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Bob Barker says the price will not be right.....
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21 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:
I’m not tripping over giving Tyrell Williams too much money because I know Ballard won’t. We were after Jensen and Norwell last year too. Had interest in Alshon the year before that as well. Ballard will give Williams a value and once the market exceeds that value, they’ll be comfortable walking away.
That's my thinking too. I think TW will want to maximize given his age coming off the contract he had. And I don't blame him, but doubt Ballard is willing to get in a bidding war. Ballard will likely say "hey, we like you. you'd do great here long term with a great QB. here's our best offer", and leave it at that.
I've seen "interest" articles all over the place. Buffalo, 49ers, Browns, Colts, etc... I'm sure we'll see a Pitt article soon lol.
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For me, it's more of a what (position), than a who, that I don't want in the draft.
I really don't want a S in the draft. And perhaps not a LB either. Those are two positions that are typically undervalued, and best snagged in FA.
Give me Edge, WR, and Inside DL or CB with our first three picks. All higher dollar positions, best built off the draft. In the 3rd and later rounds, give me solid value, and hidden gems at OL, RB, TE.
With Doyle and Ebron both expiring in 20, might be time to look for a hidden gem TE in the later rounds.
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And, with AB going to the Raiders for a 3rd and 5th... nothing would surprise me.
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13 minutes ago, akcolt said:
Clark was kicked off the Michigan football team for DV and MIC charges for a hotel fight with his girlfriend Then he didn’t come off well explaining himself. That played a big role in his draft selection. The Hawks took heat for drafting him. I remember a riff between he and Sherman while in Seattle.
There were a lot of red flags so Clark may not be a locker room fit to begin with. If he checks out with Ballard as far as locker room and agrees to a new deal. He is what we need on the edge.
If Seattle is all about JB maybe we send him and our 2nd for Clark. That probably isn’t enough but I’d explore a trade. I hear the Bills have inquired about Clark
There's enough news going around, I think it's safe to say they are shopping him.
I do worry about the off field stuff, but as far as I know, he's kept a low profile since. He definitely looks to be putting in the work.
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1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:
That's fine. I get it.
Again, I'm only saying that if there's any truth to their rumor, then JB is not the key piece in this deal. Seattle is not trying a top RDE for a back-up quarterback, no matter how good. So, it's a high draft pick or picks plus JB for any deal to take place.
Otherwise, it's fantasy land.
I agree, but I've also seen stranger things. Seattle is absolutely looking for a BUQB. They also don't have a lot of cap room. Wilson and Clark are huge hits. If Seattle doesn't see themselves signing Clark to a big long term next year, they may be trying to move him now while they can. It will just be harder and more expensive if they try to tag him for a second year.
He's (Clark) a second rounder, so I could see them perhaps taking JB, and a second and third, for Clark. That would open up cap, give them a BUQB that they need, give them a second (that they don't have), and another 3rd. If you look at their top needs, it's DE, OL, and CB. They might just give up Clark to clear cap and address their top 3 needs (all are high dollar positions you want to address in the draft), plus get a BUQB.
I could see them dropping Paxton Lynch quick (zero guarantee). f
But, who knows :-)
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23 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:
They had traded the 2018 2nd rounder for Sheldon Richardson prior to 2017 and the 2019 2nd rounder for Duane Brown halfway through 2017. So if they offered a 2nd rounder like you say, before the 2018 draft it could only have been a 2020 2nd rounder which is highly doubtful.
What I'm saying is that it could have been for a future, but also could have been for a potential pick they might have gotten in another trade (in order to get different pick). They were very active, and are very active traders.
Not saying it was a second rounder at all. I just believe there was talk, and an offer. And I also believe Seattle was, and is looking. Hell, the talking heads and fans are already asking if RW is worth a new contract. % happens in the NFL :-)
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3 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
The key is they're not looking for a STARTING quarterback. They might be looking for a back-up.
Russell Wilson is their starting QB.
When you have a QB like RW, who gets sacked a ton (he was sacked 51 times last year), you need a quality back up, and one you expect to play a lot of snaps. And, one that fits your system. Their back up need vs a need like ours is much greater.
For comparison, Brady was sacked 21 times, Luck 18.
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21 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
Here is the thing though. The draft is always a crap shoot. If you did trade for the first pick your getting someone already proven. Just a thought.
A rookie contract, if it works out, saves you a lot of money over a FA. That's why you see such a rush on Edge and pass rushing DLs in the draft.
12 minutes ago, MPStack said:That rumor came out in August after the 2018 draft. Seattle has no 2019 2nd pick, so believe what you want in regards to Brissett to Seattle. Seattle denied it and why a team with a franchise QB would’ve made that trade makes no sense, on top of having no 2nd pick to trade for him.
If, Brissett is still on the Colts roster in 2019, that pretty much reinforces it was nonsense.
When it was reported is really irrelevant. And Seattle didn't deny it. Ballard is the one that actually denied it. He denied though it was second rounder, he did not deny there was an offer. The words he used tells me some kind of offer was made.
10 minutes ago, Boiler_Colt said:They didn't have a 2018 2nd round pick either.
Seattle traded/upgraded/downgraded 4 of their picks that year IIRC. What they had when whatever offer was or wasn't made, might not be what they expected to have, or what they ended up with.
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Seahawks never denied it. Some little known dude from CBS sports said it didn't happen, but didn't name sources. The Globe IIRC stood by their story, and said the offer happened prior to that year's draft (when they had a 2nd round pick).
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Just now, Chloe6124 said:
Ok he is young at 25. Would the colts give up their first pick. All the good DE ends will be gone by the 26th pick. Since this guy is young it would be like getting a DE at that spot but a guy who has already proven himself. I think I would.
Not only would we lose a 1st round draft pick, we'd be paying a high price for either a one year rental (he's tagged), or a sign and trade long term contract. Lot's of money + high draft pick. There will be some decent pass rushers left at our first two picks.
Keep in mind Clark was drafted late second round. He's proof that you can find studs after mid 1st.
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4 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
How old is this Clark guy?
25, just coming out of rookie contract. FT'd last week.
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I mean Seattle did FTag him, so we can't assume things are going perfect there. It's always a head scratcher to me when a young guy coming off his rookie contract, just had his best year, is a stud, and they don't work out a long term deal?
Clark doesn't seem to mind, as he tweeted at Kwon Alexander trying to recruit him to Seattle just yesterday. But, there are a lot of rumors that Seattle are the ones shopping him.
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6 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
While only time will have the answer it sounds like a lot of his negatives can be coached out of him.
Maturity and training by good coaches can make or break a player.
With him sitting after his injury and dealing with what it takes to come back from that injury I can't help but think he matured a little over that time.
I'm thinking the same thing. His injury might be a blessing in disguise for the young man. I just hope it doesn't take away any of his speed.
2 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:While I didn't watch much of Clemson at the time wasn't Clemson basically a running team especially with Watson as their QB?
No, Watson put up huge passing numbers his last year. They ran plenty too.
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17 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
What the list of weaknesses doesn't say, but it's been written elsewhere on the internet, is that that season was the season AFTER DeShaun Watson went to the NFL. So, there was a noted drop off in the quality of Clemson's QB play.
IDK. Bryant was just as accurate (67%) in 17 as Watson was in 16. He just threw a lot less. If Cain's targets went up in 17, and his drops increased, that's not really a great excuse if Bryant's completion % was the same.
I live in ATL and have a few big time Clemson buddies. They're whole thing about Cain was simply his focus and consistency.
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9 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:
He played for Clemson and played on the championship team in 2017. He had 38 catches, 724 yds and 9 TDs catching balls from Deshaun Watson. The thing is what you see on youtube is all any of us has to look at.
He fell a couple of rounds in the draft because of a drug suspension his freshman year. The general consensus is he is a very good receiver and was a steal in round 6.
According to Reich he stood out in training camp with his ability to go up and get the ball and played good in press coverage.
I agree he was a huge steal. And I have very high hopes for Cain. Big fan of the value.
That said, he does have weaknesses. Draft profile below.
Weaknesses
Failed to post expected production jump after taking over WR1 duties from Mike Williams
Targeted more but production declined in almost every meaningful category
Will need to expand his route tree as a pro
Doesn't separate as much as he could underneath
Can run routes with more urgency and suddenness
Fluctuations with focus has plagued him
Has seen drop rate increase in each of the last two seasons
Needs to play stronger through his routes
Appeared to get flustered at times by length and size across from him
Penalized 10 times over three years with a majority being false starts
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Was talking WR strategy with a buddy of mine. He was more adamant that I was about taking a WR early, or going big in FA. We talked a lot about how much we were "WR by committee" this year, and while some did ok and improved, we were far from adequate. Got me thinking about snap count... Below are the top offenses (yards per game) ranked, and their WR 1 and 2 snap counts.
Team / WR1 Snap Count % / WR2 Count %
KC / 86.6 / 76.8 /
LAR / 94.6 / 89.9 /
TB / 84.2 / 70.0 /
PIT / 89.4 / 86.0 /
NE / 71.8 / 66.8 /
ATL / 78.3 / 77.2 /
IND / 67.2 / 52.2 /
NO / 88.4 / 62.1 / (Kamara is as much WR as RB)
BAL / 69.1 / 67.7 /
CAR / 91.3 / 69.3 / (McCaffrey is as much WR as RB)
LAC / 79.8 / 76.5 /Key notes:
-Indy has the lowest WR1 Snap Count %
-Indy has the lowest WR2 Snap Count %
-Indy has the lowest WR1+WR2 Snap Count %
-8 teams have WR2s with higher snapcounts than Indy's WR1
-Not shown, but several teams had WR3s with snapcount % greater than Indy's WR2In short, without Ebron stepping up big time, we would have really struggle on O this year.
Not sure how anyone can say we don't need to either get a WR in the first two rounds, a stud FA, or both. Need a legit #2 guy in the worst way.
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CBS just came out with their to 50 FA ranks.
Strong Safety (overall FA rank / name / age)
2 Landon Collins (25)
15 Adrian Amos (25)
30 Ha Ha Clinton-Dix (26)
36 Kareem Jackson (30)
50 Adrian Phillips (26)
Free Safety (overall FA rank / name / age)
8 Tyrann Mathieu (26)
9 Earl Thomas (29)
22 Lamarcus Joyner (28)
While I think SS is our biggest need, I'd love to grab a FA FS as well.
Will be interesting to see what the market $ look like.
IMO, S is the best position to go after in FA. Great value.
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2 hours ago, DerekDiggler said:
Well I expect you to be very disappointed then. Because Ballard agrees with me. At least that is what he said
The majority of talking heads, including X-GMs, have said our two biggest needs are Pass rush (by Edge or Inside DL) and WR. I doubt Ballard ranks WR anywhere below 3 in terms of needs. The fact it's been reported that we're going after one of the top FA WRs pretty much confirms that.
In terms of who on the current roster "could" be a legit #2... Sure Inman could, but he's likely more to be a rotational guy. He was a Undrafted FA that bounced around for a reason. He's got speed, but lacks vert, and other traits. Love the guy, and want to keep him, but I'm not going to go homer on his potential. Cain "could" be too, but already there are injury concerns. Both have consistency issues. So sure, either could emerge, but I'm not going to bank on it. Going into 2019, neither would considered a legit #2.
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Lot's of threads and discussions on Ss across a bunch of topics. FS vs SS needs, FA vs Draft, differing depth chart opinions.
Interested to see where we come out.
After thinking about all the Qs I've listed, it's actually changed my mind a bit on the overall S position and needs.
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28 minutes ago, DerekDiggler said:
Fair enough. TY being hurt and not having Doyle hurt a lot. I believe we will add a wr but I do not think they use one of the tops picks for one. Unless one falls to the second or third that they didn't expect. But I think they get an experienced receiver in FA But it will not be a top tier guy.
My preference would be to get a FA on a short term contract 1 or 2 years (that can help immediately, but not break the bank long term), AND get a WR with one of their 2nd or 3rd picks. The FA will help bridge a couple years while the drafted WR (and guys like Cain and Inman) develops. To me, the FA is a guy like Tate that might take a short term deal given his age, but is still highly productive. That would allow us to sort of go all in now, but still build long term via the draft.
Also, we have to start thinking of post TY years. His speed, IMO, will only last a couple more years.
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1 minute ago, Virtuoso80 said:
From the draft network, this is what i came away with:
26. Christian Wilkins IDL, Clemson
34. Marquise Brown WR, Oklahoma
59. Taylor Rapp S, Washington
89. Michael Deiter OT, Wisconsin
129. Khalen Saunders IDL, Western Illinois
135. Michael Jackson CB, Miami
164. Hunter Renfrow WR, Clemson
199. Devine Ozigbo RB, Nebraska
240. Austin Bryant EDGE, Clemson
like this, although i really hope we get a S in the FA market, instead the draft. much better bang for the buck.
someone is going to get a steal with Renfrow IMO. he's a guy i could see blowing up in NE. Hurd is another WR i think that could be a huge steal at WR in the late rounds.
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8 hours ago, DerekDiggler said:
Luck had the second most passing yards in the league. I dont think we are hurting as bad as many believe.
You have TY, Inman, hopefully Caine, Johnson and then don't forget we have Hines Ebron and Doyle. Luck loves to throw to the TE's I think we may add a WR in FA, but it wont be an AB type of player.
A top pick on a WR would be a wasted pick much like the Dorsett pick was.
Luck was second in passing yards yet we barely made the playoffs. What really hurt this year was that we had no legit #2 at times. And TY getting all the attention from opposing teams killed us at times. If you look at his stats, they were up and down all year.
In short, look at our W/L records over the years. Then compare it when we had two legit WRs. The correlation to Ws and WRs is crystal clear. Clark was a godsend in a tweener year, as was Ebron last year.
Give TY a legit running mate, and things will open up big time for him. And TD production will increase big time.
Not saying you can't win a SB without two legit WRs, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier. You can also win a SB without a bunch of sacks, but again, it just makes things much harder.
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19 hours ago, DerekDiggler said:
Do you really think the Colts are going to take a WR that high in the draft? I dont. You need a # 1 or #2 drafted WR or a big time FA when you have a so so QB or middle of the pact Qb. When you have a stud like AL you can put good players out there and they will do very well.
This draft is going to be about the D. I would go as far as to say I believe we will take an Olinman and a RB before we take WR unless there is one that has dropped and is too good to pass on. Wr is not as big of a need as most of you think. I believe that will be covered in FA as well as an edge rush in FA . Ballard is going to draft BPA which is the smart thing to do. Drafting for need is dumb... just dumb.
If we look back at history (Colts History), even with a HoFer like Manning, we needed both Harrison and Wayne. 2001-2008 (when we had them both) were some of our best years. 2009 was great only because Clark was such a stud when Harrison left. 12-14 were good when we had both Wayne and TY.
And TY was an overachiever coming from the 3rd round. Even though I love TY, he's never approached the TD production of first rounders like Harrison or Wayne.
So, very strong evidence that a team even with a HoF QB needs two stud WRs. TY would have been a #3 WR in the days we had Harrison and Wayne both running well.
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This board is the biggest mess I've ever seen lol. There's a thread for every article, every "breaking" bit of news, etc.. Very little structure. Surprised we don't have new threads for each new crap every roster player or possible roster player takes.