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Thanks, I knew I remembered something, just couldn't remember what. Lol. Edit: not sure I buy the plan is to just carry it all over to next year, but hey? If that was the case, don't put the void years on there

At the end of the day that isn't going to stop us from improving the team. He will just need to get out of his feels.

@richard pallo Letting you know I moved couple post over here from Buckner thread, so we can keep that one about Buck.

No real reason for late round edge, we already have 2 young guys battling there in Leo and Land.

Wasn't even thinking about Aiyuk, very true This move actually covers his salary for this year. All I know is something is going to happen. This move wasn't made, at least to the degree it was made, to stand pat. Hopefully we can do an Aiyuk trade after day 1, trade #46 and 2025 2nd or something, if that's the route we are going. I don't see Crosby at all, but would be ecstatic to be wrong.

Yeah I thought Land looked good as well. Not sure how much room there is at Edge, not too many spots, hopefully we can get Leo to Practice Squad or something.

So what does all this extra cap space this year mean? Diggs or Simmons? Only problem I see with this is Blackmon, how will he take it if we bring in outside Safety making 2-3x what he is making? Xavien Howard, Gilmore, Nelson? Trade for someone? Baker? Trade up in draft would cost more as well... Countdown has begun.

Agreed, but saying that, I actually think Leo looked the part last year in limited action.

I feel like I remember him doing so a couple years back, but nothing to this magnitude. Maybe just like 1 void year for $2-$3m or so? Could be wrong there though.

Sure seems that way to me? For Ballard to add 2 void years saving an additional $7.2m, who will be 33 and 34 at the time(less likely to sign longer deal to get rid of dead cap at that point), seems as if a pretty decent move is upcoming?

Contract looks something like this:(just my thoughts looking at verbiage) 2024 - base $2.25m, SB $3.6m, Restructure Bonus $2.5m = $8.35m total 2025 - base $23m, SB $3.6m = $26.6m total 2026 - base $23m, SB $3.6m = $26.6m total 2027 - SB $3.6m(void years) = $7.2m total(if no new contract) 2028 - SB $3.6m(void years)

https://overthecap.com/player/deforest-buckner/4720 Contract Notes DeForest Buckner signed a two year, $46 million contract with the Colts on April 15, 2024. Bucker received $53.25 million in guarantees on the total contract value of which $43.25 million is fully guaranteed. The new money guarantee is $33 million with $23 million guaranteed at signing. Buckner received an $18 million signing bonus and his 2024 and 2025 salaries are fully guaranteed. There are two void years for salary cap purposes. The extension reduced Buckner's 2024 salary cap number by $14.4 million. 2024 original cap hit: $22.75m new extension cap hits: 2024 - $8.35m 2025 - $26.6m 2026 - $26.6m 2027 - $7.2m(void year) 2028 - $3.6m(void year) This is way outside the box for Ballard. Something probably in the works. $14.4m cap savings this year. New cap space per OtC(Spotrac not updated yet) $28,412,296 Spotrac - $28,194,348 (estimated with $14.4m savings)

Wowsers: https://overthecap.com/player/deforest-buckner/4720 Contract Notes DeForest Buckner signed a two year, $46 million contract with the Colts on April 15, 2024. Bucker received $53.25 million in guarantees on the total contract value of which $43.25 million is fully guaranteed. The new money guarantee is $33 million with $23 million guaranteed at signing. Buckner received an $18 million signing bonus and his 2024 and 2025 salaries are fully guaranteed. There are two void years for salary cap purposes. The extension reduced Buckner's 2024 salary cap number by $14.4 million. 2024 original cap hit: $22.75m new extension cap hits: 2024 - $8.35m 2025 - $26.6m 2026 - $26.6m 2027 - $7.2m(void year)(dead cap) 2028 - $3.6m(void year)(dead cap) This is way outside the box for Ballard. Something probably in the works. New cap space per OtC(Spotrac not updated yet) $28,412,296 Spotrac estimate - $28,194,348

Steichen said he(Steichen)was a defensive assistant early in his career and it gave him more insight as an offensive coach. Something to that affect. Defensive assistant 2011-2012 at San Diego Chargers.

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I've actually saw a couple articles talking about Aiyuk potentially being moved post draft for 2025 pick(s). Best of both worlds? Keep #15, trade 2025 pick? Would be quick way for massive upgrades. Saying that, I don't think it will happen, but you never know. We definitely have a history with SF. Maybe 2025 pick and Pierce so they get immediate help at WR since they don't get a 2024 pick?

It wasn't anyone's fault, just kind of morphed that way. I was complicit myself. Wasn't a big deal really, just figured it would be the best way to get back to Buckner talk if posters wanted, and to continue the TE talk of posters wanted. Although after I moved it here, I thought maybe the Ogletree thread might of been better, but it's here now, so will keep it here. EDIT: didn't realize I was in the Buckner thread, so TE talk will stay in the offseason thread, not here.

TE talk moved to off-season discussion thread Back to Buckner

Yeah, I don't have anything against Mo either, I actually like him, just a numbers game like most other things.(Roster spots + $$) Agree on Granson as well, although he did grade out as our worst TE last year despite the production. I think I'm going to move most of this last Mo talk over to a different thread though, just to get the thread back to Buckner. Edit: NVM, that would take the thread back like 6 hours or so. As long as no one has an issue we'll keep it here.

It's official, Caitlin Clark is an Indiana Fever.

Yeah, I've been pretty firm on them moving on from Mo, and I still think they will, but as you said. Getting close to time to worry about a potential injury and being on the hook. I legit can't wrap my head around why he is still on the team(I'm with you on what he actually brings to the team, not much), but there wasn't too much of a hurry, but it's starting to trend that way. Maybe we can find a taker during the draft(late pick swap)? Or maybe Mo will take a pay cut to stay afterwards. Numbers game and we aren't keeping 5, so something will have to give. This isn't even taking the possible consideration of Bowers. Of course some injuries could pop up, but I don't think I would let Mo get to training camp. Not as worried about our other off-season programs, but would be concerned come camp. Mo almost makes more than the other 4 combined:($5.9m) Granson - $3.3m(big salary escalator this year) Woods - $1.5m Ogletree - $960k Mallory - $990k $6.7m total Can't see Mallory going anyway, as Coach was in on that draft pick. Can't see Woods going anywhere Videos show he is healthy and looking like a beast As we know there is questions on Ogletree, but I expect him to be back as well. Down to Granson (contract year) and Mo(contract year). I guess either way, we save a good chunk of money, $3.1-$5.9m.

My projection for the Buckner extension cap hit: Current Cap Hit $22.75m Extension:(2yrs $46m) 2024 - $17.75m(saves $5m this season) 2025 - $25.5m 2026 - $25.5m New cap space afterwards: Spotrac - $17.1m OtC - $16.5m ***Not official, just my projections

Wanted to double back on this. Was little sporadic earlier. I understand what you are saying now. Yes, while saving money isn't the sole intent of the extension, it is a bonus with locking up our guy for longer. I will say though, I do think they looked at it as a way to move a little bit of funds around though, because we don't have too many legit options outside of Buckner. His doesn't hurt us in the future as much. Nelson restructure would create huge cap hits for last couple years of deal. Kelly has injury concerns and is risky to put future years on. Smith is kind the same boat, coming off of surgery, would be risky to add future cap right now on him.