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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:
Since I can only type with one hand when I can I use easier typed words
i short cut too lol. i understood you.
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2 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
You insist having the last say, be my guest. Means more to you than me.
Carry on.
I don't need the last word, just find it interesting that you ignore pretty straight forward data/fact/stats.
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6 minutes ago, CurBeatElite said:
Yes, he only had 3 passes that were officially considered 'drops' in 2017, which was 6th best in the league for WR's who were targeted over 80 times. As @Irish YJ says below, though, he only had 63 catches on 111 balls thrown his way (a 56.8% catch rate). Actually, as I'm digging more into his stats -- he only had 4 'drops' last year, but he only caught 44 balls thrown his way out of 79 (55.7% catch rate). If you turned his 4 'drops' into catches, he'd have a 61% catch rate, which is not great but still quite a bit better than what <56%.
This is actually kind of alarming to me. Granted, I think Luck is a more accurate QB and throws with more touch compared to where he's coming from... but as a guy who is supposed to be a big, possession type WR.. you want him having a wide catch radius and the ability to separate from the DB. Catch rates that low to me suggest one or a combination of all of the following: (1) An inaccurate QB or a QB under pressure who's throwing the ball away but you are considered the target, (2) A 'hands' issue (looking at Funchess' actual stats, though, that doesn't seem to be the major issue, (3) an inability to create separation from the defender, (4) inability to adjust to the ball in the air (as a big WR, you'd want to be able to throw to spots he can get to but the CB can't even if he's tightly covered), or (5) a small catch radius.
I haven't studied him thoroughly, but have watched a lot of highlights. I'll have to pay attention a little more next time I watch him. Hopefully with a speedy WR like TY to help take some pressure from him, issues 3-5 can be helped (if they are the issues causing him to have fairly low catch ratings).
Here are some really strange things to me...
-Newton improved his accuracy a bunch last year (67+%), and Funchess's catch rate and drop rate got even worse
-Funchess throughout his career has let balls bounce off his chest, as he body catches the ball too much. He does make good catches on balls thrown away from his chest. So note to Andrew, don't hit him in the numbers LOL....
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13 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
That is your point of view. I just look at it different.
You say Funchess numbers went down because of Moore.
I think using McCaffrey the way he was used skewed the offensive numbers. When total attention is given to one player when he leads the team on the ground and in the air it effects the numbers.
Like it or not IMO numbers do not tell the whole story.
McCaf's targets were pretty much the same in 2017 and 2018. Nothing really changed with how they used him. Now if McCaf's numbers increased dramatically in 2018, then I'd agree with you, but they did not. The only thing that changed was that they added DJ Moore, who "proved it", and took Funchess's targets as the year went along.
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5 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
I never compared Hines with a conventional back.
I responded to Princeton who declared he didn’t consider Hines a RB. So the ball is in Princeton’s court. The issue is his, not mine.
PT should had said that Hines was not a "prototypical" RB, instead of a "true" RB. We all knew what he meant though.
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7 minutes ago, Myles said:
From what i understand, he had some drop issues last season, but in 2017 he was among the top WR's with the fewest drops.
had less drops in 17, but his catch rate was still awful (ranked 63rd) for being a WR1.
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Just now, NewColtsFan said:
So Sproles has more receiving than rushing yards. And yet he’s a running back. If you walked up to him and asked him what position does he play, what answer do you think he’d give?
The fact he’s an all purpose back doesn’t mean he’s not a running back.
Hines is also a RB. I suspect the positional meeting room he participates in is the RB room and nit the WR.
This is just a game of semantics.
nobody is saying sproles and hines aren't RBs. but they are of the hybrid/APB family, and they should not be compared with an every down back, or a short yardage back. that's the point.
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8 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:
The same way you have Interior OL/DL and Edge players
Tons of "tweener" positions in football. You can even add in OLBs to the Edge DE conversation in certain schemes. And toss in Ss, Rovers, nickel and dime Ds.
Hines in fantastic in his rookie year. I can see his targets and/or touches expanding in 2019 now that he has a year under his belt.
That's another reason why I wanted another WR (WR2) that stretched the D. If we had two stretch WRs, underneath would be crazy open for guys like Hines and Ebron. Funchess will just be another intermediate guy, but I'd bet the majority of his targets will be intermediate on the perimeter.
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7 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Curious.....
Darren Spoles is a running back and people in football thinks of him as a RB. And the Colts think of Hines as a RB.
Ok.... whatever....
Just like there are different types of WRs, there are different types of RBs. You have every down backs, short yardage backs, hybrid or all purpose backs. Sproles was absolutely a hybrid/APB. He had a lot more yards catching the ball than he did rushing. ~4800 receiving vs 3400ish running. So should we think of him more as a WR than a RB?
Hines had 80ish rushing attempts and 80ish WR targets. He had more yards catching than rushing.
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8 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:
I hope his carries are very limited going forward. Last on the list.
He is a gadget guy to me.hybrid guys are great if used properly. Guys like McCaf (Car), White (NE), Kamara (NO), Cohen (CHI), Barkley (NYG) are all highly productive in the passing game.
Hines was our 4th leading receiver last year behind Hilton, Ebron, and Rogers.
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10 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:
With his $$$, i put the early odds on a WR before rd 4 at less than 3%.
Just using common sense.IDK. As other's have harped on, he's on a 1 year deal, with a team that could afford $$ short term. I peg him a situational and depth player, not a true WR2. Not sure Ballard is going to bank on a 1 year guy, or an unproven Cain coming back from injury, to be the long term answer when he knows it takes a year typically to develop a WR. I can still see him going a WR in the first 3 or 4 picks.
Ballard could also go with a guy like Miles Boykin (who might be available in the later rounds) who is very similar body type / function, is faster, and has a much better catch rate. Even Boykin to me isn't the answer as a WR2. We need another guy who can stretch the D. I do think Boykin would be a very solid (and cheaper) situational/depth player than Funchess.
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8 minutes ago, shastamasta said:
Yeah...Inman was Funchess last year. Similar height, size and catch radius. Inman was faster when he was younger...but probably the same speed now as Funchess.
A lot of the "experts" have said the Colts should have resigned Inman over Funchess for a lot less. Like more than half less. I do think Funchess is better than Inman, but not that much better in terms of price tag.
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52 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
You can twist numbers any way you like them to support your opinion.
I don't share you opinion but I am not going to argue about it with you.
I don't need to write a mini novel to say I don't agree.
I'm not twisting numbers. It's simple fact. And I support my opinion with facts.
Numbers are your friends. And no, you don't need to write a novel. What you did however, is support your opinion with a disproved assertion. Nothing changed dramatically with McCaf from 17-18 in terms of target or use. What changed was a new rookie WR inserted who had more production with similar target numbers.
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21 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
The young receivers we have also don’t have the size of funchess. He brings a different type of receiver to our team.
If we are talking size, Inman was 6-3, and Ebron is very similar. Both EE and DF were TEs coming out of HS. Funchess played both TE and WR in college. He played WR at Michigan probably more out of need at WR than anything else. He's a jumbo WR / detached TE tweener kind of guy. Ebron is a detached TE, but plays a little heavier.
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On 3/12/2019 at 1:56 PM, Lucky Colts Fan said:
If you were the Colts GM, what would you do?
If I were Ballard, I'd do two things quickly. 1) I'd start to bottle my farts, because so many folks think everything I do, and everything I'll ever do, we'll smell like roses. 2) I'd also start a cult, or fan club for my peeps that are willing to blindly follow me and pump sunshine over every decision I make.
Just kidding. I love Ballard a bunch. He was a straight up rock star in the draft last year.... I just think some folks are over the top worshiping him.
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Just now, Chloe6124 said:
Exactly. All GM make mistakes. IF this doesn’t work out at least it is a minor one. I just think it’s ridiculous to say he is going to fail before he plays one snap.
Folks are questioning the value/need/fit. They won't be hoping for him to fail come September. It's OK to question things. I'll be screaming loud for him when he scores 6.
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3 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:
I could see him working out of the slot like Matthews/Agholar did in Philly.
Big body, supposedly runs good crossing routes, huge wingspan and is a willing blocker in the run game if he needs to crash down on a DE.....
The Grant/Inman combo accumulated 63-638-4 as the number 2 and (if healthy) Funchess will surpass those numbers this season.
In fact, I'd bet that our number 3 WR will match or surpass those stats next year as well.
I agree on the slot use. Agholar is a bad comp though. NA is 6ft, and both Matthews and NA have very different histories/trends compared to Funchess.
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3 minutes ago, Four2itus said:
But isn't that logic just as relevant in reverse towards Ballard? If we are suppose to go with facts .....considering the numbers by Funchess last year, then shouldn't we also note the "fact", that Ballard was GM of the year?
Not trying to be a hard butt, just noting that if we are going hard facts, then the Ballard facts out weigh the Funchess facts.
Come to think of it, maybe Devin could do a radio NFL show after retirement...Funchess Facts.
We're not debating if Ballard is a good GM. We're debating Funchess fit and contract value. Even GMs of the year make bad calls. Ballard's award doesn't erase Funchess's stats. Funchess having a bad year in 2019 won't by itself make Ballard a bad GM either.
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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
Funchess and his numbers went down because of the heavy use of McCaffrey. Not from lack of talent.
You can't bring up numbers without looking at the whole picture.
In all honesty wouldn't it be better to wait and see before assuming Ballard was wrong?
Devin's numbers went down because they drafted another WR, and gave him an opportunity to beat out Funchess for WR1. And he did by a good margin (200+ yards), and with a higher yard per catch.
McCaffrey got 100+ targets in 2017 too. The difference was DJ Moore in 2018, not CM. The stats are crystal clear.
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8 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
You people are really pessimistic. How about being optimistic and Ballard knows what he is doing. I want all you haters to say you were wrong after next season.
There's a lot of fact and data reasons to be critical. That means folks are being realistic, not necessarily pessimistic. Not everything that comes out of Ballard's backside will smell like roses. And that's OK. He just needs to hit more than he misses, and improve the team when all is said and done. Looking at past performance as an indicator for future performance is logical. Ignoring stats and past performance, and thinking Ballard is perfect, is simply pumping sunshine. Come September, EVERYONE will cheer for DF to succeed. But it's OK to be critical or question things when facts, stats, and pay don't make perfect sense.
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3 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:
It is always worth mentioning that Newton threw more to McCaffrey than any receiver.
McCaffrey had 107 catches, 887 Yds and 7 Tds. Add the carries McCaffrey had and that was 219 carries, 1,098 Yds and 7 Tds.
Last season was the Cam-Christian show and the other players just stood and watched.
DJ Moore (rookie WR) had a pretty darn good year. McCaffrey is as much WR as he is RB. Great weapon.
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7 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
I can already see it. He will have two drops all season and everyone will say he has s problem. Reich said he doesn’t mind drops as long as it doesn’t become s huge problem. He says as long as your making big plays it kind of off sets the few drops.
He had three drops in 2017. The panthers were a mess in 2018. You can’t say one receiver did fine so why didn’t funchess. There are different kind of receivers. I have no idea who this other receiver is. But was he a deep threat or a slot guy. That makes a huge difference with Newton’s injury.
From a passing O perspective, Carolina improved dramatically in 2018 vs 2017 when Funchess was WR1. In 2017 they were near the bottom. Last year they climbed up to the middle of the pact. Newton had his best year ever in completion %, and a big part of that was drafting DJ Moore. Newton was 9th in % at 67.9.
I don't mind drops either if the player is highly productive, and catches the ball when it counts. But...., it's not just 2018. Look at his catch rating his entire career vs WRs across the NFL, and the guys on his team catching balls from the same QB. If you'd like, I can post the comps.
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28 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:
If you think that is all Reich is going to use him your crazy. Unless he comes in and sucks he will be the number 2. He didn’t sign a one year deal to barely play.
You have to take last season out. There are a lot of circumstances that led to that.
No, you don't have to take last season out. He's had drop problems his entire career going back to college. His catch rate has never been great. Now you can say he's had bad QBs passing to him every year, including college, but that still doesn't explain why other WRs on the same team with the same QB, had better catch rates and less drops.
We all just need to hope that Devin, for whatever reason, takes advantage of the "nicer" balls thrown at him by Luck and improves. I'll be cheering for him.
On the number 2 from Day 1 topic, it depends on what we do in the draft. Devin got passed up by the Panther's rookie WR by 200+ yards with similar targets.
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27 minutes ago, BOTT said:
I never said funchess was a great athletes, just a better athlete than a TE who has 20 lbs on him.
Ebron was thought of as great athlete (not freak status, but great) coming into the league, and his advanced stats all say he gets great separation, cushion, and YAC (which are all key attributes of a great athlete). Funchess meanwhile ranks outside of the top 50 in those same stats. The fact Ebron has 25+lbs on Funchess even strengthens that point.
19 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:Considering how early on they went out & grabbed Funchess, I'd say Frank Reich has a very specific plan on how he wants to use him. They gave him a $10mil deal without hesitation on day 1 of the legal tampering period, so that's indicative that they like something specific about what he brings to the table, so I'm intrigued by that signing.
As for Deon Cain, I agree 100%. I feel like they're going to ease him into things very gradually, so I don't have any expectations for him early on.
I have no doubt Ballard/Reich have a plan. I'd bet though that part of that plan is to also take a WR in the draft that they consider the long term option, in the larger plan.
10 minutes ago, Chloe6124 said:Funchess will be the number two unless he totally sucks. Which I doubt that is going to happen. He is going to create a lot of mismatches for defenses and TY won’t be doubled team. I expect him to have a very good year without him even playing yet. Luck is going to have a ton of fun having such a big receiver.
He's not going to do much helping keep double coverage off TY IMO. He's not a stretch the field guy. He's an intermediate guy that does best vs CBs and LBs on the perimeter and across the middle. Between the 20s, FSs will still key on TY. Of course offensive game plans will vary by opponent, but regardless, you won't see him running 20+ yard routes a bunch simply because he doesn't get a lot of separation/cushion. In the RZ, he'll be a big target without a doubt. But we already have Ebron doing that. TY/Ebron/Funchess sets will be fun when we are RZ.
If you've like stats and stuff. Take a look at https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/ . You can actually search on WRs (and others), and see all of their route trees per game and over the course of a year. Here's DF's for 2018 https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/player/devin-funchess/FUN405541/season
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Poll/Debate: Funchess
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Yup. Truth is, DJ Moore easily outperformed DF as the year went along, and others were nipping at DF's heels and getting more open. IIRC, his performance/catch% was so bad in the last 3rd of 2018, they pretty much shelved him the last couple games to let the younger guys get development.