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3 minutes ago, Majin Vegeta said:
Wrong. After Tyreek Hills 1st 100 yard game we didn't hear about his past again.
Everyone needs to get over it and move on, was three years ago.
You and Philly are probably right but personally as a father of a little girl I will not "get over it" that easily. That is a line in my personal code of conduct that I do not condone in almost any situation and I do not accept people that have done it. I would have a real hard time forgiving anyone for doing something like that but again just my opinion.
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43 minutes ago, PhillyCOLTSfan said:
I also said hopefully he learned his lessons if dude runs for 1300 yards his rookie season not one person will say anything about his off field things he did years ago
nonsense, this isn't a speeding ticket or getting caught with pot. He assaulted another human being who happens to be a female. That is a stipulation and social norm that existed since his birth. I would ask you if he had punched your mom, sister, wife, daughter, would you still have the same outlook on "all is forgiven"?
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12 minutes ago, PhillyCOLTSfan said:
Well it not like we are starting a church quior, I could care less about what he does off the field tht his personal business as long as he produces on field and learned his lesson and stays out of trouble
Big difference between church choir and just not wanting men that punch women in the face on your team. Class and respect have to come in at some point, don't they?
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Deep Draft = sound strategy to gain more picks
However, the rest of the NFL are aware of the deep draft as well and unless you can find a team that is in love with a player at your spot then finding a dance partner will be harder this year, IMHO.
I would be find staying put or trading back, but do not really want to see a trade up unless to number one to get Garrett but the cost would be prohibitive.
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2 hours ago, BOTT said:
They shouldn't have passed, but that doesn't excuse Ryan taking a sack. He is a 9 yr vet and league MVP.....he knows better.
Agreed but I would not have put him in that situation given the risk involved.
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On 2/7/2017 at 8:51 AM, BOTT said:
Blame Matt Ryan. The one thing he couldn't do in that situation was take a sack. He took a sack.
Why pass at all? Coaches jobs are to put the players in situations to succeed which they chose the riskier option and it contributed to them losing that game. They tried to get cute and it bit them. You do not pass the ball late in the fourth quarter in field goal range with a one score lead. You play it conservative and take the points and WIN.
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21 minutes ago, coltsfeva said:
Very well said. Sorry if it misunderstood your point. Living near Philadelphia, I know fans echoed the same sentiments towards Andy Reid as we see posted here towards Chuck. They were dissatisfied with his mantra of; "I've got to do a better job." Maybe Irsay believes in Pagano but realizes he was held back by some injuries and poor.choices on Grigson part. For instance, I'm not so sure Detroit would have won that game, had the starting secondary been intact.
I do not think so either. The Colts had their 4 and 5 string CBs in at the time if memory serves correctly. I think they definitely would have won that game if the starting CBs or even the back-up CBs were available. Then you are 9-7 and who knows where they would have ended up but the London J-ville game and the two Houston games were hard to take losses as well.
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7 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher said:
What if a CB is rated higher than a Pass Rusher in rd.1 ?
What if a ILB is rated higher than a CB in the 2nd round ?
You either trade down to acquire more picks are you draft BPA.
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1 hour ago, coltsfeva said:
2013 playoffs - Final Score Colts 45 Chiefs 44. So there's that. My point was that so many that want Chuck gone, will point to mistakes (that every coach, including Reid, Belichick, Pete Caroll, etc etc etc make) to definitively state Chuck is a bad coach. Truth is, this game is so complex and there are so many contributors to a bad game and season, that to lay it all on Chuck is short-sighted. I'm not saying he should be in Canton but he is certainly not as bad as some would assert. Let's see what happens this year....
I will agree that he is not as bad as some suggest but the coaches you mentioned have earned a lot more leeway that Chuck has currently. I am looking forward to this though and hoping that he cam lead the team to the playoffs and beyond. I also think that the criticism is somewhat overstated given his record. The guy has yet to have a losing season for crying out loud. I was trying to put myself in the shoes of Irsay and/or Ballard in that if you are not completely sold on Chuck being your long term solution then make the change now instead of waiting a year.
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First impression, seems like a humble guy that is not afraid to work. Has strong beliefs in how to build a team and seems to value everyone working together. Very excited to see what he can accomplish.
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9 minutes ago, coltsfeva said:
Andy Reid was run out of Philly because of his poor clock management which has apparently followed him to KC. The criticism of Chuck on this board is so over exaggerated it's embarrassing.
Wait a minute, are you stating that you think Pagano is a better coach than Andy Reid? What mental gymnastics have you done in your head that will allow you to think that? I really did not criticize Chuck but nice straw man. Pagano looks to be the coach next year regardless but don't try to tell me that at this point in his career you would rather have Pagano than Andy Reid. Over 18 years as a head coach in this league, Reid has a .602 winning percentage and a SB appearance. His playoffs have been underwhelming but mainly due to his time with KC (with Alex Smith as his QB). Chuck does currently possess a better winning percentage but with a lot less games coached. I am not sure where his winning percentage would be if you took away the games that Arians stepped in and coached during his unfortunate absence. So spare me your outrage, I posted about a coaching candidate being from a solid coaching foundation and my belief that waiting a year is more of a risk than just switching now not to criticize Chuck.
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Just now, jvan1973 said:
There is no way to know how he would perform as a head coach
Correct, but are you anymore confident in the direction Pagano has the team going? They are a .500 team currently, do you have enough faith in Pagano to elevate them to playoff status? Yes, he actually has a track record to view so maybe that tilts the scales in his favor but if you believe this downward trend continues then does it make sense to waste another year? That is a tough decision for Irsay and it looks like he has made it with keeping Pagano on board. I like Taub as a prospect but he is unproven but he does come from the Andy Reid tree which is quite impressive actually. John Harbaugh, Brad Childress, Sean McDermott, Leslie Frazier, Ron Rivera, Doug Peterson, Jon Gruden, Pat Shurmur have all worked under Andy Reid and have all had varying degrees of success as head coaches in the NFL. I would take the leap this year and start fresh but I do not have any idea if that would be an upgrade or not.
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6 hours ago, Superman said:
By good, I mean lines that can consistently protect the QB. You named 6 of 32 teams. I agree, most teams don't have a good OL, specifically in pass pro. And I think part of that has to do with the limited practice time, the fact that players get rushed into service before their ready due to shorter contracts, and the multiple looks teams get from defensive fronts...
To me, any offense that necessarily requires really good pass pro in an environment where it's hard to achieve or sustain really good pass pro is dated.
See I view dated as ineffective. The Coryell offense is not dated as many in the NFL still use it and use it effectively. I do agree that screens, middle of the field routes, and the running game could and should be used more effectively. All of that can still be accomplished using the current offense. The scheme isn't the problem it is the philosophy behind it.
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28 minutes ago, Buddy Lee said:
if Toub were all that great he certainly wouldn't have spent a year as special teams coordinator. What was he responsible for... a kicker, a punter and a long snapper? Next job running a team's offense and defense and all else. Ridiculous.
Add in coverage and return units, he has also been a historic special teams coach due to his work with the Bears during the Lovie years. I think his return units set records. He has been on the cusp of being a HC for several years.
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6 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Sorry, Supe....
I know you're not calling Chud stupid. I was addressing a broader audience, including some who think of Chud as just another guy.
Back in '12 you and I made the argument here that we liked Arians the head coach far more than we liked Arians the offensive coordinator. And we used the same argument. Why have an offense that requires a lot of deep drops and long passes if you don't have a line to protect the QB? Fair point.
So, maybe it is a Pagano thing? I hope to see somewhat different in 2017. I'd like to see more of the Hasselback offense in 2017. Get the ball out faster. Spread it around. Take pressure off the o-line. I'd love to see more of that.
I just know I was happier with this offense than any other offense I've seen since back to 2012.
I also believe that had we won a few more games, and we came close to winning 10 or 11, that this conversation that we're having would not be as popular or intense. We would've moved on.....
I hope we can get to that point soon.....
The overall lack of a consistent running game hurts as well but that could also be attributable to the OL. I really believe that the OL will take a huge step forward this year.
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24 minutes ago, Superman said:
How many teams actually have a good offensive line right now?
Define good (I am not trying to be obtuse either) What measure are you using? I actually think that the line that we currently have will become a very solid one. I would consider GB, Dal, NO, Carolina, Oakland, and ATL to all have very good offensive lines.
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24 minutes ago, Superman said:
I'm absolutely not calling Chud stupid. He's forgotten more about running an offense than I'll ever know (cliched, but probably true). I'm also not calling Bruce Arians stupid, or Mike Martz, or Norv Turner, or Marty Schottenheimer, or Al Saunders, etc. They are all very well respected, and accomplished.
What I am saying is I find their offensive philosophy to be dated, and I find it to be overly reliant on great protection (which is part of the reason it's dated; it's hard to build a good OL anymore). We don't even have good protection.
I do think Pagano prefers this offense, since he hired Arians, and Chud, and Brian Schottenheimer, all Coryell guys. The one guy that he might not have been leading the charge on is Pep, and he's the guy that was the least suitable, objectively. So I'm not laying this all at Chud's feet. Chuck wants his offense, that's why he hired him. Realistically, I want a coordinator to run the offense he believes in, which is why I wouldn't hire a Coryell guy. But it's not up to me.
We'll see if he does a better job getting the offense going next year, establishing a rhythm, using the middle of the field, etc. But even if we have a great OL, philosophically, I'm not a great fan of the offense.
I do not think it is outdated at all. There are still many teams around the league that use the offense or variations off the offense. The Coryell offense relies on timing and shifts/formations to create match up problems. Joe Gibbs instituted the H-Back in the offense and established a heavy running game with and the same with Marty Schottenheimer; Cam Cameron and the Ravens did as well; Chudz did as well while in Carolina and Cleveland. Then you have guys like Martz, Arians, and McCarthy that prefer to throw the ball around. The offense is very versatile in that it should allow you to adjust to your personnel. I would much prefer the Colts work on being more balanced like the Norv Turner Cowboys as I feel that is what they have the personnel for currently.
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14 hours ago, Finball said:
While I agree with tou that dismissing a candidate just due to one being a ST coordinator is short sighted but John Harbaugh isn't a great X&Os type of coach. He's an excellent leader though, but needs good tacticians/gameplanners as his coordinators. Ravens fans don't complain a lot about him (fwiw, I'd put their recent lack of success on the decline of their roster more than on Harbaugh) but that seems to be major gripe.
I'm a Cardinal fan and I liken John to Mike Matheny. He is great with instilling culture and providing leadership which to me is more difficult to find that "leader of men" than an X's and O's guy but that is just my opinion. However, if you can find a guy that can do both (Carroll, Belicheck, Saban, etc.) they are worth every penny that they command.
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1 minute ago, life long said:
Its debatable for some, but to me Bill obrien has thoroughly outcoached pagano at least.
You are correct O'Brien is a good coach but I am not for sure how good.
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2 minutes ago, Superman said:
Brady helps. He and Belichick have been together forever, and they're two of the brightest people in the league. McDaniels being back helps. He grew up in the New England culture, and they all seem to speak the same language.
Their offense has changed a lot over the years, but really, once Charlie Weis left and Brady came into his own as a veteran QB, the offense has become an extension of Brady, and Belichick's influence is obvious.
They do this on defense and special teams, also. Their gameplans vary widely from week to week, as opposed to the typical NFL approach of 'this is what we do, let's get good at it, and we'll live and die by it.' More and more staffs are embracing a more adaptable approach, but New England is just another animal. That's why Brady throws the ball 50 times for 367 yards and they only have 14 rushing yards against Baltimore, then the next week they run for 177 yards against the Colts.
It seems like common sense, but it's a lot easier said than done. Having the same coach and QB for the last 16 years helps.
Very true, I remember when McDaniels was the offensive coordinator for the Rams and it was a mitigated disaster. Brady and Belicheck are special and have tenure. That offense has morphed several times through the years and continues to evolve on a weekly basis.
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2 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
Sure but my point is Luck with Kyle Shanahan or Josh McDaniels is more then likely MVP of the league
I understand where you are coming from but Offensive minded head coach does not necessarily equal a good offense either though. I am skeptical of McDaniels given the track record of NE assistants though.
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4 minutes ago, Colt Overseas said:
Chud needs to review his playcalling and look at the Minnesota as the template going forward. Get a strong running game early and play the two tight end set for short yard pick ups to establish a rhythm. Then the opportunities for long yardage opportunities will present themselves, and we know we have the receivers to capitalize. We destroyed a very talented Vikings defense that day, there's great potential in this offense.
I held Chud hugely responsible for the critical loss to the Texans in LOS last year, where he refused to run the football, despite Luck struggling to make pass completions. If he could just follow what he did in Minnesota last December, that would be great.
I agree with this. The times that we see the Coryell offense working the best is with a strong running game. SD with LT and Dallas with Emmitt are probably the best examples of how this offense can run when employed the way you suggested.
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6 minutes ago, Colts_Fan12 said:
I just would rather have a offensive minded HC
I want the best coach for the job. I do not care where he comes from. Having a defensive minded coach or special teams coach does not preclude you from having a great offense, though. Look at NE, Atl, Indy (top ten), Pitt, and a few others.
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1 hour ago, Superman said:
I'm not comfortable with the play calling at all.
Philosophically, this passing offense attacks vertically, up the seams. By nature, it has boom or bust potential. That's made worse when you have a leaky offensive line and a QB who doesn't like to give up on plays. And the coordinator seems to struggle getting into a rhythm with play calling, especially early in the game. So efficiency is sorely lacking.
We don't work the short middle of the field often enough. We have no run-pass options or smoke routes, ever. We don't run slants against off coverage. Not only don't we run screens with any frequency, when we do run them we do it poorly (chicken vs egg, I'm not sure). These concepts are not diametrically opposed to the vertical Coryell concepts. There's no reason they can't be mixed in, and ironically, if they were, the vertical concepts would be even more dangerous.
Yeah, I'm mostly uncomfortable with the play calling.
Mike Martz while in StL ran a version of the Coryell offense. They threw plenty of screens sometimes even to the TEs. He mainly used TEs or Slot receivers to work the middle but I remember that was a complaint that I had with his offenses during the time that I followed the Rams.
Norv Turner runs a version of the Coryell offense as well. He utilized Novaceck in Dallas and Gates in SD better than Martz did any of his TEs. Norv also utilized the run game better.
Chud in Cleveland used the TE relentlessly. That was the one year the Winslow Jr actually had a good year. Then in Carolina, he employed a heavy effective running game.
I am not sure if it was personnel or philosophy or what but it does seem like his offense is different from his previous stops. But to summarize, the Coryell concepts allow for everything that you have mentioned but are currently not being employed.
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You are assuming he has matured. The only thing that we know is that another incident has not occurred, right?