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52 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
I agree with a possible trade up. I just don't think u move up from 15 to number 5 to get a wr. Teams moving up that far is always for a qb. Also, it is a rich wr draft. U r going to have to give up a haul to get him. I would rather a scenario fo maybe sliding back a little and getting Worthy if they are intent on getting that explosive wr with their 1st pick. Also, I would like to know what u think the Colts would have to move up that far? I got my own idea but wondering what u think.
We need a WR1, not just another receiver no matter how deep it is. If the Colts believe that Marvin, Malik, or Rome is a true WR1 then it does not matter the cost. You go get him and stop wasting time trying to see if guys picked out of round 1 will pan out. Sometimes they do, but it's rare they become elite ones.
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6 hours ago, krunk said:
I don't think the Colts have any trade up plans primarily bc they didn't do much in FA. The plan likely is to add picks not give them away. You can add multiple blue chip defenders if you trade back #15 while still getting a blue chip WR in Rd 1. Blue chip according to the Colts standards more than the pundits and fans who are often wrong. I like the trade back the best unless Bowers or somebody else we didn't think would be there is sitting there at #15. I think the passing over better players logic is faulty for the most part bc it's based on people's perception and not how a team has things ranked on their board.
I'm going to respectfully disagree here. I think, regardless of what the fans might think, their lack of FAs and re-signing all our own means the Colts believe this team is truly capable of making waves in 2024, being only 1 play away from a playoff birth/division title.
I think they believe that they are a couple pieces away but clearly need a top skill position wideout to pair with Pittman and Downs. Every pick after that is fillers, depth, and/or less important needs in their minds.
You could wind up being correct but I'm sticking with my trade up scenario where the only way I'm wrong is that we find out later, the Colts could not find a trade partner or that the trade partners really wanted to much in compensation.
I'm sticking with Colts trade to with Chargers and take Nabers at pick 5.
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I think the draft falls this way:
1) Bears: Caleb
2) Commanders: Daniels
3) Vikings (trade with Pats) Maye
4) Cardinals: MHJ
5) Colts (trade with Chargers) Nabers
Reason for my top 5 is that I think the Patriots really like McCarthy, coupled with the Brady/McCarthy Michigan thing plus the Pats need more player help, it makes sense for the Pats to trade back to 11 but still be in front of the Raiders and Broncos to get their QB
Colts trade up reason: I think the Chargers need O-line help as well as other players like WR, however I believe the Chargers can still get a top LT at 15 and WR late in round one or if they trade back into round one which I believe they will attempt to do in this scenario. Plus, the Harbough Indy connection makes this trade likely.
Even if the Commanders take Maye at 2, I still think the Vikings trade up and then grab Daniels. Pats take McCarthy.
I think this is the year the Colts finally will mortgage a little bit of the future for the wideout. I'm going to stick with this. I hope my gut is correct here, we'll see.
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It wouldn't shock me to see the Colts trade their 15th overall, a conditional 2025 pick, and Alec Pierce to the niners for their 31st selection overall and Aiyuk.
I know Aiyuk wants an extension, but I think the Colts could do it.
This is a pure guess and only contingent that the Colts could not find any trade partners to grab a wideout at 15.
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It truly is a head scratcher for me when it comes to positional value.
I get that everyone believes that Ballard has hamstrung us at corner. Kept Rogers anyone?
Regardless, with the NFL competition committee each year making rules that favor the OFFENSE all in the name of player safety, why is everyone so hung up on defensive positional values?
This team needs skill players more than defense. At least on the priority. Just my
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I will say this; popular or unpopular
For those who want a Corner Back at 15... Corner Backs do not win you many games in this league.
Elite WR's or Elite TE's do as this league is predicated on scoring points.
I personally believe the Colts will trade up with the caveat being that another team would want to move back that far to 15.
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41 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
Nelson isn’t rated as elite in the national front? LOL. He’s been all-pro far more than not (that’s the definition of elite brother). Braden Smith has drawn a top 15 (of all tackles) rating by pff. We actually scored a top 10 duo tackle rating last year prior to Smith’s lingering injury issues. Grover’s run stop win rate was ranked 3rd in the league. So I believe you are the own showing bias to keep pounding your narrative that doesn’t mean anything…Again, I also think it's a matter of context on both our sides argument here. Nelson to me is an elite guard, but he is a guard. A guard does not move the needle to which I'm speaking, at least in my context. A bona-fide household superstar where even the casual NFL fan would know, Nelson is not. At his position, sure, but he doesn't move the NFL needle of relevancy aside from being a top 5 at his position and a Colt's fan fave.
Either way, you have your take, I have mine.
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7 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
it didn’t go over my head at all.. I just said it was weird, because it is.Again, subjective
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37 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
You lost me entirely when you omitted Quenton Nelson as an impact player from your rambling.
By all accounts, Quenton, Braden Smith, JT, Grover all are towards the top of their positions and considered impact players. They have all been dramatically missed when not on the field. Pittman as well. What has been missing is consistent qb play. Ballard had 2 years of it with Andrew and Phil Rivers.
Yes, I can honestly say, without bias, when factoring in the quarterback shuffling, they have been relatively successful from a winning standpoint... Andrew Luck carried far worse rosters to a couple winning seasons... When teams led by Carson Wentz and Gardner Minshew are a play or two away from a division title/playoffs, it's a far better roster than you will ever give credit to.Your tortoise and hare talk is just weird.
It's a metaphor in approach. Ballard in his approach to team building, "the tortoise", goes along slowly trying to outsmart the other NFL team's way of team building, "hares", in an attempt to cross the finish line, "win championships", first.
In the story, the tortoise outsmarts the hare and comes in first. In this story, that has not been the case.
Sorry, that went over your head.
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25 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
You lost me entirely when you omitted Quenton Nelson as an impact player from your rambling.
By all accounts, Quenton, Braden Smith, JT, Grover all are towards the top of their positions and considered impact players. They have all been dramatically missed when not on the field. Pittman as well. What has been missing is consistent qb play. Ballard had 2 years of it with Andrew and Phil Rivers.
Yes, I can honestly say, without bias, when factoring in the quarterback shuffling, they have been relatively successful from a winning standpoint... Andrew Luck carried far worse rosters to a couple winning seasons... When teams led by Carson Wentz and Gardner Minshew are a play or two away from a division title/playoffs, it's a far better roster than you will ever give credit to.Your tortoise and hare talk is just weird.
And you intentionally left out where I said it was purely subjective, meaning that there would always be a few, you included who will mention players you are biased towards. I will give you Luck as I clearly forgot to list him. So, 3 players in 8 years that would move the needle.
Newsflash. Nelson, Braden Smith or Glover is NOT recognized on a national front in the likes of the NFL elite. As an example, NOT once have I ever heard Smith's name outside of a local market or fan base forum.
Guys like you miss the point. You always do, so it's no surprise that what I say is considered a ramble. As you clearly did exactly what I said you would do and asked you not to in my ramble.
TAKE OUT THE BIAS AND EXCUSES. < I capped and bolded this as clearly you cannot or choose not to follow along as you used "shuffling of QBs" and players whom you are biased towards in your rebuttal.
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10 hours ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
Hence the first sentence and second to last sentence of my post… You said the roster is good aside from the secondary, no? I asked if the secondary is improved, both in additions and more development from the current group, and this team has success this fall, will you say the process is not working?
you have a wild way of side-stepping questions…
When speaking of this roster and NFL rosters in general, all are pretty good as the guys that make it to the NFL are elite players. The difference lies in the achievements by said players and when and how those achievements are listed or viewed by all in the NFL landscape.
This Colt's group as a whole has not consistently measured up over the last 8 years and that is the issue. This team will shine and beat teams that are perennial top dogs every season then turn around and lose to lesser opponents or to division rivals in key moments.
When speaking of the individual accolades, no player on this team outside of Taylor carries any Superstar Mantra in their resume and even his light has somewhat diminished. Leonard was heading there before he got hurt, but it was at a position that doesn't move the fan needle. Pittman is a very good, borderline great possession receiver; however, he gets lost in the likes of a Hill, Jefferson, etc. as his mantra doesn't move the needle.
Media and NFL fans gravitate to the big-name players and especially the ones who make HUGE NFL impact plays or whom are part of NFL teams that have had huge success which is wins/losses/championships. Indy has none of that for now 8 years.
Maybe 2 players that were considered Impact players, and maybe one if AR pans out. Think about that? In 8 years. Now that is subjective, however you have to take out the Colts bias that exists within this forum to do so. Nobody mentions these Colts players when speaking of the elite NFL players. No one outside of Indy and even then, it's hard-pressed.
Then throw in the team's success with winning reg season games/playoffs/championships. It's a barren cupboard and has been a middle of the road team stuck on average for that entire 8 years.
So, in conclusion ask yourself this: Taking the bias, small step analogies, and excuses out of the equation; Can you honestly look at this team under Ballard and say it has been successful in any facet to date? Success being measured in wins/losses and player talent recognized at the highest levels?
So here we are again within a "Ballard Off-Season". I'm siding with @Restinpeacesweetchloe on this one, even though she should be siding with me as I've been saying this now for years..Ha!! This roster is not good enough. Not now. Not in the last 8 years.
And I'm siding with all the others who are finally waking up to understanding that Ballard is a constant right lane tortoise with this Colts team. Slow and steady, taking in the sights while the rest of the league are hares who mostly speeds right by in the outer lanes. So far, this tortoise and hare story is very different from the one Ballard is clinging to I'm afraid and I firmly believe it is time to join the hares however doing do would mean we would have to change our driver.
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I think what is also going unnoticed here, as it seems most are concerned about the division, is that the AFC was a gauntlet before the Texans offseason.
Ravens
Chiefs
Jets
Texans
Bills
Dolphins
Bengals
Browns
Jags
The above is why Ballard is off his rocker. Those rosters compared to ours are off the chain with the exception of the Chiefs, but they have Mahom-Boy.
If Ballard thinks AR will be Mahomes and elevate all pass catchers like Brady did, he is nutzoid.
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14 minutes ago, KB said:
So we out here throwing a fit every time another team makes a signing or trade? Lmao.
I don't advocate throwing fits.
We should be throwing moving van coupons in Ballard's mailbox. God forbid he should have to pay full price to leave town.
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13 forced fumbles in the last 4 years. That's 3.25 a season average even while blanking in 2023. ( I used 4 as in 2023 he had zero FF )
In comparison:
Paye: 3 forced fumbles in last three years. 1 per season average
Dayo: 3 forced fumbles in last 3 years. 1 per season average.
Ebukam: 5 FF in last 3 years. 1.67 per season average.
Buckner: 4 FF in last 3 years. 1.34 per season average.
And Reddick is less productive?
It took 3 of our guys to equal one of Reddick.
I would have dropped Dayo and Paye and took Reddick all day and twice on Sunday
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6 hours ago, Zoltan said:
No one is afraid of paying for talented players, they just don't want to pay aging players past their peak or players that are coming off a lot of hype that doesn't match their talent. We have seen that before with Grigson and all it does is put you in a bad spot salary cap wise and unable to resign your own good players. You combine that with also having to trade away high draft picks it's not worth it.
Do you even know what you are talking about? No you obviously don't.
Reddick last 4 years. 12.5, 11, 16, and 11. These are sack totals, and you are going to sit here and spout the bolded.
What a joke.
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3 hours ago, Shive said:
He's also requiring a new contract as well, which may have kept us out of it if the number is too high.
Reddick is also a bit undersized for what we like to run on our DL, so I doubt he was on the radar. For the record, he was one of "my guys" in that draft class and I wanted to take him in the 1st, so I don't disagree that he would be nice to bring in.
Why is everyone on here always afraid of or not wanting to pay talented players. This is also absurd and this argument is getting old
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24 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Jets picked Haason Reddick from the Eagles for a conditional 3rd
In 2026 that could become a second if he plays 68% of the snaps, but who cares. I mean we couldn't offer that?
Reddick is hands down better than what we currently have in the rush department.
Seriously, this is absurd.
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Just now, indyagent17 said:
This time of year is easily the most frustrating. Conjecture is the game and free agency has been a bit frustrating with only 2 players picked up from outside the organization
Free agency has calmed down and its still a month from the draft.
Oh. I thought this was a thread about "until Ballard got fired" for which I would agree... The waiting is getting unbearable 🤣🤣
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4 hours ago, John Hammonds said:
For the 7th year in a row, here is the list of MY GUYS -- I sure hope the Colts draft a couple of these.
Players are in DraftTek ranking, as of March 23.
2 (Round 1) - Marvin Harrison Jr, WR, Ohio St. - Bigger than his father, but possesses the same precise route running, hands, and overall speed. Gold plated WR1.
3 (Round 1) - Joe Alt, OT, Notre Dame - 3 time starter, 2 time all-American. With the bloodlines (father = John Alt) to back it up.
4 (Round 1) - Brock Bowers, TE, Georgia - Prodigy receiving TE, along the lines of Dalton Kincaid, Kyle Ptts, Travis Kelce, etc. Doesn't have the size to be an in-line blocker. But why would you want to?
7 (Round 1) - Malik Nabors, WR, LSU - School all-time leader in receptions and yards... and that's saying something. Electric in both downfield and short-running game.
8 (Round 1) - Rome Odunze, WR, Washington - Physical freak. Leaves sparkles across the field wherever he goes. Could still use work on his route tree. But what to work with!
14 (Round 1) - Quinyon Mitchell, CB, Toledo - Speedy and sticky. Prime coverage skills with range. Still needs to be tested at the highest level, but ready for it.
15 (Round 1) - Terrion Arnold, CB, Alabama - Highly productive in both breakups and interceptions. Converted from safety. Issue with penalties.
18 (Round 1) - Laiatu Latu, DE, UCLA - Un-retired after injury. Older and wiser, has a complete package of pass rush moves to humiliate OT's. Health and run defense are concerns.
19 (Round 1) - Nate Wiggins, CB, Clemson - Elite size and speed. Top flight cover corner. Willing to mix it up, but play strength doesn't lend to run support.
21 (Round 1) - Cooper DeJean, S, Iowa - Played corner at Iowa but projects to Free Safety in the NFL. Can do it all, with the ability to play corner, both safeties, and nickel.
24 (Round 1) - Troy Fautanu, OG, Washington - Built like guard but with abnormally long arms. 2 year starter at OT; can play both positions.
30 (Round 1) - Brian Thomas, WR, LSU - Elite route running for a guy with a 6-4 frame. Great quickness, and huge catch radius. Benefited from gifted supporting cast.
31 (Round 1) - Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon - Explosive straight line speed and acceleration. A bit of a long-ball specialist without the shorter game nuance.
34 (Round 2) - Adonai Mitchell, WR, Texas - Lightning quick, with all world physical traits. Flashes special abilities, but also has a tendency to coast when he's not the primary target.
35 (Round 2) - Xavier Worthy, WR, Texas - Pencil thin with ungodly speed. Not one dimensional. Has issues with drops, and is worthless in the run game.
36 (Round 2) - T'Vondre Sweat, DT, Texas - Massive man with unmeasured strength. A 3-day ride just to get around him. No help in the pass rush, but a monster in the box.
37 (Round 2) - Tyler Nubin, S, Minnesota - Brainy center fielder with long range and high production. Always in the right place. Not due to speed, through.
39 (Round 2) - Braden Fiske, DT, Florida State - Energetic with a motor that will not stop. Not the greatest physical specimen, but impressed at the combine.
47 (Round 2) - Graham Barton, OL, Duke - True flexible player with the ability to play all 5 OL spots. Short arms dictate he ought to play inside.
49 (Round 2) - Roman Wilson, WR, Michigan - Not physically flashy, but competently productive. Shades of Terry McLaurin in his game.
64 (Round 2) - Marshawn Kneeland, DE, Western Michigan - Violent and angry pass rusher. Twitchy. Not the most physically impressive, and can play reckless.
69 (Round 3) - Jeremiah Trotter Jr, LB, Clemson - Instinctive read-and-react player with bloodlines. A bit small for the position with shorter arms and limited range.
78 (Round 3) - Cole Bishop, S, Utah - Large and competent, but not physically overwhelming. Knows what he's doing. Short arms create secure tackling issues.
125 (Round 4) - Cam Hart, CB, Notre Dame - Fifth year senior. Physical freak with huge size, an insane wingspan, and good speed. Still needs work taking the proper angles.
169 (Round 5) - Malik Mustapha, S, Wake Forest - Bonkers range, with ability to reach top speed instantly. Undersized with poor tackling technique.
171 (Round 6) - Julian Pearl, OT, Illinois - Large and long with great physical traits to play swing tackle. Nimble, with good foot speed. Needs work on technique.
197 (Round 7) - JD Bertrand, LB, Notre Dame - 2 time team captain; 3 year starter; 3 year team leader in tackles. Relies on athleticism, needs a lot of work on technique.
204 (Round 7) - Dylan Laube, RB, New Hampshire - All purpose offensive weapon in both running and receiving out of the backfield. Lacks long speed, but creates matchup issues.
227 (Free Agent) - Jaylon Carlies, S, Missouri - BIG safety best projects to linebacker. Well tuned to modern game for linebackers with safety range. Instant special teams asset.
I can't believe I just wasted over 3 minutes reading this list only to find out that you never once mentioned me...
Now I'm sad. Twice
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8 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
I’m not sure that’s where the pressure is this year… It’s now on vets that were retained on big contracts and guys that have a year or two under their belts. I think this is a big year for the system. Hope it pays off. Draft should be a supplemental, picking up the most talent we can that can impact and filling some needs. Of course there are holes, everyone has them. They are putting pressure on AR, JT, Pitt and co to cover those up… We’ll see what they do in the next month to shore up the secondary…
what else did you see with your crystal ball? Dropping the ball on a division title in 2023?Whatever shot you are attempting to take, move along. Sometimes in life hunches turn out to be right, sometimes they don't.
The sun will still shine regardless of how much shade you try to cast.
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16 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
I know people who switch spouses after a few years and cars every 6-9 months… Patience is a virtue and not common in the 21st century.Patience is fine when it pays off. Here it has not.
I would have gladly been wrong in my personal assessment of Ballard if his way would have succeeded. Why wouldn't I have been happy? It would have meant the Colts would be competing for championships practically every year, but they have not been.
So, in this case, the coin flip landed on our side of thinking.
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7 minutes ago, RollerColt said:
4-5 years? So after just a few years as GM you were already done with him?
Yes. I saw it coming. Did not like his approach as it seemed like he was attempting to build a team from the late 80's early 90's. I have been on record many times and took a lot of beef over my take on his approach.
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9 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Yes, I'm sure he doesn't understand.
I'm sure you are just fixating on the "understand" part of the response, however you kind of do this often towards those you disagree with or suggest things that you don't agree with either.
I think it might be time for you to read the room, as the room has now gotten larger with those who are finally waking up to what some of us have been saying about Ballard for years.
He may understand, however there truly is a miss somewhere in his thinking/philosophy/approach. Whatever that may be, (fill in the blank)...it is hurting this team.
I for one am pleased to see that a lot of the forum members really are starting to wake up. I'm just sad that it has taken 4-5 years for those fans to do so.
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Colts have the 15th pick in the draft. (MERGE)
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If they stay at 15 and grab a guy like Thomas, then they should take 2 more right after in case they miss. At this point, we need receivers so go get some.