about supporting cast start to matter, IMO.
Based on the QB specific traits that can be seen on tape, he's a really good prospect. I think there's a valid question about his arm strength, but he still looks good enough. The real issue is his size, and there's no point ignoring it or pretending that it doesn't matter. It wouldn't surprise me to see him have some success, but durability and injury are major questions. I also think he gets away from some tackles in college that he wouldn't be able to get away from in the pros, so his ability to make plays while scrambling could be diminished.
You mentioned him as a Shanahan QB, but he's never under center, which would be a problem. He does run some pistol play action, so he can turn his back to the defense and still find his receivers. But taking a traditional drop, especially with a play action fake, is something that's just not on tape. It's definitely possible that he can do it, but we don't have proof so far.
Bryce Young as a runner isn’t a feature I referenced…though his athletic abilities, physical and innate, do enhance his play making abilities, and elevate him as a prospect. He’s fast, but that doesn’t make him a runner.
For me, his combined traits project better to the NFL than Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Darnold etc…better than everyone other than Burrow, Herbert, and TLaw. But the deficiencies are certainly present as noted…and it will take a team willing to overlook those deficiencies. Everybody drafts an imperfect prospect in the end, and Young has already demonstrated fantastic ability to overcome his deficiencies against folks that will play on Sundays…so I like his odds.
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16 hours ago, Superman said:
I think he's a better athlete than Tua/Baker, but he's definitely no Kyler or early RW. He doesn't run a lot because he simply doesn't have to; when you have Jameson Williams, John Metchie, and Brian Robinson, just get them the ball. When he does run, the speed and quickness are there, but he's not blowing past DBs or anything. Great athlete, no. But his athleticism can be a tool, if not a weapon.
It's not about diving around and playing recklessly to get a couple extra yards. It's about him breaking contain, and then just kind of sauntering his way out of bounds, or jogging in the open field and getting caught from behind. Sometimes, toying around and sliding late/awkwardly. Just get your yardage, then get down or out of bounds.
Utah State, 3:40 -- gets caught from behind (he does a version of this five more times in this game, and I hate it)
I'm confident you've watched a lot more of B. Young than I ever will...and it's draft season, so we have to analyze every detail and situation then make a projection. He's not an elite prospect, and he might not be deserving of the draft capital it would take to pick him at 1 from 4. It's simple to me with Young. He's phenomenal before the snap and after the play breaks down with the rhythm, balance and athletic profile to avoid pressure, reset, and deliver the ball accurately to the best option available. He's faster than he's getting credit for, but that matters little since you only want him running in clear air anyway. But more than that, he's a quick/sudden athlete, every bit the peer of defenders chasing him (even DB's) in short to medium areas. He's like a point guard to me that always has you off balance with the handles and quickness to beat any defender to the basket. Lastly, Young just gets better and better as the stakes get higher. A QB whose mind gets clear as the noise grows deafening possesses one of the most rare skillsets of all-time.
That said, like most QB's, you better put him in the right situation. Don't ask him to be Josh Allen (I'm not sure the Bills should be asking Josh Allen to be Josh Allen) He's the ideal Shanahan system QB, a rich man's Brock Purdy...and that's a pretty good direction to take your offense in my book. I don't believe B. Young is a top 10 pick on Ballard's board, and Ballard may get that right in the end, but Young is a far superior prospect to me than all of the recent top picks sans TLaw, Burrow and Herbert (and I mean before we had their NFL failures to evaluate). In the same draft class, before seeing any of them play an NFL snap, I'd have taken him over Mahomes, Watson, Allen etc. I'd have been wrong, of course, but as a polished prospect who will translate to a well coached NFL system, he's pretty much a sure thing.
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9 hours ago, danlhart87 said:
I threw some trades in mine.
1. Bengals - Burrow
2. Redskins - Young
3. Dolphins - Tagovailoa
4. Giants - Wilfs
5. Lions - Simmons
6. Chargers - Herbert
7. Colts - Love
8. Cardinals - Jeudy
9. Jaguars - Okudah
10. Browns - Thomas
Lions get 5 39 and 2021 2nd (Dolphins pick)
Panthers get 13 75 and 2021 3rd
Like your concept but think that the only way Love gets drafted at 7 is if the Panthers take him there. Reason being...the teams that would trade up to 7 are at 12 and lower...and the talent drop off is too dramatic below 11, even with 4 QBs selected ahead. If the Panthers want Love, you can't make a deal regardless, but if not, they'll be forced to make their pick because nobody will pay them what it's worth to go back that far in this particular draft.
The Bills paid 53 and 56 to move from 12 to 7 in 2018. The Panthers will likely want more than that given the premium talent they'll pass on to fall back.
The same is true for the Cardinals and Jags...so the first real trade up possibility for the Colts is the Browns at 10.
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So many of the QB possibilities rumored to involve the Colts have validity in strategic concept, but the only rumor that truly makes sense is P. Rivers and drafting the 4th QB after San Diego picks Herbert or Love. But here is why that won't happen:
Thru 7 games (plus fraction of 8th) J. Brissett is 5-2 (6-2...we clearly win @ Pitt)
153/236 - 65%
14 TD / 3 picks
1649 yds (on pace for an efficient 3600+)
Wins vs. KC (road) Houston and TN (home)
We all know what happened the second half of the season...but once the dust settles, objectivity returns, and options are weighed...Ballard and Reich will believe (maybe rightly so) that Brisset of games 1-8 is as good or better of an option at QB1 than any of Rivers, Bridgewater, Dalton etc. for winning now, and developing a young drafted QB for the future.
Ballard and Reich are not the type to pursue change for the sake of change - they will expect a clear performance delta from bringing a vet in and discharging Brissett. Unfortunately, those vet options don't represent a clear enough path to definitively better - at least not the options that are realistically viable (Rivers, Bridgewater, Dalton)
Carr is the wildcard, but has played at a high enough level the last 2 years that Gruden won't let him go for anything less than a HOF caliber Vet. Those options are likely to elude him. We also know how much Gruden hates rookie QB's.
Arians and Tampa are the most sensible spot for Rivers at this stage...but they are still a threat to leap us for the right to draft the 4th QB at 10 or so
Carolina is the key variable. If Rhule sees the future in the 4th QB...then everyone else is living to fight another day or trading back into the late 1st to develop Eason.
I think the dominos fall for the Colts to either stand on 13 and draft Love or (more likely) trade up to 10 to ensure that TB doesn't....and roll with Brissett in 2020.
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20 hours ago, aaron11 said:
What's wrong with his stats matching loves in 2018?
Absolutely nothing
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3 hours ago, aaron11 said:
how is that a problem? love was good in 2018?
Please clarify the problem you are referencing and I’ll gladly help...
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4 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Looking at these stats this looks like a guy that Reich and Ballard would want easily. His accuracy and his YPA.
I’d be good with Herbert...but those stats are nearly identical to Jordan Love circa 2018
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5 hours ago, Indeee said:
Not necessarily, although having the franchise QB helps. I do believe that JB's lack of "anything spectacular" certainly helped aid in my boredom. Take Jamis Winston. Some would say he isn't a franchise QB, however he is definitely NOT boring. Remember, I said it didn't matter about wins vs. losses but if you are a Bucs fan, you are definitely entertained and excited on every snap. Yes, Jamis by example can be frustrating, however you always knew you had a shot at exciting plays. We all hated when Luck threw all those pics in his earlier career, but he got a pass because you knew he could come back out and make up for it quickly with his arm and legs. It was exciting or at least encouraging. We just didn't have that in any aspect with the 2019 team. Hope that makes sense
Hope is the key word...for players and fans. When you have the right QB, you believe anything is possible and that kind of hope is required for the game to be interesting or for players to play through adversity
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Methinks the OP is describing the difference between having and not having a franchise QB
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There is a certain logic to this delayed gratification approach that I can absolutely get behind...particularly if Ballard doesn’t believe there is a franchise QB within reach from 13 to his value spec
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10 minutes ago, Flash7 said:
I was under the impression that at this time last year, after winning two playoff games, we were ready to compete and go all out. And then Ballard did Ballard things during FA.
Don't get me wrong, I like his approach in building through the draft, but it's also frustrating because we have to be so patient -- which in some way looks like throwing years away, waiting for the team to develop, and hoping that the rookies actually develop to be good players. That's always a hit-and-miss.
And then Luck left and here we are...
Beating the Titans, winner is in, was like a playoff game...so it felt like we won 2...
I'm good with staying the course Ballard likes to steer...while it was good to win a playoff game last year, I actually think the quality of the roster and the overall building approach was validated more by the fact that this should have been a 10 win team without Luck than winning a playoff game last year.
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19 minutes ago, NFLfan said:
Lol. Would you like Cousins? Here is a trade offer:
Kirk Cousins and a 3rd for Q. Nelson since the Colts need a QB.
Yay or Nay?
Ha...ya...no
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1 hour ago, Indeee said:
Fair point and from my side, I actually don't have a lot of time to watch anyone's film nor would I be that interested in doing so usually. I only did this time as so many it seemed, including Ballard attending his games, were kind of high on this guy and that's why I spent a few moments watching his highlights. it's also why I never originally stated my feelings about him from a true observation point until this morning. Doing so only after as I said Miller seeing what I did. With me it was clearly from just my eyes. He looked like Kaep to me. Right or wrong that was it. Love might turn out to be a super stud and you and everyone who likes this guy might be right about him. I'm not against the guy at all either. I hope wherever he goes he does well. I really have just always wanted the Colts NOT to draft any QB's this year. It really is nothing against Love as I'm indifferent to him or any of them for that matter.
The mechanics of his throwing motion, the throws he makes, and the context he makes them bear so little similarity to Colin K...that I’m kind of shocked there is even any discussion about it as a comparison
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20 minutes ago, twfish said:
I dont think Gruden will be drafting a QB. He despises rookie QB's and will want a guy like Brady or rivers
Rivers certainly makes more sense...and I hope you’re right. I like the Carr idea more than most...and really like Love...but in reality any move for Carr is a signal that Ballard isn’t ready to shoot his shot at QB in this class.
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Aren’t too many scenarios that could have the Raiders trading Carr and not drafting a QB...and that QB is probably the same guy we want...so we’ll need that 3rd to jump ahead of them.
Seems remote that rumors of Brady to the Raiders actually grow any legs
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2 minutes ago, stitches said:
Sounds good. Lets do it
But seriously... we will need to spend some money in FA this year too. I wouldn't mind us pursuing the best 3T or EDGE that hits FA. I think we need a bit more help with CBs and a TE too.
Agreed...but predicting Ballard’s free agency behavior is futile. He has and will make sensible moves to shore things up in the open market...just won’t be the guys we’re hoping for.
He’ll definitely sign a TE while drafting another 3rd day.
I don’t think we’ll do much in the secondary in Free Agency or before 3rd day in the draft.
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Not all 7-9 teams are created equal.
The question every NFL GM of a mediocre team should ask about their roster: If I had Kirk Cousins at QB, could we make the playoffs? If the answer is yes....then your roster is ready to win.
Do the Colts have position groups needing an upgrade?....Obviously. Have to find a 3T and starting WR. Might need a LT, but we’ll see about that.
Put Kirk Cousins in at QB and the Colts were a playoff team...and might have been with a league average kicker and JB at QB...
So....it’s time to go win now...and we have 7 months to sort it out.
For my money...I’ve come around to the 1st Rd Jordan Love camp, not wait until late 1st, after thinking initially that Ballard won’t go for it. The more I watch, the more I see a QB that is decisive and accurate in the quick game with the arm, feet and mind to grab chunk plays when available. No way he makes it past the Bucs at 14, and we might have to trade up to 10 or 11 to prevent the Bucs from the same.
Giving up our 3rd or 4th Rd pick to move up for Love, we grab 3T Blacklock @ 34 and BPA WR @ 44
JB starts the year and gets us to 6-4 as the rhythm fades away. Love finishes the year and we go 10-6 for a wildcard spot.
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On 1/31/2020 at 6:32 AM, stitches said:
I've mentioned before that I really like Greg Cosell and his analysis of both the NFL and draft prospects, he's one of the few analysts that I know can talk dispassionately about players and Xs and Os and I value his input because he does the work and has tons of experience breaking down film and I always learn something from him. He was on Tennessee radio yesterday and here's what he had to say on some of the QBs(he talks about the Superbowl in the first half of the interview and about the prospects in the second half(at about the 20 mark of the interview for the last 10 minutes):
https://post.futurimedia.com/wgfx/playlist/14/listen-7586.html?cb=1580414765.455817
I'm not sure but it seems like Cosell has Love ranked no. 2 behind only Burrow. He's lower on Tua than most, higher on Love than most. His under the radar prospect is James Morgan out of FIU
The more I watch Love the more I see top end NFL QB traits. I have no idea what his info process abilities are, which trumps physical skills, but the way he moves, loads and throws from balance with power or touch at the flick of a wrist is rare.
Ive been skeptical but am starting to believe he could be the guy...and I get what you are saying. I also share your belief that it’s better to have the potential for greatness than a high floor...be great or get on with it.
Can’t wait to see how Love shows out the rest of the way.
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JB day one with any QB that Ballard believes can be the future.
Second best is Derek Carr...I’d be thrilled with him under Reichs supervision
Zero interest in any of the short term senior level guys like P Rivers
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1 hour ago, chad72 said:
2018 with Baker, Josh Allen and Lamar is trending in a better direction. This one is not as good but it’s close.
The issue is 31 teams will not win the SB. Folks need to temper expectations w.r.t QB development as a 2 year project to be division contenders and 3-4 year project to be SB contenders if all the pieces are assembled around them at a high level, especially if you’re not picking One in the Top 5.
That’s why you keep building everything and when the right QB comes along, things will start clicking, even if it’s a draft Day 2 QB.Have to play free agency and if Ballard doesn’t help us win the division in 2 years at worst, his seat will be hot.
Lamar...no doubt. Can’t argue with MVP. What’s interesting is that he was the throw-in first round prospect.
Allen certainly made progress this year...and I certainly think Baker will figure it out...but it’s hard to project either as top 10 QBs anytime soon let alone franchise caliber guys...
More time is needed to render a verdict...at least another year for both...so I guess my question is: Why aren’t the guys in this QB class worth every bit as much investment as a guy like Josh Allen who might have been more raw than Jordan Love and certainly more raw than Herbert?
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1 hour ago, csmopar said:
No. It’s grossly overrated.
How so?...with a dominant #1 prospect and 2 others thought to be top 5 picks...1 more mentioned in the top 10 to 15 that will likely rise to consensus top 10...and 1 to 3 others getting 1st round consideration?
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3 hours ago, chad72 said:
This QB draft class is slightly better than next year's draft class, IMO. It is not as good as the 2018 class but is close enough.
Not as good as what we thought the 2018 class might be or not as good as what it is trending toward?
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Seems like there is a sentiment to wait for next year...maybe the Trevor Lawrence effect...but I’m wondering if this might be the richest class of prospects that we’ll see for awhile...
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1 hour ago, LockeDown said:
Everybody in the league scouted Mahomes that year, including Ballard. He has a really good idea if Love is comparable as some say he is. I wouldn’t worry, if Ballard thinks he is Mahomes like, then he will get him. He won’t be Blaise about it. Ballard is a guy who is pretty sure what everyone else is picking and he will have a plan on WHERE to draft him. Love could slide and Ballard might use our 1st pick on a different position and move up with our 2nd pick. That’s what he is good at. He moved on Smith because he was the last starting Oline left. Don’t worry about Ballard is what I say.
I’m not at all worried about Ballard...but I am worried about the inherent pitfalls of acquiring a franchise QB...which is always a roll of the dice if you aren’t picking Elway, Manning or Luck
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Colts select QB Anthony Richardson Florida (merge)
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Objectivity is difficult to possess, let alone communicate. This is well done.