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10 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I find this thread fascinating. Who supports Pat. Who doesn't. Who is somewhere in-between. Some people here really surprised me, both good and bad.
Personally, I'm not surprised at Pat. I'm horrified with Grigson. I don't understand why people think Pat looks bad. He doesn't to me. The only questionable thing he did was burst into Pagano's office and ask him if he was a part of the problem? He should've given his HC the benefit of the doubt and asked him if he knew what went down. But I chalked that up to just out furious and outraged Pat was that he could barely see or think straight.
Football is NOT a business in the traditional sense of the word. Yes, it's a mult-billion dollar industry, but it's also entertainment. And in the entertainmet world they have a name for confrontatoins like that --- Tuesday. In other words, just another day. In the worlds of sports, and acting and music and yes, even news, things like this happen all the damn time.
People judging this and saying Pat was unprofessional are measuring this against their normal world. A basic 9-5 job where you say "yes sir, or yes ma'am" to your boss. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. Well, you do in other worlds.
In the world I'm talking about the creative, entertainment side (also known as "talent") are people who draw and paint outside the lines. The people who run the place (also known as "The Suits") are people who draw and paint inside the lines. Those two worlds don't co-exist very well. They don't like each other very well. But they need each other. They can't succeed without each other, but they don't much like or often respect each other.
Grigson's behavior was completely unprofessional. Arrogant * doesn't begin to cover it. He was trying to make Pat either grovel for his check, or apologize, or embarrass him. And it came after the Colts laid a big fat egg. I'm not the least bit surprised that Pat pushed back on RG and told him what he thought. This happens far more than we know.
If memory serves me, Pat's last contract, 5 years, 14.5 million, 2.9 Mill per, made him one of the highest paid punters in football. I don't think Grigson liked doing that. I believe the negotiations did not go well and the deal only got done because I think Irsay finally stepped in and told Grigson to get it done and sign the guy to a proper market level contract. I'm sure that stuck with RG. And he seemed to go out of his way to give McAfee the business. I'm glad Pat blasted him.
Finally, I don't think Pat is telling this story to nail Grigson. (Just an added bonus!) I think he's telling it because he had problems with management in his football career. And now he's having problems with management in his radio career. History is repeating itself for Pat and not in a good way. The larger issue for Pat here is dealing with management and not dealing specifically with Grigson. And his generation likes to share their lives on social media. I'm often surprised by what younger people are willing to share on the internet. But whether we like it or agree with it, that's what this generation does. I hope Pat finds happiness somewhere else.
Superb post @NewColtsFan,
"Football is NOT a business in the traditional sense of the word. Yes, it's a mult-billion dollar industry, but it's also entertainment...In the worlds of sports, and acting and music and yes, even news, things like this happen all the damn time."
Very true, with tremendous egos, volcanoes are known to erupt every now & then. Like I told PT earlier though, Pat can't blindly assume Pags & Grigs are joined at the hip in day to day dealings with premier players. In other words, . you can't assume the right hand always knows what the left hand is doing. You see the blind leading the blind in the halls of academia a lot. You'd be amazed at people in close proximity to one another who should talk regularly to each other & yet don't. Or they more or less do their own thing. It's mind-blowing actually.
It is amazing to hear how important Grigson thought he really was. Throwing his weight around like a classic bully. Why did Ryan go after one of the best players we've ever had on our roster who was always dependable & always clutch? I'd love to hear Adam V.'s take on these McAfee revelations. I'm sure Pat opened up to Adam about Grigson at some point. Automatic Adam would keep it classy & be completely professional I know.
"I think he's telling it because he had problems with management in his football career. And now he's having problems with management in his radio career. History is repeating itself for Pat and not in a good way. "
You might be onto something here NCF. Companies pay close attention to how you parted ways with your last employer & where you left things. What was said or not said & your tone upon departure. If you slam your former boss, is this what your new head honcho can expect if things fizzle out & reach a rocky road? Companies don't want a bad breakup completely in the open with a war of words being slug back & forth.
You really shouldn't say stuff over the air like so & so didn't pay me what I thought I was worth. Bleep em. If you are established like Howard Stern, you can get away with that, but not when you're trying to make a name for yourself in a whole new medium you're still learning & trying to master Pat.
Yeah, I'm so glad I didn't come of age in the era of social media too. I get the value in Twitter & connecting people with identical interests & all. I just worry about the need for instant gratification, validation, & self promotion. I don't give a crap about an endless supply of selfies or being liked by millions of people I will never meet face to face in person. I like people who get my twisted sense of humor, want the Colts to win another ring, enjoy quality cinema & high caliber rock n roll/metal & that's about it.
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11 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Here is a couple of other examples
A Coach might be very critical about a player with his staff but shouldn’t at a presser
A teacher might talk about a “difficult” student with their inner circle but shouldn’t Friday Night at the BallGame
Excellent examples @PrincetonTiger...
I will confess to you that sometimes, my temper gets the better of me in certain situations & I've worked on making sure I express my displeasure in the appropriate venue time & place behind closed doors. That's not as easy as it sounds. I've made mistakes & done things I regret in hindsight, but I did learn from it & am more self aware than I used to be.
Again, I appreciate your examples because as teachers, coaches, mentors, & pillars of the communities we reside in...It's about life lessons & what gets imparted on the next generation.
It's clear to me your a good teacher PT & your students, faculty, & community are extremely lucky to have you in their Hoosier State midst my friend.
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Look, I'm gonna keep it 100 right here. Pat is a remarkable special teams player & punter. I have no love for Grigson. The guy was self centered, ego driven, & I'm glad he's no longer our GM. McAfee was treated unfairly for what he meant to our organization & because of that, I'm cool with giving him more freedom to express himself & give him breaks only elite players typically receive in the league.
My issue with Pat is how he treated Chuck Pagano. You can't just drop F bombs against your HC or assume that both he & the GM are conspiring against a HOF kicker to take money away from you or make your life miserable. I get that when we're angry or even furious at a high profile employee that it may feel like the world is out to crucify you. You can't just throw profanity around to every person in the building like equipment guys or Irsay family members within earshot. This is a place of business professional business. Locker room fine, but not in the main offices though.
Pat is a darn nice guy who has done a ton of charity work for Indianapolis. Major props for that. One last question for Pat though: How much traction can you get out of Grigson bashing though? Okay, these 2 men dislike each other. Dare I say even despise one another. Got it. Turn the page please. You made the decision to pursue another line of work. I wish you nothing but success with your podcast & future comedy gigs. What's done is done. Let it go.
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Good move. No complaints. Welcome to INDY Mr. Hewitt.
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13 hours ago, Boiler_Colt said:
We've made Bortles look like Brady in the past so every QB scares me against this Colts defense.
Every opposing QB we face this year scares you? Really? Look, we all know that Luck will be rusty & no one really knows how fluid or stalled our offense will appear out of the gate.
We tend to play well against Cincy usually. I know the Bengals defense is solid, but why concede defeat before the ball has even kicked off? Some level of reservation is okay, but not waving the white flag this early BC.
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On 9/3/2018 at 11:02 AM, Fisticuffs111 said:
I'd vote for a 4th option that's in support of Ballard but also in wait and see mode.
I think some are judging too harshly (mostly just twitter fans, very few people here seem to be in "fire Ballard" mode) but I also think some fans are too quick to annoint him a successful GM. It's way too early to draw many conclusions on his GM'ing ability. I like him and want him to succeed, and I think he's had a pretty promising start, but it's also okay to disagree with some of the moves he's made.You're right FC11. You didn't mention Grigson only Ballard. My apologies. My mistake. Whenever I see the words fire _______. My mind automatically inserts Ryan like a reflex.
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12 hours ago, Fisticuffs111 said:
Not trying to re-invent the wheel. Just thought a wait and see approach made more sense than #3 considering the first two options. That's it, no biggie.
Also, I don't think I said anything about or alluded to Grigson.To be totally honest with you, I've been known to do "Star Trek: The Wrath Of Khan" thing myself more often than I probably should. You know when James T. Kirk can't pass a fatal simulation test so, he figures what the hades why not just change the rules, go off the grid, & get a promotion to admiral for being unorthodox in his solution & beat the test itself.
It really depends what kind of mood I'm in. No harm done. Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
My only pet peeve & it's a minor one is this: If you are going in to take a test & you are told before hand what areas the standardized test will cover, say you suck at Math. You can make the decision to defy the rules & fill in the dots to make a visual mosaic of sorts. However, it's not really gonna help you in the end if you dismiss the rules & go off the reservation.
It's like taking a kid into a fast food joint with only 4 items on the menu: Pizza, burgers, hotdogs, & chicken tenders & the kid is bound & determined he wants spaghetti today. Oh happy joy!
Alright, I've said my peace & will drop the matter now. Carry on...
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17 hours ago, akcolt said:
I coached my son's Pop Warner team from when he was 7yrs old until he started high school. There were 3 of us who son's managed to stay the same size. We had a core of kids that played together into high school. I don't know if you are familiar with Pop Warner but weight matters as much as age.
After a year away one of the coaches and myself started coaching the mighty mites. That's 7-9 year olds under 100lbs at the start of the season under 109 at the end. That's the best age I think. The boys are old enough to learn the game and young enough to let you teach. We run our version of the double wing on offense and a 5-3 on D. They have a play book for O and on D have gap responsibilities set the edge etc
I love it. The older boys like to clown me for saying the same things year after year. They have all heard the winning is easy but losing... the difference between losing and getting beat, if one guy runs the whole team better take off, clapping the last guy in. They get it all. The other coach loves it when the team has to do up downs for jumping off side while hearing how we may not win every game but we will not beat ourselves. It's amazing the football you can get out of 8 and 9 year old kids.
Nice write up AKC. Thanks for giving me a window into your Pop Warner world. You explain yourself quite well, poke fun at yourself to display humility & a genuine sense of team unity, & it's abundantly clear how much you enjoy what you do especially when you see the light bulb turn on about setting the edge among the boys you teach & they win a hard fought game that was at one point in doubt.
"The older boys like to clown me for saying the same things year after year."
Yeah, it is more difficult to keep your audience focused, alert, & sharp than most people think unless you're right in the foxhole, huddle, or sideline with them showing them the ropes literally.
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32 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Yeah I was just wondering what happens when a post does get reported, I just never knew. ColtsBlue explained it to me earlier
It is kind of shrouded in an Alice In Wonderland rabbit hole of mystery isn't it? Translation: What level of priority is an offensive post given? Is there a scale of severity like a missile launch of readiness say 5 to 1? How many reports on a bad post must appear before a trip to the dungeon of misery is required? Dilly Dilly. [Bud Light Joke].
Okay, I'll stop before I go too far.
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4 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Not everyone agrees with you.
I have no clue as to why not either? 
True visionaries are never fully appreciated in the era in which they lived. It always takes the next generation to comprehend their groundbreaking contributions CC1.
That's what I keep telling myself anyway.
All kidding aside, I like having you around man.
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On 9/2/2018 at 10:42 PM, Boiler_Colt said:
Hope i am dead wrong. But honesty I see Dunlap, Atkins and Lawson eating Luck alive and our D not stopping anybody. Its gonna take time to gel.
Cannibalism you say...Or just poetic license BC? Let's roll with 24-20 Colts Win.
You don't have a surplus of confidence in the Red Rifle or Beige Water Pistol in massacring us do ya? Because Andy Dalton doesn't really instill fear in me personally.
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3 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
What if the Post isn't even that bad, does the person reporting it get in trouble?
I did wonder about this very thing early on when I joined the forum CBE. I say that because humor can be hard to glean or ascertain intent from sometimes with just words alone. The big thing I learned the hard way is this:
If you have a serious concern about a policy, person's conduct, or a moderator's protocol about a punishment handed down, always address the matter privately with them through a personal message or e-mail directly to them in a respectful manner behind closed doors never in the open in a thread. Just a cautionary word to the wise.
Once the mods get in tune to the shenanigans of a regular like yourself CBE. They tend to weigh the circumstance, the person in question, & their pattern of behavior in stride. You've got nothing to worry about brother. Usually, most problems are resolved by a removal of an offensive post & life goes on no worse for the wear.
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14 hours ago, Fisticuffs111 said:
I'd vote for a 4th option that's in support of Ballard but also in wait and see mode.
I think some are judging too harshly (mostly just twitter fans, very few people here seem to be in "fire Ballard" mode) but I also think some fans are too quick to annoint him a successful GM. It's way too early to draw many conclusions on his GM'ing ability. I like him and want him to succeed, and I think he's had a pretty promising start, but it's also okay to disagree with some of the moves he's made.Come on now FC11. We all had 3 options from the survey about our GM 1. Genius 2. Not dazzled/impressed or 3. Solid follow through on his sales pitch to ownership & the fanbase. Life is not a spectator sport. You don't get to invent a question that was never asked in the first place. Wait & see is almost identical to abstaining. Pick a selection from the menu of offered choices please. Thank you.
I do agree with you that Grigson is being thrown around like a dog's warn out chew toy for our amusement unfairly. He's gone. No need to torment the man any further like some fans prefer to do regularly. [Not referring to you specifically BTW].
I chose #3 because what he did with the Chiefs still impresses me a great deal. He knows a QB needs a ton of help. No man is an island.
Yeah, Ballard can take any heat thrown at him. We're cool FC11. Just try not to re-invent the wheel next time. Thanks.
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7 hours ago, BR-549 said:
Its not Ballard, Grigson, Pagano, Frank, Irsay or anyone else. Its the nature of this forum.
Every thread starts out the same ... generally good interaction, and then one post gets a member's feathers ruffled and the rest of the thread is turned into attacks on statements, opinions or thoughts of another member or members - sometimes it even becomes personal. Usually there is a little productive interaction trickled in but, mostly unhealthy conversation, and full blown in your face of "you are wrong and I am right" and there is no other opinion allowed.
It really gets old, which is one of the reasons I stopped hanging around as much. Be damned if anyone is allowed to have their own opinion and not get ridiculed or made to feel bad for expressing themselves.
Its okay to disagree, but disagree and move on (I am not speaking to any one member, just generally making a statement). STOP TRYING TO CHANGE PEOPLE, we are who we are.
I wouldn't enjoy being a mod for this forum .... at all. Constant babysitting.
Hey there BR-549,
There is some grain of truth in what you say...That once in awhile threads can get off track, go off the rails, & be misinterpreted as personal shots. Things can get testy around here when an HC is about to be let go once the season ends. Half the forum wants to cut bait & start fresh & the other half wants to claim that loyalists to a regime are short sighted fools who just can't see the light.
I get the bombastic dynamic because when I was a rookie on the forum I had a tendency to be disruptive, combative, & cantankerous to those I didn't see eye to eye with. Eventually, I learned I didn't have to win every argument on the forum or humiliate others. Besides, we all want another Championship for this franchise & sometimes, alternative viewpoints open my eyes to stuff I refused to acknowledge like Luck's interceptions can't be ignored nor his cravings for unnecessary contact since there's only so much a line can do.
Look BR-549, I respect you & I value what you have to say. Don't worry about being mocked or harassed buddy because the instigators who stir up trouble always fade away when games really matter. They just do. Don't let a few naysayers run you off. You have as much right to be here & say whatever you want as I do or anybody else for that matter. The vast majority of forum members are polite, honorable, funny as hades, & much smarter about the X's & O's than I am. Hang in there brother. Please don't be shy okay.
The moderaters do a superb job on here. They can figure out who is being provocative for all the wrong reasons vs folks just intellectually curious who are an asset to the forum.
I look forward to reading more posts from you BR-549. I sincerely mean that.
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6 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
You may overlook the job of a center and his importance but he also run blocks, pass blocks and protects the QB from pressure up the middle. He must also deliver the ball to the QB in the shotgun. Nah, your right. The C position is of no concern.
Oh I forgot, the C position normally calls the formation. We know that means nothing.
CC1,
I love the sarcasm laced throughout this post.
Yes, I know you were making a crucial point, which makes the response even funnier & more poignant too.
You excel at humor that drives home your thesis on more than one level BTW. It's a gift. Not enough people utilize satire enough in this world or understand how to deploy it for maximum impact. Nicely done. Folks that make me laugh I never forget.
No disrespect to the other forum member you replied to either.
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20 hours ago, akcolt said:
I'm on board with Ballard and agree with his basic philosophy on how to build a team. Build through the draft and focus on controlling the line of scrimmage. You protect your QB and get after your opponents. It's not complicated. He explained his philosophy and he follows the plan. There aren't many surprises but when there are he explains his actions and how they relate to the plan.
He has a laid out his profile of the type of players he is looking for. He wants more then just talent. He understands the importance of building a strong locker room. I love the fact he wants to build it through the draft and isn't afraid to put the young guys on the field. He gets free agency and as a result is very cautious signing free agents.
I coach kids and shockingly we don't always win. When we lose our first game I always say the same thing winning is easy anyone can win. When we lose that's when we find out who we are. We have had a few opportunities to see who Ballard is. He has been a stand up guy that will take the heat and share the success.
Ballard is a smart likeable guy who understands and loves the game. I don't think many would argue that. I think his philosophy is sound c and he has an eye for talent. I love what the guy has done so far. I believe the guy will get us back on top. Remember we have not even started his second season. It will be his first with his coaches and the franchise QB.
I have to say I really ejoyed reading this post AKC. Football hasn't changed much over the yrs. You dominate on the line, win in the trenches, & bring down the other QB as often as you can or at least give him frequent love tabs anyway. LOL!
If you don't mind me asking, how old are the kids you coach? I respect people that can teach others & impart knowledge along the way. Yeah, you learn most by failure no question. A healthy mixture of patience, tough love, & renewed motivation to get better every week. Seriously though AKC, major props for showing your students how to handle adversity the right way.
Exactly, Ballard is a straight shooter who owns his mistakes & doesn't dwell on the missteps. INDY will win under Ballard & Reich. Both gentlemen bring stability & calmness & you can't put a price on those character traits.
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Whoa, the Bears actually acquired a potential HOF pass rusher in Mack. I'm surprised that organization actually pulled this off. Their ownership has a knack for being extremely frugal or dare I say cheap. Way to Go Chicago. I suspect Aaron Rodgers probably isn't overjoyed about this move.
Maybe I need to re-evaluate my opinion of the Bears ownership now. That club has a history of drafting darn good LBs. Perhaps, they finally learned elite athleticism is worth every penny you pay for it.
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Whew! This thread is exhausting. I do admire Jared remaining steadfast in the face of opposition that Hines needs to be cut though despite the fact that I think such a move would be premature. While it is true that Tiki Barber did fix his fumbling issue as well as Adrian Pederson, whatever you struggled with in college, you tend to carry with you at the next level normally.
Good coaching can resolve it in most cases, but every once in awhile, guys can't shake the mental fear that they're gonna cough up the rock on game day. It happens more than most fans would care to admit. I'm concerned even leery, but I'll bite my tongue for now.
Don't slam @Jared Cisneros too much. I respect that he vigorously defends his position even if other posters think he's severely misguided. Very few can do that. Stand their ground when the majority of folks believe you're crazy, it's a lost cause, & gladly go down with the ship. I like rebels myself because I'm cut from the same cloth as well I guess.
Anyway, life goes on...What was the topic about again? I forget. Just kidding!
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7 hours ago, shastamasta said:
I hope he does read this forum...cause he doesn't return my calls or texts.
Now that was funny! I live for quality humor like this slid in between intricately detailed posts. Well played Shastamasta; Well played. I betcha Ballard smirked when he read it too.
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On 8/28/2018 at 10:16 AM, 1959Colts said:
It's not really fair to ridicule this poster. Although I can understand all the "rah rah" 2018 Colts team enthusiasm, the team has looked bad in many of the same aspects as years past.
Our slow starts were usually caused by defense's inabillity to stop run and get off the field. along with our offense's poor running game and the O- line failing to pass protect. All of which have been happening with our 2018 first team starters on the field.
It seemed the defense was giving up 6-8 yards per carry when 49ers ran the ball in the first half... that has to be concerning. And along with our OT situation and lack of WRs and RBs one has to question the offense.
It's easy to make excuses that the vanilla play calling is the reason for our struggles, but until Reich shows us otherwise (with some non-vanilla playcalls) we really don't know what the offense actually will look like.
Last night, I watched our 3rd Preseason game on my DVR. Your constructive criticisms about INDY's failure to stop the run are indeed accurate @1959Colts. Yeah, I know. It's too early to fret yet, but I won't lie. I didn't like how easily San Fran's backs were getting large chucks of yardage on us on the ground. I will give Frank time to fix it.
I did like the Ebron touchdown & seeing Luck run out of bounds once. Jacoby played fantastic! Jesus, that kid is tough.
Yeah, I never like seeing teams rough shot against us. That always vexes me even in the preseason. Anyway, I appreciate what you said. Thank you.
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1 hour ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
Huh? He will be in the best situation he will learn from a HOF QB and then take over a team with some great young weapons on offense
Thank you for saying this CF12. Teddy gets a lot of unwarranted criticism if you ask me. He's got a decent arm, can move the chains with his legs, & it bothers me when some people give up on black quarterbacks so early & throw in the towel like the man can't play. He can. He was starting in Minnesota before he messed up his knee.
Sorry to rant here, but it always perplexes me how average QBs like Matt Cassel get chance after chance to continue to play in this league & yet guys like Bridgewater are treated by some like damaged or second hand goods. Strange.
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4 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
People said the last part about Mark Sanchez too
True, I can't refute that. But, regarding Sanchez, he had Darrelle Revis & Bart Scott to carry Mark if necessary. I just like Sam because he reminds me a lot of Eli Manning in one respect: Ignore the press, keep your head down, & go to work getting a little bit better each day.
I think Sam has a thick skin & that resolve will come in handy as he struggles early on. I like this kid & believe he's gonna survive the onslaught & make it.
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1 hour ago, PrincetonTiger said:
All while not under a microscope
47 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:Being a QB in the NY metro area
Yeah, being a field general in the Big Apple does come with an intense barrage of scrutiny no doubt. If you lose on Sunday there, they will eat you alive. It's brutal. I wouldn't wanna be a QB in Philadelphia either. If you win there, you're a God, but if you don't...They will crucify you like a witch in 1692 Salem baby. LOL!
Sam Darold can handle it though. He will stabilize that franchise for the next 12-15 yrs.
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4 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Teddy was expendable because of his injury, AP was not productive
I never said AP was not productive. I merely mentioned/inferred that Alvin Kamara's success early on made Pederson's release almost a foregone conclusion due to Kamara's speed, strength, & elusiveness my friend.
Yes, Bridgewater was traded to get Sam Darnold some help on the OL.
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One last thing:
Part of me gets that Pat was dropping curse words a lot in an attempt to sound provocative & edgy, but it reminds me of something comedian Eddie Murphy said when he filmed his stage routine "Raw."
Remember, this was filmed well before we learned about how Bill Cosby violated women against their will with pills. He was still a beloved father figure on "The Cosby Show" & well liked at this juncture.
Basically, Eddie does this bit in his act where he gets mad that Cosby yelled at him over the phone for dropping too many F bombs & warping the mind of his oldest son. Eddie goes on this clever tirade back to Bill about how he's a smart comic who can't just spew out profanity like a machine gun & be worth millions. He puts in the timing & hard work honing his craft delivering the joke & setting up the punchline for the best reaction in the audience. Bill failed to grasp that crucial fact.
Here's my point: Pat's got work on his craft & fine tune both his material & his delivery which isn't fresh anymore, but tired & old. Bleep this. Bleep that by itself just isn't funny. Find something else to talk about other than Grigson Mr. McAfee. I'm not trying to hurt you. I'm trying to help you. No, I'm no comedy expert I know that. You have name recognition because of your incredible NFL athleticism, but that alone won't sustain a long comedy career.
Right now, you remind me of Bill Cosby's false characterization of Eddie Murphy. Curse words alone won't carry you longterm. You have to highlight interesting observations that play as universal truths. Your delivery is fine. You just need new material to poke fun at.