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  1. Lions would've called a TO, thus the clock wouldnt have ran out.
  2. I think he knew he messed up right after the game when he came up with the personnel thing. There's no way he's gonna admit anything now.
  3. Why would they? Is this a serious question? Check the NFL. Thats how good clock management works. Every teams do that. You see it almost weekly.
  4. Regardless, clock wouldn't have been milked because the Lions would've called TO.
  5. Lions would've stopped the clock so no need to worry about the time there. It just means Colts would've had 1 more TO left while the Lions would've had 1 less. Its called clock management. Its funny to see the Madden references. It never gets old. Madden or not, you're wrong.
  6. Before posting any further, you should scroll back to page 1. Where did anyone argue for the Colts to not take a TO? You're making stuff up. Colts, if they wanted to take a TO, had to let the playclock run down to 1 second. However, the Lions would've prevented that from happening by calling a TO with 1:10+ left (so over 35 secs on the playclock). Now, please go search the NFL rules and show me where it says that if the opposing team calls TO, that you cant sub. You wont be able to find that because the rules dont say that. You're wrong. Dead wrong. Making up stuff like "had the Colts not taken a TO there" is irrelevant. Nobody said taking the TO was the mistake. The mistake was the timing of it. Its extremely simple to understand and its been stated previously in this thread. The fact you're avoiding that and trying to make stuff up for your flawed argument isnt the best way for you to make your point. You're better off admitting you're wrong instead of making stuff up. Not gonna bother replying anymore unless you actually come up with something substantive. And btw, to awnser the 2nd sentence of your post, as I stated before, the fact that the Lions kicker made the FG or not is irrelevant. It doesnt undo Pagano's mistake. Do you know how silly this is to even argue?
  7. The fact the Lions scored (or not) has nothing to do with the gaffe by Pagano. Had the Lions not scored (say FG was missed), this doesnt change from the fact Pagano messed up. Its not related unless what you're saying is this: that Pagano's gaffe gave the Lions more time to setup for that FG. Is that what you're trying to say? No matter how you slice it, he messed up. The fact the Lions kicker made or missed the FG doesnt change anything. Its like saying, had the Jets kicker missed that FG vs the Colts in the playoffs 6 years ago or so after Caldwell's blunder that its not a mistake because the Jets kicker missed the attempt. What kind of argument is that? If anything, you're saying Pagano made a gaffe with calling that TO too quickly because he should've known, since he's the HC, that the Colts dont have a D. He therefore should've done whatever he can to either milk the clock or force the Lions to burn a TO or 2. Your argument is actually working against you.
  8. Pagano's reasoning was wrong. The Lions were always gonna call a TO had the Colts tried to milk the clock. All this would've meant is the Colts would've saved their last TO and the Lions would have 2 left. Last I checked the NFL rules, if 1 team calls a TO, both teams are allowed to sub. There's nothing in the rulebook that prevent 1 team from subbing. Why is this even used as an argument?
  9. I never disputed that the Colts might have had personnel issue. I'm not ever sure why you bring this up or why Pagano brought this up last night. It has nothing to do with this gaffe. If he doesnt call a TO as quickly and tries to milk the clock down before calling a TO, the Lions are forced to call a TO. The only logical explanation to your/Pagano's argument for it to make sense is that the Colts wouldn't have been allowed to sub in had the Lions called a TO. The fact is, Colts would've been able to sub all they want. Therefore, this argument makes no sense. Hence the point, Pagano's gaffe prevented the Lions from burning a TO. His haffe also prevent him from saving his last TO. You cant say Pagano didnt made a gaffe and then agree that it'd have been better for the Colts to still have 1 TO left while the Lions would've been down to 2. That is the definition of a gaffe.
  10. I'm not sure what concept of this you do not understand. If Pagano dont call a TO with 1:15 left on the clock, its because his intentions are: -he's hoping to milk the clock before calling that TO -the Lions would've been forced to call a TO to prevent the clock from being milked In both scenarios, the Colts get to change personnel to whatever they want. Why are you even bringing up that as an argument? It doesnt even matter since either team would've still called a TO. Your argument assume that no TO would've been called. You're making up something that wouldnt have happened to explain why Pagano didnt mess up. Makes no sense. Now, to awnser your last question: Had Pagano tried to milk that clock before calling his TO, the Lions would've been forced to call a TO. This would've only meant the Colts would still have 1 TO, the Lions would've been down to 2, there would still be 1:10+ left on the clock. Tell me how's that not better than the Colts having no TO left and the Lions having 3 TO left? Why is this so hard to grasp?
  11. Your last post was ignorant. Whether the Colts win or lose this game doesnt change the fact Pagano made a blunder. The result of the game is irrelevant. If anything, you're saying Pagano should've tried to kill as much clock as he could (or force the Lions to burn their TO) because Pagano knew his defense is bad. You're actually arguing that he messed up by trying to defend him.
  12. Its funny. You're saying Pagano's gaffe didnt matter because the Colts D is bad. What kind of argument is that? If anything, this means Pagano's gaffe is magnified because then, he REALLY should've done everything he could to milk the clock down. You guys can try to come up with any kind of excuse for Pagano but they dont make any sense. If anything, you're actually arguing that he really messed up ;)
  13. No, he doesnt. You know why? Lions would've called a TO. Thats the whole point.
  14. The Lions would've still called a TO with over 1:10 left. This means the Colts would've still been able to subs. How's personnel related? The fact Pagano said that just shows he missed something. I'm not saying btw that the personnel issue isnt true. I'm just saying it really shows he didnt made that mistake because of time or because he was rushed. It shows he has a weakness in clock management. Its not his first nor his last gaffe in that department. Its a huge weakness for him. He has no ability in that department. Now, if Pagano had not called the TO himself and someone else would've called it instead and Pagano came up with that, then that would be a cover up for that person. And you know what, it'd be perfectly normal because in pro sports, thats what you do: you dont throw your guy under the bus for something like this, you cover for him and take the heat. Thats not what happened tho.
  15. Rewatch the last Lions drive and imagine them only having 2 TOs left instead of 3. Playcall is different, thats for sure. Time wasnt really an issue for them because they still had 3 TOs. You know the playcall is different in that case, right? Thats the whole point.
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