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I'm still undecided, weighing things out. But Forbes has weighed in now...
It looks like that was written in 2011 which really doesn't matter as I would expect that the author feels the same way in 2014.
There are a lot of big $ numbers floating around in that article, but a college education is only going to reap such rewards if the student is fortunate enough to find a good job in their chosen vocation.
Sadly, I know many college grads who have not. Such as a young man who graduated from the Purdue School of Flight who is now employed as a baggage handler at an airport. Or, another young man who graduated from Ball State with a degree in education who after four years is still searching for a full-time job.
Those are just two of many examples I could give of students who did not have the luxury of a scholarship and now are burdened with enormous debt while trying to find employment in the area of their college degree.
My son graduated from high school with a young man who was a fifth-year senior. He didn't care about school and trying to earn good grades. He took all the easiest classes he could find and spent those five years in and out of trouble. The high school coddled him because he was the "star" on many sport's teams.
Yet, he received a full scholarship because the guy can run really fast. Whereas, my son (who graduated in the top 10%) will be paying off his student loans for years to come along with the parent loans that my husband and I have to repay.
So, I can't feel sorry for student athletes who are given something that many can only dream of all because they were blessed with the ability to jump higher, throw further, run faster, etc. As another member said, cry me a river.
I agree with those who say that athletics should be taken out of college; but I would even take it a step further and remove it from high school, junior high, and elementary schools because that is where the problem begins.
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While I agree with you let's not overlook the fact that the colleges are making the billions of dollars off of having the athletic scholarships in the first place. This problem starts even before collage with high schools wanting the best athletes to make money from their sports venues. With that in mind the bottom line is money and for every one student making a living off of sports there are over 90% of those athletes that never reach the level of making a living off of sports but the colleges and the NCAA make their money never the less. The sad part is with the colleges who offer the athletic scholarships and make the money, there are thousands of athletes who make the money for the NCAA. These colleges full well know that only a small percentage of these students will go on and become professional players. Maybe that would change if the student would be forced to take real classes rather than cake walk classes designed just to keep them eligible for sports. Once the athlete is gone and the money is made from them the NCAA couldn't care less.
The problem starts even earlier than high school.
I once tutored at a private elementary school where I worked very hard to help students who were struggling with math and English. Some who couldn't even do basic addition and subtraction and thought that "the" was the subject of a sentence.
I quit tutoring at that school when the principal told those same students (and their parents) that their low grades would not affect their sport's eligibility because math and English were much too difficult for them.
Not a single one of those students that I tutored went on to play sports in high school. Two of them even dropped out and later earned their GED.
The same applies to high schools and especially to private high schools who recruit students merely based on their athletic ability.
In the case of the NCAA, you seem to be painting them as the only "bad guy" in all this. No one is forcing these athletes to accept a scholarship. No one is forcing them to take "cake walk" classes.
For many of these student athletes, there would be no opportunity to further their education other than to go the route that so many others have to go which is to riddle themselves with debt that it will take years upon years to repay.
So while the NCAA is making big bucks, they are also giving many young men and women an opportunity that many would be thrilled to have.
As I once said in another such thread, I worked in the athletic department of a DI school for several years and saw the flood of mail containing video of Jack or Jill playing his/her sport. These students were hoping, begging, praying for one of those athletic scholarships.
There are books purchased every year by these students and their parents with the hopes that it will offer some tips on how to obtain an athletic scholarship. There is one on Amazon right now where they are promising those who wish to purchase that there are more copies coming soon.
As far as insurance, some colleges do help student athletes. Others do not. As I said in an earlier post, I would be in full agreement that the NCAA should be obligated to take care of any sport's related injuries not only while in school; but also to pay for any further treatment needed after the student has left school.
Until someone can convince me otherwise, I still maintain that the real "bad guy" in all this is the NFL (and to a lesser extent, the NBA) for using the NCAA as a free developmental league and thereby pretty much forcing athletes to attend college for three years to develop their skills.
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I think all of us don't put any merit to an athlete going hungry. Now you bring up cheerleaders in this thread? Like I stated, I don't have the answer but when the NCAA makes billions of dollars off of the student athlete that is their main concern. Right now the NCAA is up in arms about athletes leaving college early to join a professional team and that includes both the NFL and even more the NBA. They are trying to put any and every excuse to keep them in school. Bottom line is their cash cows are leaving them.
Yes, I brought up NFL cheerleaders in this thread much as another poster brought up Nike workers in China because I thought this thread was about the big guy profiting from the little guys. My bad.
Yes, I'm sure the NCAA would love for student athletes to stay in college and not join a professional team. So would the college they play for and those who are fans of that college.
However, I'm also pretty sure that in a good majority of cases of the exceptional athlete; the NCAA, the recruiting college, and the student athlete know full well when that scholarship is offered and accepted that the student athlete does not plan to stay in college.
They are merely using college as a stepping stone into the pros and the college is happy to recruit them as they make the team better.
I also think that if anyone is getting a free ride out of all this that it is the NFL who is basically using the NCAA as a developmental league.
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Wow- that comes out to a whopping $654. dollars per person. Don't seem like much over an average of 3 years. I kind of wonder how many billions of dollars the student athletes bring into the NCAA. The NCAA and colleges know the student athlete is not there for the education and really couldn't care less. They are cash cows for the NCAA. It's already a known fact that very few student athletes study at all and the colleges cater to their needs as far as grades. Phony classes and people taking their test for them is very common. I am not sure of a good answer but lets not think the NCAA is trying to do anything but make money off the student athletes.
I don't care if comes out to $6.54 per person.
My purpose in sharing that was to dispel the myth that student athletes are left to go hungry and that the NCAA does not care about them enough to help them through some rough patches in life . . . something that is not given to other students.
I also find it odd that so many of you are up in arms about student athletes, yet when I posted something in another thread about the fact that NFL cheerleaders are often paid below minimum wage; no one seemed to care that the NFL makes big money off of them.
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10765409/adrian-peterson-misses-point-paying-college-players
This topic of whether college athletes should be paid has been floating around the last few weeks with Adrian Peterson recently weighing in. Chadiha makes some interesting points in this article about why the college players should not be paid in cash but instead have healthcare and future education funds set up at the schools.
Interested in people's thoughts on this polarizing subject. I am of the mindset that if you pay the athletes in cash then you open a Pandora's box that will be much worse then the current situation.
I think that having funds available to help a student athlete with any future healthcare costs that may related to an injury they received while playing and a future education fund are both good ideas.
And, I agree with you that paying athletes is opening a Pandora's box.
I seriously have to question any athlete that says he/she went to bed hungry. As others have mentioned; an athletic scholarship already covers room & board, tuition, books, etc. And, they can apply for a Pell Grant.
What is rarely talked about is the Student Assistance Fund that was set up by the NCAA to help athletes meet expenses that are not covered by their scholarship.
The NCAA and its member schools paid more than $53 million during the 2010-11 academic year to more than 81,000 student-athletes. The money, which comes from the NCAA’s Student Assistance Fund, paid for trips home, clothing, summer school, tutoring, graduate test fees, health insurance and countless other costs that scholarships don’t cover.
http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/article/2012-08-20/meeting-needs-student-athletes
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I would say that's unlikely at this point. One key piece of evidence is several people at the same time, likely without fully knowing about each-other telling very similar stories. Which shows he has a consistent method. That's not true in Big Ben's case.
There is a reason why his case is going to trial. They have evidence against Sharper. They never had evidence against Rothlisberger.
That may be true in the first case; but in the second case, Ben had a lot of help from the Midgeville police department who were dismissive of the claims made by the woman.
They told Ben about the accusation, but they never formally interviewed him.
They released a non-detailed report so as not to alert the news media.
And, they failed to secure the crime scene which led to the disappearance of a surveillance video and the bathroom being scrubbed down with Pine Sol and Clorox.
I'm all for justice being served; but in this case, it was not.
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Thanks for the nice award. Honestly though, I would rather have been wrong, and none of this happened to the guy. I've had more than a few friends that got into drugs and threw their lives away. The only reason I brought this up that many times, was in the context of just being cautious about attacking someone bringing a local newspaper topic to the forum.
Its fine to defend the overall character of the man, because I believe him to be a good man. It's great to totally support him in his rehabilitation. That being said, no one is above the law, and some are still dismissing a lot of these things as the eccentricities of a billionaire. That is the context I was referring to by comparing it to the old stuff. It was not to portray myself as some kind of guru or prophet. I think even Jim would eventually admit he deserves some kind of penalty, be it NFL, or otherwise. Its long past time for him to meet these challenges head on like in 2002, when he beat it last time. The Indy Star didn't do all of these things, they are just reporting it. Jim just has to take ownership of some of these failings , and overcome them.
Who has attacked anyone for just posting an article from a local newspaper to the forum?
The only attacking I have seen on either side is towards those who seem to think they know all the details when all the details have not been released and have therefore passed judgement.
And, where has anyone said that Mr. Irsay is above the law?
Right now, we know for certain that he was driving under the influence and has a problem with drug addiction. Where has anyone said that was fine and just dismissed it as the eccentricities of a billionaire?
While I will agree that everything else including the amount of money, the 4 counts of having a controlled substance, and the 2009 Blue Trust all sound suspicious and may be indicative of an even deeper problem; none of us know the whole story and jumping to conclusions one way or the other is premature.
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I honestly think the twitter shenanigans were a symptom of his larger problem with the addiction. As I pointed out in posts during the whole Manning dust up, if you look at some of the interviews at the time, he just didn't look right. Although some other people noted this , along with me , I was pretty much blasted for baiting and what naught, when I think the observations at the time were right on, and fair observations at the time.
The "I told you so" post #1.
I recall when I brought up his late night tweets , and odd behavior during the Manning visit , I was hooted down and told he was just an eccentric billionaire. However, I observed the father all those years and recognized the signs. I was hoping I was wrong, but I wasn't . Now, with some people, the excuse making is still going on, when this man needs to meet this problem head on. He doesn't need enabling , he needs support.
The "I told you so" post #2.
You remind me of some of the people that defended the late night tweets, and odd behavior as eccentricities, when some of us pointed to a problem. They now have egg on their face. Before putting up a huge defense like some before you, you may want to wait until more of the facts come out. You still have the blood test, etc, and more info that may come out. We will see what happens.
The "I told you so" post #3.
Look, I'm pulling for Jim, and I understand you guys defending your owner and hoping for the best. I just noticed a pattern of odd behavior that hadn't occurred previously. After being a great hands off owner, he started showing up in the locker room giving pre and post game rants like his old man. Than you had odd pictures with blue face and hair, and odd twitter picture taken in his bathroom ,that look like he was partying, although he may not have been. Then you had the bragging and in your face late night tweets which were out of character with his previous behavior. Then you had the TV interview where he appeared to be slurring his words. I commented on this at the time as politically correct as I could that he looked rough. I got hammered for it, but I didn't want to say something else when I wasn't sure, but I suspected it.
The "I told you so" post #4.
Although I find it annoying and don't understand why you feel the need to repeatedly tell others that you were correct; It sounds like you are seeking some sort of recognition by posting not once, not twice, not three times, but four times to tell Colt's fans that you "told us so".
So, I'm here to give out another one of my "atta boy" awards:
I, shecolt, do hereby bestow upon you, the Old Crow, one "atta boy" award for "telling us so".
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A hypnotist at a HS prom? Why?
Can't say one way or the other about the claim, though I strongly doubt it.
You beat me to it by posting the same thoughts that I was going to share. :highfive:
I really don't care one way or the other about Luck and a hypnotist, but I do question why a high school would hire a hypnotist for an after prom. :???:
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My guess would be no, but your question does make me wonder what a cheerleader's contract, job description, & payment scale look like over 16 weeks shecolt.
Some teams pay better than others and I suppose the job description also varies per team.
In February, a Bengal's cheerleader filed a lawsuit against the team claiming that her pay worked out to $2.85/hour.
In January, a Raider's cheerleader did the same claiming that her pay worked out to less than $5/hour.
But, the US labor department declared that the Raiders were exempt from having to pay minimum wage because cheerleaders are "seasonal amusement".
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/30/cheerleaders-make-minimum-wage-nfl-labor-rights
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I'm not that concerned about the cheerleaders suffering unwanted "groping" while going to anyone's seat for a visit because I would like to think that they would be accompanied by a security guard much the same as they are at Colt's fan fests.
My main concern is whether or not the cheerleaders would get a share of the income derived from this especially since so many of them work for way below minimum wage.
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Lighten up Francis. Kind of hostile for someone that acts like they want nothing but peace. It was a joke. You're so busy trying to be good and all thing pure your memory is shot.
Wow, I’m not sure why all that was necessary.
It seems to me like you were offended by my post on 3/24 which led you to tell me that you liked something. I apologize for anything I said in that post that may have affected your sensitivities.
However, I have no clue why you were offended as I said that I’m sure the same applies to Colt’s fans also.
I remember the post I made on 3/24 very well. So, there was no need for your little jab about my memory. I was confused though as to what you were talking about since your post telling me you liked something was so cryptic.
As I looked back through this thread, I assume that you were referring to “liking” post #96 made by GoPats. If so, I agree that was a great post and I “liked” it also. So, kudos and a round of applause
to you.However, if you go back, reread the post I made on 3/24, and ponder upon it; I would hope that you would realize that I was not talking about Patriot fans liking great posts such as the one made by GoPats, but something else entirely.
Oh, and just an FYI. That post about your “atta boy” blue ribbon was also a joke and was nothing more than a “good” girl being bad.
Again, I apologize for anything I may have said that offended you to the point where you felt it was necessary to respond by taking shots at me.
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This whole thing seems like a Pandora's Box to me.
I know that many of you sympathize with student athletes and feel they are treated unfairly.
But every year, there are thousands of young men and women clamoring to obtain one of these scholarships.
I worked in the athletic department of a D1 school for several years and saw first hand the incoming mail full of letters and tapes by young men and women who were begging for a scholarship.
The funny thing is that not a one of them ever said that they felt they deserved more than a scholarship prior to obtaining the scholarship.
I once dealt with a family with three children. The first was given an athletic scholarship. A few year's later, the second was given an athletic scholarship.
Those parents were extremely angry when their third child was not given an athletic scholarship.
If their first two children were being treated as poorly as some seem to think, it seems odd to me that those parents would have even wanted their third child to receive an athletic scholarship let alone be angry when it wasn't given.
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Thank you for sharing this, GoPats.
I concur with Tom that first responders do not often get the attention and respect they deserve for putting their lives on the line to help others and I am very proud of Tom for what he said.
I can't help but think that his kind words helped to ease a tiny bit of the pain and grief of the family and friends of those two firefighters.
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I'm tired of seeing this man dissed, and disowned by his own team's fans, so I'm going to tell you that I actually like him and believe in him.
Support your owner while you can, not that it really matters as I'm sure he has better things to worry about besides what fans think of him (if I was an owner I strictly wouldn't care what people think of me - not that I really care what people think of me anyway)
Be thankful Arthur Blank isn't your owner
Be thankful Paul Brown isn't your owner
Be thankful Jerry Jones isn't your owner
Be thankful Dan Synder isn't your owner.
Irsay isn't that bad of a guy. He seems like a cool guy anyway.
Give him some support, he is after all your owner and has done a hell of a job with this team over the years. I know a lot of people seem to hate him over Manning, but you have to move forward. Luck is the future, and I believe in Jim Irsay. The Colts will be back in the Super Bowl eventually.
While I agree with the premise of your post in that Colt's fans should be giving Irsay their support (especially now), I'm not certain why you seem to be calling out Colt's fans.
Yes, there were those who were bitter about Manning and those who ridiculed him for his tweeting; but the overwhelming majority of the posts that I have seen regarding Irsay's arrest and addiction have been supportive and I have been very proud of my fellow Colt's fans for the love and empathy that they have given Mr. Irsay.
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See how I liked that shecolt?
I have no clue what you are talking about or why you have singled me out, but it seems that you may be seeking some sort of validation or praise from me.
So, here you go:
I, shecolt, hereby award you, TAPLOOK, with one "atta boy" award for liking something.
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Problem is Mike Tomlin was at that game, and he got in on the NFL coaches photo, so I can't see that being the case of conflict.
Yeah, I knew that.
I was just using this thread as an excuse to post that pic of Bill because it made me laugh.
My bad.
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what a can of worms I opened. I just thought I was sharing a "nice" article.I think I'll go back to knitting now....
It was a nice article, Gramz, and I highly doubt that Brandt was being overly dramatic since his article was on King's MMQ site and Brandt gave quotes and sources.
However, Condon may have been being overly dramatic to make his story sound better. Not sure that Peyton would appreciate that though if he was.
A little off-topic, but I was thinking about you the other day when I heard about a contest to win tickets to the Celebration of Caring Gala on 4/26 for the Peyton Manning Children's Hospital.
Sad thing is that I can't remember who was offering the contest and if it still open. But, I know how much you would have loved to have won those tickets since Peyton will be the Master of Ceremonies.
As for knitting, I prefer crocheting. Would you like to debate about which is better? ;)
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Why isn't Belichick in this photo...???
Maybe because he was too busy attending the Florida/Pittsburgh game with his girlfriend.
Btw, I think we need to take up a collection and buy Bill a larger shirt. That looks bad.
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I really wish I could just close this thread and bring a stop to this senseless bickering.The truth is that all teams have good and bad fans.
All boards have members from other teams that join . . . some come in peace and others to troll.
Over the years, Colt's boards have had more Patriot trolls than all other teams put together which IMO is what has led to so much tension between the fans on Colt's boards.
The sad thing is that the "good" Patriot fans on Colt's boards rarely speak up to those Patriot fans who are trolling. It's more common to see them "liking" whatever the trolling Patriot fan has posted.
I don't hang out on Patriot forums, but I'm sure the same may be said there.
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I should get kudos for not taking advantage of that prime set-up line.
Go ahead. Make my day.
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Is that a bannable offense? I hope so, because I consider him thoroughly annoying.
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It came up in another forum.
This thread was started on 2/3 and the conversation stopped on 2/8.
You posted in this thread on 2/19 to ask, "Why did people lose interest in this thread?"
That opened up the conversation again and it lasted until 2/24.
Now, you are here again on 3/21 and it's just because this topic came up on another forum.
Dude, I may be naive; but I'm not stupid.
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I can't figure out why a steel railing is on the ceiling? What purpose does it serve? Sometimes, the wealthy just baffle me I guess. That's a lot of pointless crap to dust if you ask me...
Maybe it's just a staircase shot from a bizarre vantage point. I don't know. Reminds me of Alice in Wonderland falling down the rabbit hole...
Thanks for the laugh, SW1.That is a shot of the staircase and it is also another reason why I won't be putting in my bid.
Just looking at that pic makes me dizzy
I can't imagine climbing up and down those stairs.
to you.
what a can of worms I opened. I just thought I was sharing a "nice" article.
I really wish I could just close this thread and bring a stop to this senseless bickering.
Should College Athletes be Paid?
in NFL General
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This response is not just to you, but to many others in this thread also . . . especially to those who seem to think that student athletes are left to go hungry and dressing like the homeless man on the street.
First, student athletes CAN work, but there are restrictions. You can read more about that here:
http://www.stanford.edu/~islander/jobrules.html
However, most student athletes do not work for two reasons:
1. Between academics and sports, they simply do not have the time.
2. Very few of them really NEED the extra income.
Contrary to what so many seem to believe, the majority of student athletes do not come from poverty stricken families. Instead, most of them come from middle-income families many of whom have spent a lot of money putting their child into travel leagues and camps with the hopes that their child will be good enough to obtain one of those scholarships some day. And, some who have the ultimate hope that their child will be the next Michael Jordan or Mia Hamm.
Sadly, some of those same parents do so at the expense of their child's education . . . meaning that they push their child to excel in sports while overlooking the fact that their child is struggling academically.
For those students who actually do come from families who are living at or near poverty level, Pell Grants are available that give students up to $5,000 (something) per year.
If that is still not enough, the NCAA Special Assistance Fund for Student Athletes covers such things as clothing, course supplies (which includes such items as a laptop or an I-pad), some medical expenses, and travel costs in the case of a family emergency such as the birth of a child or the death of a loved one.