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On 11/21/2023 at 2:15 PM, Superman said:
It's still a leap to conclude that this is because they were unhappy with him voicing his displeasure. By the way, I don't think he was disrespectful or overly combative in his comments to begin with. I guess whenever a player has a beef with the team, legitimate or not, some people will always side with the team...
Also, why couldn't this indicate that he asked for his release?
There's too much we don't know about the internal 'goings on' I doubt this was rash or spontaneous in any way by either party.
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15 hours ago, DougDew said:
What I see in this film:
The pick was on AR, clearly. It looks like the classic case of a Qb being pressured and double pumps with the second one resulting in a weak throw to the flat to covered receivers that could have been a pick 6. Maybe McKenzie ran the wrong route that kept the first pump from being a throw, but that ball should not have been thrown and AR should have taken the sack. The D won that play, line up and punt if you have to.
Maybe its circumstances, but it looked like AR was less effective moving or throwing to his left than down the middle or to the right. More games and samples please.
The throw to AP was perfect. It was a tough catch given the route and the coverage.
Hull is the real deal. I'll just say it now. He's got the quick vision to find the open space and the forward lean to maintain some balance after contact. Not an allpro centerpiece, but the versatile RB outlet the Colts need. The only concern at this point is speed.
The sidearm is an accuracy killer. If he doesn't get his elbow up and his feet under him he'll struggle forever with accuracy. Side arm flips tend to float which is pick city in the NFL (anywhere really). His best throw was the deep ball and it's really the only throw he had with a high elbow and it was a dandy. What I don't get is how during the entire off-season how does he come out throwing the ball this way. As such a great athlete, this is an adjustment he can make, and we see him do it on the deep ball. His accuracy issues are all about those arm angles and footwork. He doesn't look mentally overwhelmed, he appeared confident back there, which is good but damn who's the QB coach? Fix the throwing motion!
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On 2/24/2020 at 10:17 PM, Nate! said:
Was reading an article that was about the NFL landscape as it relates to QBs. Went through those that will be stagnant or for sure one thing, then focused mostly on the teams with question marks. Article ended with predictions as to what will happen with the teams currently in flux. There’s a colts connection as can see what writer predicted there. Think most here would hate it, but o honestly wouldn’t. Thoughts if things played out like the below:
PREDICTIONS
Carolina – Marcus Mariota and Kyle Allen
Chicago – Mitchell Trubisky and Andy Dalton
Cincinnati – Joe Burrow
Cleveland – Baker Mayfield
Dallas – Dak Prescott
Detroit – Matthew Stafford and Teddy Bridgewater
Indianapolis – Jameis Winston and Jacoby Brissett
LA Chargers – Tyrod Taylor and Justin Herbert
Las Vegas – Derek Carr
Miami – Tua Tagovailoa and Ryan Fitzpatrick
New England – Tom Brady
New Orleans – Drew Brees and Taysom Hill
Tampa Bay – Philip Rivers
Tennessee – Ryan Tannehill
Washington – Alex Smith, Dwayne Haskins, and Cam Newton
Where does Josh Rosen go in this scenario?
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Straight up best 10 football players? Ok, I'll play, this going to drive some of you a little nuts but we could use some excitement in the off-season so I'll do it!
Problem is, your QB needs to be a top 3 player and preferably #1!
1. Quenton Nelson
2. Darius Leonard
3. Anthony Castonzo*
4. Justin Houston
5. Chad Kelly
6. T.Y Hilton
7. Marlon Mack
8. Jacoby Brissett
9. Braden Smith
10. Ryan Kelly
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11. Kenny Moore
12. Kemoko Turay
13. Jack Doyle
14. Pierre Desir
15. Malik Hooker
16. Khari Willis
17. Jabaal Sheard*
18. Denico Autry
19. Anthony Walker
20. Mark Glowinski
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18 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:
Okereke IMO. He dominated in the time he played. I think he could steal some time away from Walker next year. Willis, Tell, and Rock were also pretty good. If you include Banogu as having upside, we got a lot of defensive contributers in last years class.
Okereke was good in space, lost in traffic. Willis did it all, super impressed with him, looks to me like a 10+ year pro. Okereke has a lot of sizzle because everyone sees the plays he makes in space but don't recognize when he gives up a 6 yard run that should have been a 2 yard run. Okereke has to be able to run detect and fill holes better. Willis is a starter now.
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On 1/29/2020 at 2:46 PM, EastStreet said:
I think some of this is a bit harsh. Honestly I don't think it matters who he sat behind. In Denver, he was likely already on some sort of "probation", but still managed to win the backup roster job (2018) after spending a year (2017) on IR. He also beat out Lynch who we forget was a 1st rounder... Not saying Lynch is all that, he's not, but still it's not nothing.
We can't say the coaches didn't think he was the best chance to win. We can probably assume that Denver (Elway is pretty controlling) was taking a calculated risk keeping him on the roster, and simply were treating him similar to the how the Colts did in 2019. The fact he won the back up job at all after the behavioral flags and a year on IR is something I wouldn't have bet on.
But I do agree he should not factor into draft plans. I think it's fair to say after Ballard's comments, he's still in the earning trust phase. Like you, I wanted to see him in the last couple of games, but I also knew that was unlikely as they probably didn't want to diss JB. Putting him out there, even in a situation where JB hypothetically got hurt, would have opened up a can of worms that likely couldn't be closed lol. In short, the FO played it ultra-conservative, and that does not surprise me one bit.
Whatever "plan" they have for him, I hope it's clear and finite. I got the opposite feeling listening to Ballard. It just felt like Ballard was saying, he needs to behave well, and if we ever need you, we'll let you know... I'd prefer a situation where it's clear as day, where Ballard says something like "kid, you've been a dumbxxx... you owe us two years of perfect behavior, XXX hours of service in the Indy community, substance abuse counselling, sports shrink counselling, and lots of hard work... and if you do that, you'll have a fair and open competition in year 3"... Kelly isn't in a position to complain about anything regardless of whatever conditions he's under, so who knows. I'd love to be a fly on the wall for some of those conversations though.
Right on!
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49 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
I think this is the video.
Ok, I just watched, I'm going to admit laziness and not do a full scouting report which would include proper data and analytics and just tell you what I see when I watched that video.
- An immense number of completions are swing routes to open backs.
- Most completed passes are in air under 5 yards.
- Very few completed contested passes.
- Not a single play under center.
- Gets audibles from the sidelines.
- Not once stepped up into the pocket, rolls back or horizontal under pressure. This is massive for NFL QB's, you have to know how to manipulate the pocket and not run from it.
- Throws off back foot a lot and is very inaccurate when doing so.
- Seems fast but doesn't quite maximize it.
- Inconsistent arm motion, can be really quick when necessary which is great, also winds up at times when not hurried.
- Needs A LOT of work but the raw materials are there.
- That's just one quick watch...do you want me to do more or other?
I'm editing my response and including a video of Fromm, who I like but I'm not saying we should get him, I just want to juxtapose a few things so you can see what I look at.
Watch Fromm climb in the pocket. You never see him throw off his back foot, almost always moving forward. This is not only a technique but a mentality (nobody was better than Andrew at this).
Notice how his lower half is in sync with his upper body.
Notice how many contested throws he makes/completes.
His highlight tape isn't full of bombs to wide open guys.
He's playing vs tier 1 talent.
He takes snaps under center.
He works the play action game well but has work to do on ball fakes.
He makes all the throws and has a good not great arm which means he's very accurate and throws with anticipation. He doesn't rely on arm strength which I like.
Didn't have the best statistical year, I know.
Lead his team to top 5 every year.
Plays in SEC.
Plays well in big games, typically.
GREAT leader.
This is what I look for in a QB, I think Fromm is NFL ready but I don't think he's better than what we have on the roster at the moment. I'm just wanted to show you how I think about QB's if you find that helpful. Cool to disagree.
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On 1/28/2020 at 2:03 AM, NewColtsFan said:
Love scares you because he didn't have a good 2019 season. A season in which he lost 9 former offensive starters, and his coaching staff and the system they played in a very successful 2018 season. In 2018, Love completed 64% of his passes for 32 TD's and only 8 interceptions. Those are quality numbers. If the numbers were reversed and his 2018 numbers in 2019, then you wouldn't be scared of him.
Just remember the circumstances that surrounded the kid this past season. And he just had a good all-star game playing with talent and better coaching. You might want to consider that as well. Just food for thought......
You could argue the reverse as well. Was he only good because he was surrounded by senior/talented guys. My experience says QB's lift up everyone one around them, usually not the reverse, BUT this certainly could be the exception. I'm trying to think of an example where this was true and the guy turned out to be a top tier pro QB, can you think of one...not being a Smart aleck, I'm honestly asking.
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10 hours ago, Chloe6124 said:
Go watch the Michigan state game from 2018. Even the highlights will give you a better representation of what he can do. All kinds of intermediate throws. There is nfl throws throughout the video. Utah state isn’t Alabama where they are going to be able to reload with talent when losing as much as they did.
I'll try to find it on your recommendation.
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10 hours ago, Superman said:
Have you watched anything other than highlights? Have you watched any games from 2018 and compared his play with his games from 2019?
I'm not calling him the next great NFL QB. I'm just defending him against this faux analysis.
I didn't see much, no question. I did watch the bowl game just because he was playing and I heard some hype here and it seemed fairly consistent with what his tape shows I thought. I see signs of potential but I don't see a guy making NFL throws or reads at the moment. I do see athleticism and a big arm but throwing deep balls for guys to run under and deep fades are the easiest throws to make not the hardest. I think people confuse those throws, since they are big plays, as NFL skills. You're point is incredibly fair, I haven't seen nearly enough tape, nor am I a pro scout. I'm only going off what I've seen in highlight videos. So, I'm not saying he can't play or bust or anything like that, maybe I would feel different if I saw more tape. PLUS, I'm always super suspicious of guys who can't dominate in sub par conferences, that actually matters a lot to me as well. In the end, I'm not an 'absolutist' on the guy, just not overly impressed, if CB gets him I'll buy in immediately.
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On 1/28/2020 at 1:00 AM, Superman said:
People around the Internet keep saying this. The problem is it's not true.
When I look at his highlights I see lots of deep balls, fades and throws to open guys. That never inspires me to like a guy, those aren't necessarily NFL level throws, to me that's Mariota. I haven't seen enough to be sure but for a guy in a league this weak he should have dominated it and not go 20/17. When people blame the coaches I become even more skeptical not less. Makes me very unsettled on Love.
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1 hour ago, Dingus McGirt said:
Rolling out my earlier prediction...draft - DT, WR, OT...in that order. CK starts by week 4 of the 2020 season.
I could see that, depending on what happens in FA.
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8 hours ago, csmopar said:
Any one else catch the parts about Chad Kelly. About how he has to show them they can trust him off the field? I’m not pushing for Chad Kelly as our next Qb, but I found that part interesting. Almost makes me wonder IF he’s not gonna get his shot at the starting job regardless of FA or the Draft results.
I 100% think Kelly will get a fair shot at the job. He's very careful with his words but he said he has tools and a future in the league. I think Kelly is the most physically gifted QB we have and likely more physically gifted than anyone we will have the opportunity to draft. I've said since pre-season, this kid can play. IF he proves he can be a responsible citizen all of 2019 and into 2020 training camp, there's no point in not giving him a shot at the job. I would be nervous about how he handles the job if he wins it. I think C&B would be nervous too, can he handle the pressure off the field? Who knows? It feels like giving your teenager a Ferrari and hoping it all works out...even if the kid can drive like mad. I think our starting QB for 2020 is currently on this roster, I'm just not sure which guy it is...
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16 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:
I was a LB and TE when I played
i was too SLOW
maybe I don’t know what you are looking for with footwork.
I would agree that Gordon is a project. But. There are only 2 that could realistically play next year game one
IMHO you need to keep bringing in QBs till you find the project that turns into your QB
I wouldn’t mind building roster with other spots and find a QB to develop that would compete with JB and CK
To me. Gordon would be a decent option in round 3. After you drafted DT,WR, and OT
Love and Eason would also be options to develop but we would have to use an earlier pick
Right, a post first round pick as sort of a hopeful selection would be fine I suppose if he has enough upside. I think as fans we need to brace for impact, meaning, I don't see a path for a different starting QB next year unless it's Kelly baring a massive trade-up. I'll put my trust in C&F picking a QB, Right now, I don't see anyone out there after maybe the first two guys (I agree with you) that are better than what we have on the roster currently. -Go Colts
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On 1/8/2020 at 9:21 PM, TimetobringDfence! said:
This guy is being over looked. He is gonna be the next beat QB. Hope CB picks up a DT 1st roung then gets Gordon with 2nd round pick.
Searching for a savior is dangerous business.
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On 1/11/2020 at 9:17 AM, Chloe6124 said:
He only had 6 int the year before. So he had a bad year because his team was playing from behind a lot because of horrible defense and had to play hero ball. Let’s not forget how many INT Manning had his rookie season.
Did you just compare Manning's rookie season to Love's collegiate season? I'm assuming I'm reading this wrong?
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19 hours ago, MikeCurtis said:
Footwork isn’t that bad, but is one of the easiest fixed things
What mechanics do you call a “mess”?The kid played baseball and has a blazing quick release. He has fantastic touch
He is mobile
I’m not sure what tape you are seeing
I just can’t get excited about Fromm. I see a career backup
He had all day to throw to his receivers and was only completing 60%
That won’t improve in the NFL
His mechanics are a mess, I coached and played some QB so I know what I'm looking for, his lower half is shocking. He's getting away with it now, not in the NFL. If someone wants to make a project out of him that's fine, maybe a place like New Orleans but not a place like Indy, not now, we don't need a third project on the roster. You may be right about Fromm, I'm looking for the lowest risk most NFL ready guy. Fromm could play day 1 but I don't know that I actually believe he's better than Brissett or Kelly. Frankly I think Kelly is by far the best thrower of the three, question is can he be the face of a franchise and that's a really big question still. This whole situation stinks.
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9 hours ago, Jeremy Waldon said:
I think him and mack could be a dominant duo behind our line. Could even run them out of multiple sets on the field at the same time
That dude is a beast, sold.
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8 hours ago, Jeremy Waldon said:
Does next years draft look stronger than this year?
Depends on where we pick I suppose and who emerges. Drafting a guy to draft a guy won't solve the problem. Thing is we're all being emotional about Brissett, he's ok and I think Kelly may be the better answer, we'll see next year, so to me, you have to get a guy who is better than those two. We don't need another project...why carry three project guys right? This is why you don't get a guy like Luck killed because not having a legit guy is purgatory.
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8 hours ago, ColtJax said:
He's 6' maybe a hair over, around 6' and 1/2 but no more. His arm is average to below average and his decision making is considered slower than what NFL scouts are looking for. Eason is going to be picked before him because he has NFL measurables, NFL size and a strong arm. I highly doubt either becomes a starter in the NFL for a long period of time..
I'm fine with neither, I don't really see anyone I feel is clearly better than Kelly and Brissett that will be available to us. If we are determined to pick a guy, I'll take the proven winner whose beat out everyone who's been put in front of him to include Fields and Eason. A big arm is the least important factor in being a great QB. See, Luck, Ryan, Brees, Rivers too many examples to list. To call his arm below average is ridiculous, you're overselling your point. He's listed at 6'2" 225, I'll take that as valid until proven otherwise. Final note, I like football players over measureless. You may be right that neither becomes a starter, especially Eason.
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On 1/11/2020 at 11:30 AM, Jeremy Waldon said:
AJ Dillon RB Boston College @ 250#
Could even be available in the 5th, depends on his combine
Umm, he's impressive, yikes...
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1 minute ago, MikeCurtis said:
Gordon isn’t a lock to do anything in the NFL
He is a project but outside of the first 2-3 QBs ........ they ALL carry risk
IF Gordon makes it. He Will not start for awhile
i just like what I saw after only one year as Div 1 starter
Fair, maybe I'm thinking if we draft a guy he has to be able to beat out Brissett and Kelly, I'm not sure there are more than two or three guys that have that stuff, otherwise, why draft 'em? Just how I'm thinking.
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1 minute ago, MikeCurtis said:
Watch some more tape. He has decent footwork.
not perfect but many good skills
I just can’t get excited about Fromm. I see a career backup
He had all day to throw to his receivers and was only completing 60%
That won’t improve in the NFL
Perhaps, Gordon looks like a big project, no time for that mess.
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9 hours ago, ColtJax said:
Fromm is going to fall to the 4th round, he is undersized with a below average arm.
That's an interesting take, he's twice the QB Eason is, who he beat out at UGA and Eason ran home yet Eason has a cannon and project R1/2. I believe he's bigger than Drew Bress or Russell Wilson, I'm not sure 6'2" 225 is undersized but ok.
I'd take Fromm in the second round and be thankful if he's there. Guy take his team the the SEC championship two of three years and as a Freshman. I also like baseball players as qb's, e.g. Wilson, Mahomes, Elway etc and he's a perfect character fit. I'd roll the dice on him in a heartbeat...the again, what do I know.
Problem is, your QB needs to be a top 3 player and preferably #1! 
2024 Not-So Hot Takes
in Colts Football
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I thought this was a 4 win team to start the season.
From my perspective, I really enjoyed watching them overachieve most of the year. I had no emotional buy-in for the last game, I just enjoyed a meaningful January game knowing this team wouldn't go far thereafter with a W. I had super low expectations all year and rather enjoyed the season. Steichen is a gem, Gus is a good DC (I would like to see more timely blitzing), and Ballard needs to make an impact in 2024. I'm a Ballard fan, full disclosure, but you are what your record says you are and we're far enough into his tenure now that he needs to put up in 2024 or we need to weigh options.
Minshew may be the best back-up in the NFL but he lacks physicality, not strong enough in the pocket or arm strength, but great number 2. Pittman earned every penny, 28 needs to stay healthy, Buck is the best player in the NFL that nobody respects, and I love Q, especially on the pull plays.
I think Mallory may be sneaky good in the future , Downs is so refreshing to watch, and I see 14 on the bubble, just not enough production...maybe that's because of Minshew's limitations. Our young corners show promise but need to be more physical in the run/tackling game, especially 40.
To me, AR is a considerable question mark still if Minshew can take this team to 9-8, I would expect AR to do the same or better with a year of coaching under his belt. How about this...do we draft a QB if a good one is available?
Anyway, relative to expectations, for me, it was a good year...I'd hate to make a habit of low expectations.
Go Horse!