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36 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Your fanbase had a little more patience with Cousins because he is good, like I told @NFLfan, wait and see how life without Kirk is. Good luck next season because to be honest they will finish 3rd in their division at best without Kirk. You need good QB play to beat teams like the Lions and Packers. You guys hopefully will take Penix or Nix and not JJ Jones. I like the Vikings and my father was a Vikings fan from 1973-2019 to the day he passed way. So I have spent a lot time invested in the franchise. I can tell you everything about the Vikings regarding what SBs they have went too with Bud Grant, their 1998 team with Moss and Carter, etc..
You speak as if we don't understand how life without Kirk will be. And, you had no clue how it was with Kirk either, which you don't seem to understand even after pointing out (now for 3rd time). You also speak as if Kirk has Vikings at the top of the division, lol
The best part of life without Kirk is it will be a step towards getting a permanent franchise QB, because (a) Kirk is not that (b) no use in waiting for a 36-year old to become franchise QB. We'd rather have Darnold and pick closer to top 10 or better rather than paying 40+ million for a finish in draft range of 14 - 25.
When you say Vikings had more patience because he was good, you overlook the amount of money he was milking while being slightly above average. Whatever worth Kirk was being better than Wentz, he got paid very well for that too, so that only adds to more frustration about finding a franchise QB.
If you pay 40+ million for a QB for average results year after year for 6 years, you'd feel the frustration but at this point you're not able to look from others' perspective so no point in discussing further.
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25 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Carson Wentz could not carry Kirk Cousins jock strap. It isn't even close between the 2 career wise, look it up. Cousins is much better than Wentz and is still a good QB today.
32 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:. Had we had Cousins in 2021 instead of Wentz, we would have won 11 games and won a playoff game at worse. I have never said Cousins is great, but he is good and with the right team can win a lot of games. I blame the Vikings FO for never having a good defense when Cousins was there.
Yes, Wentz can't come ever close to Kirk's abilities but that's not my point.
You need to re-read what I said, the best way to explain Cousins' issues is to be a fan of his team and experience his play when you're emotionally invested in the franchise's success.
That doesn't mean they are comparable.
Being much better than Wentz means no big endorsement either.
As for the excuses you made for Cousins, I look forward to hearing all the similar excuses from Falcons forums! Gonna be Awesome for a change after past half-decade!
I'll say one thing - Colts fans can't handle 1 year of Wentz, including the owner. And half year of Ryan, including the owner. Vikings had shown better patience with Cousins in 6 years, when his first two years ended like Wentz' year with Colts, except for the difference of lot of fantasy stats and highlight reels. You'd again point to how Cousins is so much better than Wentz, and it will be a circular argument - which is why I tried to explain what Superman felt and how it reflects being a fan of Cousins' team.
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12 hours ago, NFLfan said:
Excellent article on the Athletic
https://theathletic.com/5420476/2024/04/22/nfl-draft-nil-money-impact?source=user-shared-article
NIL money has changed the draft. This year a much smaller number of underclassmen declared for the draft. Many players who could have made the draft stronger stayed in school because they get paid in college. Also, many believe that because many underclassmen stayed in school, only about 150 to 170 are draftable (have the talent to be drafted). Some getting drafted this year would have been undrafted in earlier years.
It should be a fun draft anyway.
It evens out... If they stay in college, they get more experience and come to NFL as much more nuanced players, it might help the NFL in long term.
It's only in this Draft or a couple more that we'd see the effect of underclassman players staying in college more, but in long term if that continues to be the trend, that gets evened out, and the advantage is more college players playing for more years overall, and that should only help NFL teams, scouts and GMs.
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17 hours ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Spencer Rattler better than Michael Penix Jr and Nix. Wow! That has to be one of the most ridiculous takes I have ever heard. To be honest I have never heard of that Tice guy either. McCarthy will be the biggest bust in this draft and I feel confident in saying so. McCarthy = Mac Jones. Washington went as Penix went, he had to carry Washington all season with an above average O.Line and average running game. He had Rome and that was about it. McCarthy had the best O.Line in the country and arguably the best running game as well. He was a game manager and could win as long as he didn't turn it over. Michigan beat Washington because they ran for nearly 300 yards. Tommie Frazier would have won it all with that type of offense and he wasn't even drafted.
Regarding Kirk Cousins, at least you don't have him to pile on anymore. You will see how life without Kirk is, the Vikings will be lucky to win 7 games and I like the Vikings as a team. My father would be so disappointed in the Vikings FO right now and their fans at the way Kirk was treated. He was still alive in 2018 when the Vikings got Kirk and he loved the move. He was the biggest fan I ever knew. He loved them when they got Fran in the 70's and was a fan until he passed away in 2019. His favorite player was Peterson in this era. He said he would take him over any RB that ever played except maybe Barry Sanders.
Kirk Cousins career with the Vikings: 2018-2023
*50-37-1 Record. A playoff win at New Orleans Saints in 2019, beating Brees.
*4 seasons with over 4000 yards
*3 seasons with over 30 TD's
*7.8 Y/A
*68% Completion
I know, they should draft Penix.
Kirk has been treated much better and with much more respect than Wentz was treated in Indy. And was showed with Love and truckloads of money in Minnesota, and was defended constantly with much more ferocity by Vikings fans than people defending Ballard in Grievances thread.
it'd be crazy to think of injustice against Kirk for a few minority who criticize his play.
We're Going back and forth on Kirk debate which will go on for eternity, but I struck Gold when I saw recently @Superman explaining how he felt watching Wentz playing with other teams before he got to Indy and how it felt watching him play for Colts when you're emotionally invested with the franchise.
There's no other way to perfectly describe Kirk Cousins' career and his QB play.
For every fan around the NFL, especially for fantasy football fans, Kirk will be a hero and am above average QB. But, when you're emotionally invested in your favourite franchise and Kirk plays QB for your team, you would come close to understanding how excruciatingly frustrating his play and smartness and game awareness are (or shortage of them are), that all contributes to team missing playoffs many years and even when they qualify, no one sees Kirk as a threat in playoffs. Ever. Your team would be paying Elite QB Money for that, and you'd be constantly in debate with criticizers Vs defenders. Until he plays for your team, you won't realize that, and I totally understand.
Anyway, happy to pass on that frustration over to Falcons fans, they'd know soon. First of all, Kirk takes at least a season or two to trust his OL, even if you put an elite line and weapons around him, and it's all in his head. I'm going to sit back and read Falcons forums for Fun in 2024 Season! Good Times!
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20 hours ago, w87r said:
Should be interesting, supposed to hear the Falcons punishment for tampering with Kirk Cousins
Wonder if they make them swap 8 for 11 as punishment.
The made the Cardinals swap with Eagles a pick for tampering of Gannon
QuoteThe Eagles swapped third round picks with the Arizona Cardinals and sent their 2024 fifth-round pick to settle a tampering issue after the NFC West team apparently contacted then-Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon too early in the hiring process.27 Apr 2023
Cardinals got a swapped 3rd round draft pick, at best.
I don't know why people are talking about the swap of #8 and #11, how would the punishment be so harsh for Falcons, compared to the precedence from past year?
I think it has to do with romanticizing draft pick exchange during people's mock drafts during this time of the year - Draft Season.
If there's any punishment for Falcons at all, it will probably be lighter, same as last year or an early day 3 draft pick.. people expecting top 50 or top 15 draft pick for Vikings as punishment of Falcons will probably be disappointed.
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3 hours ago, ProblChld32 said:
Are you aware of who the OC’s were under the Luck era? That’s the reason it wasn’t a run first team because of the offense that was ran. AR’s skillset is the reason why he’s perfect for an RPO style of offense. As for JT he’s going to be a Colt till atleast 2025. It’s easy to point out players in hindsight but the entire point is everyone is claiming the need to trade up to secure a “Generational” talent but many have already boasted that this is the best WR draft class since 2020. We can strike gold on a WR that is not named Harrison , Nabers or Odunze.
Agreed on possibility of getting a great talent and WR1 outside the top receivers but need to get it right and the board has to fall favorably, and sometimes that might need a trade-up which may be unfavorable for the Colts. However, if the team believes in him that much, cost shouldn't be a hindrance ideally, and willingness to give up would be the question mark.
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1 hour ago, Mike06181 said:
Kitchens has a bad ras. No way colts take him. I think he will be a good player and pick is ok. I never see the colts going te in rd 1. Regardless how good bowers is going to be.
Yeah, if the exercise was about what Ballard would do, I'd not be wasting my time in mock draft though
I think about what Ballard would do, but eventually go with my instincts.
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I was drafting the players I liked, and now realize some of them don't have good RAS at all
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I'll not be available for next 2 days, so gonna go for best available WR or CB at this point..
So far, my picks for Colts are
Brock Bowers, TE
Kamren Kinchens, S
Christian Mahogany, OG
Renardo Green, CB
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Link is here for the draft in Vikings forum, clicking the link opens the Google Sheets
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1 hour ago, ProblChld32 said:
This draft is loaded with offensive talent as Ballard noted. The move up to try to secure a MHJ , Nabers or Rome will be STEEP. People are forgetting how good a Adonai , Brian Thomas, Troy Franklin or Legette could be. This team will always be a run first team not a pass centered team so the need for a DYNAMIC Wr isn’t really as pressing as people make it seem. You can still get quality players if you trade back and acquire more picks for MORE quality players. Just look at the 2020 draft class Justin Jefferson didn’t come off the board until pick 22.
Ceedee went 17. Juedy went 15 , Aiyuk 25 and Higgins 33. So I disagree I don’t think we NEED to trade up and I surely hope they don’t.Two relevant points.
Regarding the team ALWAYS going to be run first team, RB shelf life is short and JT has already played a lot of years compared to average peak time for RBs, so there aren't many years in him into the future unless he goes on like Adrian Peterson. This team was run first because QBs weren't good, was it run first with Andrew Luck? I don't think this team is going to be run-first offense ALWAYS, especially after drafting AR, while expecting him to grow to be a franchise QB-level passer.
Yes, it's all true that Jefferson got drafted at 22,Ceedee went 17, Juedy went 15 , Aiyuk 25 and Higgins 33 but GM has gotta pick the right guy at right time and other teams shouldn't get to the right guy before Colts do.
For every Jefferson at #22 example, there's a Jalen Reagor at #21. The toughest part in picking Jefferson at #22 is not picking a bust like Reagor and missing out on Jefferson. As you go away from the top of the Draft, hitting on busts is more likely than exactly drafting the perfect right guy. Drafting isn't that easy, without the help of hindsight.
Right now, We can't name which of the WRs in upcoming draft will be a good value, good return pick, even though this draft class is super, super deep on WRs. Of course, 4 years later in 2028, everyone can point out Jefferson or Higgins or Lamb or Aiyuk of 2024 WR Draft Class.
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1 minute ago, Yoshinator said:
Zinter will miss most of the year next year. Not sure I'd take him in the 3rd round. Love Jackson. Dorius is good. Smith is ok. Puni I have more of a 4th rounder. Taylor is a luxury pick based on our DL. Sounds like the Vikings forum is smart if these are the main options remaining.
WRs available
Walker, Corley, Burton, Polk, Washington, Rice, McMillan, Baker, Johnny Wilson, Thrash
Some of them could be available in round 4 as well
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6 minutes ago, Yoshinator said:
Pearsall played a year at Florida with Anthony Richardson, so there's some familiarity there between the two. Haynes is a favorite of mine, he has versatility at G and T. If he's there in round 3, take him. An EDGE you could go in round 3 is Adisa Issac, he's one of the better day 2 EDGE rushers in the class after Kneeland.
CB is very deep actually. You should have no problem getting one in round 3 or later.
Isaac and Kneeland have been taken by now. LBs are definitely an option as only one has been taken so far. Lot of CBs are available, I'd be comfortable picking in round 3, not earlier though.
Players I'm targeting apart from LBs:
Zak Zinter
Khyree Jackson
Brandon Dorlus
Masson Smith
Dominick Puni
Leonard Taylor
Few other CBs
So, options are rich going into #82, only 17 picks to go!
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Just now, Yoshinator said:
I would have taken Pearsall at 46 myself in your situation. In the 3rd round, maybe someone like Cam Hart or Khyree Jackson at CB could be a good pick. If Jonathan Brooks or Jaylen wright could be good at RB. I also like Junior Colson in the third round if he's available.
I think Colts' current roster heavily moved me towards addressing defense, but didn't like CBs available by round 2, so went for a safety.
I could've gone for LBs as only Edgerrin Cooper had been taken by then. I could've gone for Christian Haynes, í liked OTs Kingsley Suamataia and Patrick Paul but didn't want to draft OT. I've not studied much on Pearsall, so my ignorance played a part in not picking him.
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@Yoshinator @Solid84 @RollerColt @crazycolt1 @chad72 @stitches @CR91 @w87r @John Hammonds @csmopar @SaturdayAllDay @coltsfanej @Archer @Defjamz26 @TomDiggs
I've been picking for Colts in Vikings forum Mock Draft that started last night, and we had 2 rounds completed.
I picked TE Brock Bowers in round 1 and S Kamren Kinchens in round 2, didn't get to trade up or down, so I'm probably gonna let the board fall and pick the best player available.
5 QBs were taken in 1st round, there was a run on OTs and top 3 WRs, and 2 Edge rushers. 0 CBs and 0 DTs were taken when I was on clock, so all of them were available. Edge Latu was also available among others. I went with Bowers as that'd be rare opportunity to get an explosive, potential elite weapon on offense.
By Colts pick in round 2, there was a huge run on CBs, OTs and OG/Cs, and S Nubin was also taken. All of the other top WRs were also taken, and I was eyeing on Ladd McConkey who just went a pick prior to Colts, otherwise I'd have taken him, even if that meant going offensive playmakers back to back.
I didn't like many of the other receivers or DL players available, as I had lower grade for them for #46, Ricky Pearsall and Mike Sainristil were there , other players available were TJ Tampa, two other top LBs who I considered, DT T'Vondre Sweat was also available... Among Safeties, only Nubin had been taken already at that point, so all other Safeties were there.
I considered between Kinchens and Bullard, both of whom I liked, but eventually thought Kinchens' versatility in playing different positions would suit Colts defense better.
Rounds 3 and 4 tonight...
Let me know what you think I could've done or you'd have done, that'd help me target in upcoming rounds.
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48 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
This QB draft class is a lot better than the 2022 class, that class was bad. Last year's QB class was ok and I think Stroud and Richardson will have the best career's. This one here has a lot more talent than 2022, it is just a matter of who guesses right or wrong. Daniels can run and pass, he is dangerous. Penix can run a pro level type offense, Williams is loaded with talent.
Yes, this QB class can survive because of their athletic ability that translates well to the modern NFL. But, I'm trying to find a QB in the class who can do all the running (which most of them are good at) AND also be able to understand what defenses try to do, and make or change plays within the pocket.
By the virtue of Penix having played inside the pocket almost all the plays, he should've developed an innate ability to do just that, so maybe he'll translate well mentally. Though his tape seems to show concerns about his touch and accuracy in short and intermediate levels. You may be proven right if he could develop into a more accurate passer that can throw with anticipation.
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1 hour ago, John Hammonds said:
I agree. I think this is another one of those over-hyped QB classes that will probably never perform to the level of the hype.
But -- teams still need a quarterback. And will convince themselves that that must take one of these quarterbacks. That it's the only solution to their problem. If I was forced to choose, I would probably go with Heisman winner Jayden Daniels. I'm concerned that Caleb Williams may have some personality issues to go with his lack of measurables, even though he shows strong ability to improvise. Drake Maye has the measurables, but I have questions regarding the level of opposition playing at UNC. It's not the same as playing the equivalent of the Crimson Tide every single week. JJ McCarthy is "good". And he's been successful. He led his team to a BCS championship. And? I see him in the same mold as AJ McCarron. Supremely successful in college, but not good enough to be The Guy in the pros.
Yes, if I'm forced to choose, I'd go with Williams, despite him earning some reputation with all the garbage talk from his camp even since the year before the actual draft. I read a scout saying that the PR guys (including his father) Williams has led him to those bad reputation and decisions, when he should've gone under the radar with much more good vibes surrounding him. Anyway, it's on him now to prove by his play in the NFL.
I'd also go with Daniels, as Williams seems just out of reach for anyone other than Bears. Concerns with Daniels are about his durability and the ability to dissect NFL defenses, but if he becomes injury prone in the NFL, at least that'd help the team to move on to finding the next franchise QB.
My overall gripe with this QB class is that no one stands out as being strong in his ability to go through progressions and reads, as many of their offenses seemed to involve limited reads. So it falls squarely on the individual's intelligence to be able to translate at the highest level, and there's no way any fan like us would get to know without working him out and bringing him in for interviews - which teams are doing with those QBs. So, NFL teams will need to figure out who among this class can consistently pick apart NFL defenses or at least grow into that level.
This QB class is different because the tape of them doesn't tell that part of the story due to the offenses they played in.
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I think most important option is missing in the poll : No One.
I think it's a fairly average QB class that it's okay to not like anybody enough to draft him. There's no one QB that Wows you with their pocket passing Caliber or pure athletic traits or good combination of both. It's like a tweener class of all those abilities, having lop-sided combination of above said skills.
And, this poll, rather than forcing to pick one QB, needed that extra option to express staying away from this QB class.
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11 hours ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Well, it appears Ballard will have fluid monies available to jump on a post June cut, or swing a deal in August if AR's progression is promising. We also may see a sizable UFA signings post draft. Interesting departure for Ballard for sure. I had to read it twice!
UFAs are like UFOs.
When you see it, you believe it
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Hi everyone, 2024 Gavin's Mock Draft is complete, this time for all rounds!
You can post your picks and provide a Draft Summary and grade, if you'd like!
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5 minutes ago, Mike06181 said:
Thank you for running this outstanding draft! Maybe see you at the lions vs
colts game.
I'm not in US.. maybe in future one day again. Enjoy the Colts game, should be fun season this year. And, let's regroup to share how the draft went on for everybody.
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So, Tua's brother is our Mr. Irrelevant
Thank you @Mike06181 for helping out, it's such a fun draft this time! Hope to catch up with you again after Lions' actual draft, Good Luck building a championship team in Detroit and for long suffering Detroit fans!
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Can you suggest 2 players for Jets?
One slightly Relevant,
Another Mr. IrRelevant
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Pick 255, GB Packers select
Tory Taylor, P, Iowa
Rams snatched the K Packers wanted, so went ahead with Punter instead.
I think about what Ballard would do, but eventually go with my instincts.
2024 NFL Draft Thread (Final Discussions, Predictions, Rumors, etc…)
in NFL Draft, Scouting, and Free Agent Talk
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It makes sense to trade down for the same reasons. Two positions on OL, and two positions on DL might leave next year and even if not, will be open in couple of years and some of the re-signings will be gone in 3 years if not sooner. That assumes all the re-signing will be success but not all of them might perform at high level, especially at CB and S.
If the strategy is to draft and re-sign, then you will need to continuously draft a lot of players in all positions because not much is coming from free agency. You've got to make lot of draft picks, and not all of the drafted players are gonna work out. That's the very reason for multiplying the draft picks and plunging on much larger pool of talents in second and third rounds of the Draft.
Holder's logic only works out if all of re-signing and drafting are going to be success, and the "proven" players aren't close to elite except for some on DL and OL, RB and WR, and NCB.