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17 minutes ago, Superman said:
I looked this up the other day and meant to post about it, but forgot. Pittman's agent has some heavy hitters on his roster. One of the biggest -- Deshaun Watson. He has several other guys who were or are the highest paid at their positions -- Derwin James, Jalen Ramsey, Michael Thomas, etc. Tee Higgins is one of his clients, so are Justin Fields, Xavier McKinney, and Micah Parsons.. So he'll be busy this offseason.
The Colts have worked with him before. Eric Ebron, Malik Hooker. When Ballard says he's a good agent, I see why.
I don't think any of that means anything about Pittman, but this agent has dealt with high profile departures, and doesn't seem like the type of guy to leave anything on the table if he doesn't have to.
This is great context. Was not aware that MPJ and Higgins had the same agent. Makes sense that both WRs made it through their rookie deals to ultimately get the tag.
But IND's situation is far less murky than CIN, who have Burrow's mega contract and an impending massive deal with Chase to work around, so Higgins making it to the tag makes more sense.
MPJ doing so is an outlier, both in how the position has trended and how the Colts have handled every other prominent upcoming UFA. So something is keeping MPJ from signing and I am not sure it is something that can be resolved in a matter of days, but we will see.
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18 hours ago, chad72 said:
You mean, more than 1 way to win a SB. Yep, I agree with that.
The common theme is stellar and smart QB play. Shootouts like the 2017 SB of the Eagles vs Patriots are rare where both teams score in their 30s, in regulation.
I mean...it happened in the 2023 SB as well with KC and PHI. Go back one year, and it was 34-28. Would have both been in the 30s if ATL didn't choke the 2H.
So almost 3x in 7 years doesn't seem that rare.
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Well if anything can get them to offer daycare, this would be it.
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15 hours ago, Superman said:
Colts
Food / Cafeteria
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22ND
They rank 20th overall in food taste
They rank 24th overall in food freshness
LOL
Wait til later this summer...the locker room will have all the freshest, most delicious corn these guys could ever want.
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30 minutes ago, indyagent17 said:
This report is very damming. When players rate their owner a middle grade. that says a lot about what they think about Irsay. Secondly, way too many categories are below average. It makes you wonder what the environment is like in the players head when it comes to ignoring needs. Ballard needs to clean the stuff up.
It's not that surprising if there actually is a large gap between how most Colts fans perceive Jim Irsay...vs. just about everybody else, including Colts players.
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11 hours ago, Zoltan said:
The reason I think it's later is because he mentioned the depth when they picked Pittman in the 2nd and he's obviously happy with how that worked out, so may go with the same mentality of getting a WR in the 2nd.
MPJ was technically a R2 pick, but he was pick #34, which which is more like a R1 pick. The WRs picked behind MPJ haven't worked out. So I think if Ballard is comparing this WR class to 2020, he's likely eyeing one at #15 or after a slight trade down.
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10 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:
While I would love Queen he’s the exact type of player Ballard talked about today that he doesn’t like to go after because you end up way over paying.
Agree. I think Ballard knows his defensive system is that one that is LB friendly to where they can plug and play guys at LB and not have to spend big in the draft or cap space. Shaq was a special case when he got paid cause he was a star, but I don't see them allocating heavily to the position. More likely to draft one late Day 3 and another Day 4 to develop and replace the current duo.
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12 hours ago, Restinpeacesweetchloe said:
Kind of got the sense the Pittman deal was almost done with Ballard being so open about it. This only confirms it.
That's not really confirmation on anything we didn't know. That's just Destin's "source" saying they are confident in getting a deal done without having to use the tag. What else would they say?
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1987: I do not recall this.
1995: Bailey caught it...he didn't.
2006: Finally beat NE in playoffs.
2009: Should have won SB.
2012: Most fun I have had.
2014: Stupid NE dynasty part two.
2020: Breath of fresh air.
2023: Steichen could be the guy.
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39 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
You don’t think Moore is replaceable? You aren’t concerned about him dropping off in a year or two?
I’m not against re-signing him. I just wonder if it wouldn’t be better to find more versatile players in the secondary that we can stack on the roster. Finding a safety or two that can cover in that spot gives us more versatility.
Moore played slot CB closer to the LOS than he ever has. From 2000-2022, his aDOT was ~8 yds. This past year, it was ~4.
That obviously helped him tremendously, In that CAR game, he got two pick 6s just hanging around the LOS. But outside of that game, he also allowed a 113 passer rating, per PFR, which is not too far off what it was in 2022 (117).
Plus, Moore is going to be 29. He could easily lose a step and be the liability he was toward the end of 2021 and throughout 2022.
It just seems like there should be plenty of DBs out there with the skillset to handle that type of role, who will cost much less. And likely several of those DBs would be more versatile with less risk for slowing down.
He's only one year removed from being a cut candidate. So giving him a big extension based off this season seems like a bad bet. He does provide vet leadership, which is important, but that should only factor in why they would want to bring him back, not how much they would be willing to pay.
It also comes down to this. Let's say they can a get good CB1 in FA. Wouldn't you rather have that player and find another player to take Moore's role (either in the draft or via cheaper vet CBs), than give Moore a big contract AND have to fill that boundary CB1 spot via the draft? Seems like an easy choice.
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17 minutes ago, richard pallo said:
What worries me a little is we haven’t signed any other of our FA. We don’t know if we are having problems signing the other guys. We could be. The quicker we sign Pittman then we have a tag at our disposal for another player if we need it. We tagged McAfee once so anything is possible. Imo we need to sign our other FA asap. I would hate to see none of them signed before FA and we are forced to tag Pittman and then compete for our other FA. Time is of the essence.
Well MPJ is the big fish. So my guess would be they will wait to see how that goes before dealing with other FAs. It's not like any of them are getting the tag. With this cap increase, I don't think they want to guess on what the market will look like for those players.
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26 minutes ago, Solid84 said:
I just think it's Pittman trying to maximize profit. Not saying your point definitely isn't the case, I just get the feeling with how established he is in Indy he wants to stay here.
Do most players live in their team's city in the offseason? I honestly don't know. But perhaps he just likes it in Indy during the offseason vs. being somewhere like SoCal.
He made public comments about valuing career potential over comfort, so being established or comfortable in Indy (he just bought a farm) might not be enough anyways, or might not be his priority. That's why it seems like more than just posturing IMO. But it's all just speculation. I just figured he would be locked up by now.
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12 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
That’s an interesting thought that I hadn’t considered. Watch them go answer questions and then immediately announce the tag. 😂I could see it. Could also see them waiting til after to announce his extension too. Given how they were peppered about questions about JT during that process, I think Ballard and Steichen prefer to not have to answer a bunch of the same questions about MPJ at a draft event.
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2 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
I don’t think he wants to play somewhere else. I think he wants to play the game his buddy Jonathan Taylor played to ensure he gets paid what he feels he deserves. He’s sitting in a pretty good spot…I just don’t see him going anywhere.
I’d say he’s probably tired of playing with a new qb every year though, so a lot of his satisfaction looking forward (as far as playing goes) will depend on Richardson’s health and performance.
He no doubt is tired of a different QB every year. The situation has certainly improved from knowing who the QB should be, but AR is no guarantee. So if QB stability is something MPJ values, he might see several situations as more stable and better bets. Plus, he's only going to turn 27, so he might be eyeing another shot at a big deal in 3 years with how the cap is trending. And QB stability would be important in that regard.
Him re-signing with IND is the most likely outcome though. But if you had told me last year that we would be a week or so from the tag deadline and MPJ was still unsigned, I wouldn't have believed it. That's just not the trend with WRs...and not the trend with Colts players. And now he's publicly talking about exploring FA and not sacrificing career potential for comfort.
It just seems like there has to be some hesitation somewhere, whether that's the org. or MPJ's camp. But money typically clears that up.
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16 hours ago, Solid84 said:
Pittman said he wanted to test the market, so my guess is we’re tagging him. Is there a particular reason why tagging him now rather than waiting until the deadline is beneficial?
Good question. I wouldn't think so, but CIN tagged Higgins pretty immediately.
My guess is part of it could be optics. Ballard and Steichen are both speaking at the Combine, so tagging MPJ now will just create a lot of questions when they are there to talk about the draft. If they haven't tagged him, they can more easily skirt around those questions.
I guess the upside would be additional time to explore trades? The start of FA is a few weeks away, so tagging him now could give you more time to get a trade done before the FA spending frenzy starts. But maybe you can explore trades without the tag applied? I don't really know the rules there. It would seem that that you should be able to, but there could be a rule against, since technically that player is going to be an UFA.
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20 hours ago, BProland85 said:
First of all I hope Indy at least tags Pittman soon and doesn’t just allow him to be a FA. That would be a big mistake. If he is franchised soon, do you think a tag and trade could be possible if Ballard doesn’t want to shell out 25 mil or so per season for him?
And what do you feel the Colts could get back in return for a tag and trade of MPJ? If they could get back a 1st or two 2nds from a bad team I’d consider it with the WR draft class this year.
I think if they franchise tag him, it's could be a bad sign if anything. That could mean that time to negotiate isn't the issue, as much as whether he wants to play here or somewhere else. And tagging him would ensure they can at least recoup some value via trade.
As for that value, I don't think you could get a R1 pick, but maybe a R2 pick and a R3 pick?
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On 2/13/2024 at 1:39 PM, NewColtsFan said:
As you may know, I’m not on Twitter…. So I’m not following your argument. Shouldn’t Colts Twitter serve as an extension to Colts PR? Aren’t they doing exactly what they should be doing?
Trolling other fan bases? Can you offer up an example?
Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand your viewpoint….
Well, the trolling part isn't part of the Colts PR. I think they just do that because that's what fanbases do to each on that app.
But regarding Colts PR, Colts Twitter do not critique the team. Instead, they hype up every player and play...similar to what the Colts Twitter account does as well. It's an echo chamber...or another term that is probably not allowed here. Some of them have "sources" which clearly just use them to control narratives and drive hype.
This is not unlike the local media. But they are a bit more subtle about it. Their access is their livelihood.
This is just my cynical take on it. I interact with Colts Twitter quite often.
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12 hours ago, Tsarquise said:
Funny enough, the Chargers three losses that year came from the Chiefs, Ravens and Patriots. Colts path to the Superbowl.
By 3 pts each too. I was stoked that NE beat SD. For some reason SD had Manning's number in that back half of 2000s.
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22 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Not trying to be a Homer by defending the Colts Title run in 2006 but for anyone to say that was an easy path to a SB is mindboggling. You do realize the Ravens were 4 point favorites to beat us and to go into Baltimore and win that was a great accomplishment. McNair was still a good QB as well + they had Ray Lewis and Ed Reed in their primes to deal with. McNair wasn't like the previous average QB's they had prior to him. Peyton also had a perfect Passer Rating in the 2nd Half vs the Patriots, was clutch with a game winning drive, and he went through Tom Brady to win the AFC. People can talk about Rex Grossman being a chump all they want but the AFC was loaded that season.
People that just look at 7 INT's and 3 TD's during that run are so narrowminded. AFC Title Game and SB he was 3 TD's and only 1 INT. He had several INT's because he struggled a bit against KC who by the way had arguably the best secondary in the league led by TY Law.
Manning had 2 TDs and 2 INTs in the AFCCG and SB...and one rush TD. You can't talk about being narrow-minded and then just narrow your focus on those two games.
The Colts dodged the best team in the AFC (SD), was knocked out by a NE team in a fluky manner. So the AFC path for them wasn't that loaded.
Manning did not play well overall, outside of the 2H of that NE game. He was awful in the first two games. They were able to overcome it because the defense stepped up. Mahomes has not and will not have that luxury.
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21 hours ago, chad72 said:
Ravens, Bears and Patriots were the Top 3 Ds in the ENTIRE league in 2006. Let us not shortchange Peyton's only SB as a Colt.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2006/opp.htm
I agree with Mahomes' SB argument but it was not an easy path, the Colts path to our only SB under Peyton.
Not short-changing the team. But that run wasn’t the result of Manning beating really good defenses (outside of 2H of AFCCG). He had 3 TDs and 7 INTs in 4 games with a 71 passer rating. In the first two games, he had 1 TD and 5 INTs. If any QB today did that, their team is not 2-0 after two games.The Colts defense stepped up and shut down teams and the run game was very effective. And a large reason the defense was able to do that is because they got back Bob, but also because of their offensive opponents.
Winning the SB is never “easy,” so I take back the use of that word. But the path was advantageous that year. Even NE wasn’t even that strong. Colts had beat them earlier in the year. And they somehow managed to knock off a 14-win SD team, who was the best team in the NFL and a team Manning was 1-5 against (including two playoff games) from 2005-2010.
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21 hours ago, Tsarquise said:
Dvoa says otherwise:
It was an easy path of QBs and team offenses…that’s why I listed QBs.I am sure teams like BAL and CHI had their overall team DVOA heavily skewed due to their defense that year, so the strength of the overall team DVOA in that run doesn’t surprise me.
The Colts defense actually carried the Colts through most of that run. Manning did not have a good playoffs.
But that stat just reinforces what I said about Mahomes. We are beyond comparing him to Peyton.
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1 hour ago, bluebombers87 said:
Prior to this Super Bowl I’d say it was easily Manning over Mahomes. After this past Sunday, I’d say we now can have a more nuanced discussion.
Mahomes has never had to battle any real adversity. This was the first year he didn’t have all pro WRs and it showed in the regular season. Post season, he was a slight return to form in the first two games but played pedestrian (as compared to his previous excursions). The defense really shone this year in the post season and had an outsized effect on their success.
Mahomes has a great coach in Andy Reid and up until this past season has had plenty of offensive help.
I think we need to let more play out to determine how great he is. He has a lot going for him with his situation in KC. Let’s revisit this when he has a new HC and the burdens of paying for legit players continues. The question should be is he a Terry Bradshaw or a Joe Montana?
When the Colts won the SB, Manning had to beat Trent Green, a 33 year-old Steve McNair and a Rex Grossman. Other than the AFFCG against Brady, it was a very easy path.
This year, with what was suppose to be the weakest KC team yet, Mahomes had to beat Tua, Allen, Lamar and Purdy. All top 7 QBs this year in EPA.
Yes, the defense helped him, but I just don't know what else he can do. By metrics and possibly record, he's on pace to be the best regular season and playoff QB that ever played.
I love Peyton, but the only real argument left for Mahomes is will he surpass Brady as the greatest QB.
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1 hour ago, chad72 said:
You don't get sane users on Reddit, far too hit and miss. Go to the proper ArrowHeadPride forums or the SB Nation forums of a team, you generally find more moderation and more civil arguments like here.
Reddit functions as some type of hybrid social media app/discussion forum. A large issue with sports social media in general these days is how disrespectful people are from the comforts of their own anonymity.
It's a bit jarring at first when you encounter this. And it really makes for a difficult debate. Plus, there tends to be a lot of groupthink that spawns out of sports discussion on these apps.
I think it might be a generational thing. Some sports social media sites are overrun with active Gen Z members. The Colts sub reddit and Twitter are probably good examples. I think I saw a chart recently of fanbases with growth of younger fans...and Colts were top 5. So if that is true, those younger fans have to go somewhere to actively talk about the Colts.
Not to sound like the "get off my lawn" type...I am not even that far from the age group. But I get the sense that Gen Z has played a big role in this.
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10 hours ago, JediXMan said:
Colts fans has been going crazy with this take on social media. How about progressing and playing healthy most of the season respectfully.Colts Twitter is like this. It's delusional and embarrassing. It really just serves as an extension of Colts PR.
But the irony is that a lot of it is just trolling other fanbases...since we haven't had much to celebrate for the past several years.
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Update: Colts signing Michael Pittman Jr to three year contract
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I think KC/TB was probably going to be closer to a shootout until KC's bookend Ts both went down the week before and they couldn't protect Mahomes at all.
But I think it's long been have a great offense and QB play first. Then you layer in an above average defense that can make some plays. I think you can also win with a great QB, above average offense and great defense. But if you have a great QB already, the goal should be a great offense.