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Andy

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  1. How old is Mat Hoffman, and what might his capacity be 10, 15, 20 years down the road.

    Also, and I obviously say this without a decent google search, what lead to John Mackey's problems (proper care for ex-players aside)?

    Mohammad Ali?

    Yes, everyone handles these issues differently, at least in the beginning, but I'd have to believe it effects all to varying degrees.

    I agree with 'what else would he say', but I also agree with the concern that he could truly be in denial, and take unnecessary risks.

    He's 38 now, but he got all his injuries in his late teens to late 20's. No doubt Hoffman will have problems in the future, and if Collie gets more concussions he will too. I think he can withhold 3 or 4, unless he gets a really bad concussion like Merril Hoge.

  2. I think you misunderstood my point completely. But thanks for bringing us back to the 'same old' Brady vs Manning debate that I thought we were all finally past. What I was trying to say is that when neither team has a 'championship caliber' defense, both Peyton and Brady have put up rediculous numbers. In '03 and '04, Brady had a darn good defense, which obviously helped win Superbowls. Nobody will deny that, and nobody will ever try. And even though you threw out stats about how poor the Colts defense was in their championship year, everyone who paid attention realized how well they played in the playoffs. In fact, I think they were even the #1 ranked defense in the playoffs that year. So all we've actually done is make the point that neither guy can win a championship without a good defense. And I think through careful analysis and experimentation, youll realize that that is often the case with championship teams.

    The argument that Ive never quite understood is the one that says 'without Brady the Patriots are an 11 win team, without Peyton the Colts are a 3 win team'. That point comes out everytime someone runs out of actual points that can be proven, and someone needs some way to discredit Brady by calling him a system quarterback while Peyton Manning makes the world go round. Listen...all that argument proves is that Matt Cassell is better than Curtis Painter...and you know what? We all knew that anyway. Without Brady the Patriots won 7 fewer games than the year previous and they missed the playoffs. Not quite the point you want to be clinging to when trying to prove that Brady isnt as important to the Patriots as Peyton is to the Colts. And the honest to god fact is that nobody knows how the Colts would do should Peyton go down. Saying they are a 3-win team is pure speculation....no more, no less. If they had someone else under center, they would completely change the way they play...from the way they utilize their personnel to the general gameplan to the way the game is coached. Who knows...maybe the Colts (should they have one of the easiest schedules in NFL history as the Patriots did the year Brady was absent) find a way to win 4 games without Peyton instead of the 3 that everyone believes. With the talent on that team, it wouldnt surprise me one bit. Well guess what? Thats 7 less than Peyton won this year....exactly the same fewer that the Patriots won without Brady.

    We know that without Manning the Colts are a 3 or 4 win team because we've seen Painter in the backfield, and how bad he is. Now if the Colts have a different quarterback, it wouldn't make a huge difference, because the Colts revolve their offense around Peyton, and what happens if you take the engine out of a car, you can't drive. The Patriots revolve around Belicheck and the Colts revolve around Manning, not Caldwell. Not to your point before hand about the defense and stuff. I agree, it's really hard to win a SB without a good defense... I can't think of a SB winning team from the last 15 years that had a bad defense, really I can't. Now in 01', you guys got lucky plain and simple: Tuck Rule, Bledsoe in the AFC Championship vs Backup QB, and your defense stopping the SB. In 03', who kicked the SB winning kick, not Brady, Adam Vinateri. Yes Brady drove them down the field, but without Vinateri who knows where Brady would be, and the same in the 01 championship. The 04' SB was Brady, can't deny it. Manning got help, but without him, they wouldn't be there, because the backup would have been Jim Sorgi. Brady had Bledsoe and bailed him in 01.

    In 08, the Colts had the NFC North, AFC North, our division, the Steelers, and the Pats... that's not easy. The Pats had the NFC West, your division, AFC West, the Colts, and the Steelers. You had the easier schedule that year.

    All in all, we have a good idea how the Colts would do without Manning, b/c of Painter, and the fact that the Colts rely and revolve their offense around Peyton, and the Patriots around Belicheck. And I'll this argument by saying that yes indeed, Peyton Manning is better. Do you think Manning is better than Brady, dynasty?

  3. We can all sit there and say that Peyton's only championship came because of his defense...but thats the same argument that Colts fans have been using against Brady all this time too. I think whats has become so interesting about this 'debate' over the last few seasons is how once Brady lost that 'championship' defense, he started consistently putting up 'Peyton-like' numbers. Regardless of whether or not either side wants to admint it, its truly become a more closer debate than ever now that they both have statistical records, multiple MVP's, record winning streaks, and rings.

    Really... and Brady had no help from his defense. I love these kind of arguments... In 03' and 04' (both years) your defense was in the top 7 for rush defense and top 10 in total defense. In 01' Brady was bailed out, by first the refs in the tuck rule game, and that was clearly a fumble, and then in the very next game, Bledsoe had to bail him out, and beat a team with a poor offense in Kordell Stewart. Then in that SB, who stopped the (by far) the best offense in the NFL... the Pats defense. Now, Manning had one of the best offenses in the NFL with him, Reggie, Marvin, and Edge, but our defense was easily one of the worst in the NFL. Our defense wasn't that great in our SB year, 30th in rush defense, mid teens in total yards, and 2nd in pass defense. Now Manning had a mediocre playoffs, but without him they wouldn't have made it past the Ravens, who had one of the best defenses in the NFL that year, and Steve McNair at the helm. Then suddenly, Tedy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, Ty Law, Mike Vrabel, Richard Seymour gone over the past several years, and what has happened in the last 3 years... NOTHING. The year Brady had this year, is like Manning's career (obviously not if you go by stats), he had a great great regular season, but his defense lets him down. Without Brady, the team is 11-5, and without Manning the team is probably a 3 win team. How do I know this, we all saw the Curtis Painter game in Week 16 of the 09 season, he came in and cost us the game; and we've all seen the preseason with him... i've only seen 1 good preseason game from him and that was against the Bills in the 3rd week this past year. The Colts need Manning, and the Patriots need Belicheck, and that's a reason why Manning's better than Brady. Also, going by your judgment, Manning is the better quarterback:

    Stats: Manning

    MVPs: Manning 4 MVPs, Brady 2 MVPs

    Record Winning Streaks: 23 straight games... 2 seasons where they won the first 14 games... 10 straight years with 4000+ yards, never missed an NFL snap... and the list goes on and on

    SB: Brady 3, Manning 1

    This may be a little irrelevant, but Brady said that Manning is the greatest of all time, and 40% of the US think that Manning is the QB in the game today. Face it, he's the best in the league right now. A better argument is Manning vs Montana.

  4. 100%, Brady is the better winner, but Manning is by far the better quarterback. People always say, Brady is better because of the rings, but if we go by rings then Ben Roethlisberger is better than Dan Marino, and Trent Dilfer is also better. Obviously they're not, so it just goes to show that rings are not that important.

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