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See, this is the kind of crap that starts the conversation down the wrong path. As has been explained before, KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING the reasoning behind past results is far different than being OK with those results. If we're going to have any kind of healthy discussion that's not going to devolve into the usual bickering, then this kind of "putting words in other people's mouths" really needs to stop.

fair enough. I would prefer none of the starters on offense or defense be the primary returner.

It probably should

THANK YOU!

I disagree. The way this team is ran, the buck stops with Irsay, not Ballard. Irsay is the one that extended Reich. Irsay is the one who extended both Grigson and Pagano. Ballard could not fire Reich or changed the ship's course until Irsay was also on board.

Well the thing is, the Luck retirement was just the starting point. At that point, they felt they'd built a team that was ready to compete, so they brought in Rivers. From that point, they kept going the FA route for a new QB rather than draft one (which has been reported to have been Ballard's preference, but not that of Reich. I know some will say that Ballard should have overruled Reich but two points....1, Irsay could have very well been in agreement with Reich at that time as well in regards to trying to "win now" rather than start over with a new rookie QB and 2, a GMs job is to get the kind of players his HC wants. When the GM has an offensive minded HC, especially one that used to be a QB himself, then QB is the one position where that HC should get who he wants and then either sink or swim with said QB. That's what happened to Brian Billick. He convinced the front office he could turn Kyle Boller into a franchise QB. Billick was wrong and that's what got him fired. Same situation with Reich. He got the QB he wanted (multiple times in fact) and ultimately sunk himself. I know a lot of people are unhappy with the lack of results in the past 8 years, but there are reasons for the lack of results that need to be understood.

didn't we hear similar about the browns many, many times? This seems incredibly premature by those good folks at JPAFootball.

if a little tolerance was all that was required, then this wouldn't be a discussion.

How familiar are you with Afroman? lol

do you still see the threads that were created?

also, do they make the trade up for Anderson if they hadn't had all those extra picks from the Watson deal?

I can certainly appreciate that and can't necessarily disagree. I was to the point I was hoping to see the news we'd made the trade.

I don't mean to speak for jvan, but I think it's possible that, though he was responding to you, that portion was in reference to someone else.

Oh I would have been fine with that too. I'll be honest, even before Richardson got hurt last year, I felt that the best outcome for his rookie season would be for him to stay healthy, show improvement as a passer and the team be competitive in every game, but finish with a losing record and preferably a top 5 pick. When he got hurt, I was even more ready for that eventuality. In the end, I'm not upset that the team fared as well as they did because it showed that the roster isn't as bad as some make it out to be and it instilled a great deal of confidence in Steichen. I was just saying that the only way to make that happen is to intentionally do it. A lot of fans would even consider what you suggested tanking...getting rid of higher paid players (which are usually going to be your best players) and not doing anything to replace them. Is that an "evaluation year" or a "tank job". Tomato tomahtoe I guess

I started watching the traffic stops (12 Taze of christmas was great) but lately i've been watching videos of them in court getting destroyed lol. My favorite channel is Team Skeptic. There's a video of a judge Oakley (only one of him so far that I know of) that is amazing.

Exactly...flat earthers and sovereign citizens are who I point to when people say that an opinion can't be wrong. lol

not mocking the person...mocking the "sky is falling" and "I know better" posts

Well unless you're willing to tank, there's no way to make sure you suck for 2-3 years.

Colts played most of those teams with their own backup QB. Your point?

Really? We don't need any depth behind Grover? We didn't need a new backup QB? I have the option of playing Franchise mode in Madden with injuries turned off. Ballard does not.

Gotcha, I do agree with your overall point. It was the reference to 1984 and the government that I admit kinda set me off. I've seen waaaay too many people online literally not have a clue what the right to free speech actually protects them from. My apologies

One evaluation year would be nice.

I agree with the first sentence, but not necessarily the rest. The Texans saw enough of Stroud to know he can be a franchise QB. The Colts haven't actually seen that yet from Richardson due to injuries. That's the difference between the 2. I don't think it has anything to do with contentment about a division win.

I'm sure we have a really good idea, but to be fair we don't truly know and never will unless Ballard comes out and tells us. I'm in IT. I don't like dealing in absolutes and never will unless I am 100% sure I am right. lol

LOL God forbid the company that owns this forum be able to set up the terms of service that they want and appoint people to enforce those terms. This isn't exactly something new.