[Saints have fired Rob Ryan (updated)]

They just announced on MNF that he has now been fired

[I finally agreed with Chris Collinsworth for once]

I believe it means take a step and turn your hips with possession.

So when a receiver lays out for a ball and barley gets two feet in before going out of bounds, does he take a step and turn his hips?

[Dorsett]

Imagine if Dorsett had Whalen's hands. Maybe he does, I honestly don't know. I did read that he had problems with drops in college.

Can you provide a link? I've never heard anyone talk about Dorsett having a problem dropping the ball.

[Seriously, why haven't we signed a backup QB yet?.....]

Well for what it's worth

JMV1070 tweeted Clipboard Jesus is in town

Charlie Whitehurst signing coming up?

EDIT: Confirmed

Colts claimed former Titans QB Charlie Whitehurst on waivers, per league source.

[Empty Roster spot.]

I think they bring back a QB - just a hunch.

How did you know?

[Report: Colts held players-only meeting as front office tension continues]

The problem is that it makes Pagano look weak. By leaking the information they are accomplishing the exact opposite of what they want, assuming their goal was to support Pagano.

I agree. This whole thing stinks. It doesn't matter what the rumor is. It doesn't matter who is spreading it. The only thing that matters is that whatever issue/issues there may be, it has been allowed to build enough tension that it has caused the orgination to divide, take sides, point fingers, and leak information. Coaches aren't performing there best, players arent performing there best.

So what's left? Either get it figured out, or fire everyone. I think at the end of the season, Irsay will be looking for a new GM and coaches. Which means will be starting over again. The new coaches will want to run there schemes and get players they want. We are 4 years into Luck's career. At the time we are supposed to adding the final touches to the team and competing for superbowls, we are going to be resetting and rebuilding. I just don't want to see Luck's talents wasted here while the owner, GM, and coaches are fighting over things that should have been figured out before they signed their contracts.

[Report: Colts held players-only meeting as front office tension continues]

I'll also add that I think this is bigger than just a couple instances where the coaches were told to play this person over that person. I think we are barley scratching the surface of what is going on. The bottom line is, the office, coaches, and team are not on the same page and it showing up on the field.

[Report: Colts held players-only meeting as front office tension continues]

Very interesting listen, especially around the 3 minute mark when Holden says the amount of crap he has heard would crash the Star's website. Then he says he only reports things with multiple sources and that is why everything doesn't come out through him.

Personally with all of the reports coming out, it's impossible for me to believe something isn't going on. On random websites you will get more rumors and heresy, but when journalists who have integrity reporting for major sites and papers are reporting a lot of this stuff thinking something isn't happening turns into denial.

For a lot of posters here, I think it's the "say it ain't so" or "it won't happen to me" mentality. It's too horrible for them to admit it's true, so they simply pretend it's not. Oddly enough, many don't have a problem believing it for other teams.

I agree 100%. And it's not just Holder saying he has information, everyone is. JMV says it's the worse he has seen it, which includes 2011 when players were leaking information to lite a fire under Polian. JMV pretty much said you don't even have to dig for the info and is shocked at how many people are willing to leak information.

[Report: Colts held players-only meeting as front office tension continues]

Listened to Dan Dakich on the ride in to work this afternoon... and he brought up a good point

Why, if this is a players-only meeting we're talking about here, do we even know about it?

Because Colt players are leaking information. The mere fact that Holder got this information let's us know that there is something going on with them all. Players aren't happy how things are being ran. Right or wrong and whatever it is, this needs to be stopped and issues resolved. Otherwise, at the end of the season everyone is gone.

[Is Grigson a "Control Freak"...And Does It Matter]

And I just wanted to ask whether or not there have really been "all these reports" or if it just hasn't been the same single report spread around multiple websites and articles...you know..the multiple authors just cutting and pasting what one person said a while ago.

First, I don't disagree with any of the points you have made. And I honestly don't care who is making what decisions. If Irsay wants Grigson making those calls, fine. I can deal with that.

I just want the colts to have success, be competitive, and win.

I get that reporters can twist, distort, and fabricate what they have been told. I understand. I just can't believe that 8 weeks into a 3-5 season, after firing the OC, after all these "rumors" that Irsay hasn't spoke up.

I simply feel that if there wasn't at least a shred of truth to any of this, Irsay would have already spoke up. Surely he wouldn't want these false rumors hanging over his team?

[Is Grigson a "Control Freak"...And Does It Matter]

Its hard to stop something if it is being continually led by outside agitators. There is very little control over what they say.

And it may very well be that the Oline decisions were made at the top. Maybe that was the best place for them to be made considering the background of the people closer to the field. Maybe the Colts won a few more games because of it.

Again, I want to know what happened when Arians was here.

Well, if Irsay is behind this and is/was on board with Grigson deciding who to play, then why don't he just come out and say it? I'm pretty sure it would put the rumors to bed. People may not like it, but Irsay is boss and what he says go.

You may be right, maybe Grigson was the best person to make the oline decisions, but apparently, there are people/players within or close to the organization that disagree. And not just disagree, but disagree to the point that they are leaking information to reporters every week.

[Is Grigson a "Control Freak"...And Does It Matter]

As far as meddling in the the Oline...that's an overstatement, we're talking about three positions on the oline. Nobody questions starting AC at LT or Cherilous at RT. When there is clearly superior talent, who should start is obvious.

So we're talking about meddling in decisions that involve LG,C, and RG who are 3rd and 4th round and UDFA talent combined with vet free agents who can only command a team friendly contract.

Would it have changed things much which one started over the next?

Were and are there clearly superior players at the C or G positions who got benched in order to serve a egomanic's personality? Is that the accusation?

I get the feeling is that he meddling in more than just the oline, and it wasn't just last year. Maybe he made them play Luck, knowing he was injured?

None of us know for sure, but the point is there shouldn't be this type of distraction, and it should have been stopped before it was allowed to escalate.

I don't think we have all these reports, if there isn't at least a hint of truth to the rumors.

[Report: Colts held players-only meeting as front office tension continues]

https://m.soundcloud.com/1070-the-fan-1/1104-holder-jmv

I find this very interesting, especially with Holders article released tonight. JMV also mentions that he has heard rumor that TY returning punts was Irsay's call.

[Report: Colts held players-only meeting as front office tension continues]

Richardson is an obvious won. He never got better week to week either so it's not like the "showing progress" excuse was applicable. He remained in the lineup until the infamous "healthy scratch" incident.

Nicks might be another example too. Moncrief was clearly better by mid season last season,

But who this year? Maybe the Offensive Line 1st two games, but what else?

[Offensive Philosophy Systems: Bruce Arians to Pep Hamilton to Rob Chudzinski]

I running back, 2 tight ends.

[Pats/Dolphins game thread]

Starting to get ugly

[Report: Irsay, Grigson had “heated conversation” in locker room]

The point is -- you're accepting what the Blog says and not what I'm saying. That's your right.

But there's nothing to the blog that can't be found right here. The blog offered no proof.

You're free to believe who you want and what you want. That's the way of the world......

I just don't happen to think the idea that Pep had never actually called plays until he came to the Colts to make any sense. It defies logic and common sense.

I know this is off topic and I quoted you because you say you have followed Stanford for so long. Is the position really called the Andrew Luck Director of Offense? I guess I don't get it?

[Upcoming Free Agents]

What the chances of the Panthers letting Josh Norman test free agency? I read somewhere that they tried to extend him in the off season but negotiations stalled. He would be a good replacement for Toler, just not sure what kind of money he would want.

[One of the unpopular things I would do is trade TY Hilton in the offseason]

We don't need to trade TY, but it would be nice if he showed up to play every game. He had 4 receptions on 14 targets. His stats look good, but that was really only 2 plays where the defender fell down. And why, after being shut down all game, is he diving into the end zone on the 1st TD? Kind of silly IMO.

[Joe's League 2015]

I would like to do some trading. I thought maybe it would be easier to do it here.

Here is who I have that I am willing to part with:

Mike Wallace

Tavon Austin

Delanie Walker

Martellus Bennett

Marshawn Lynch

Andre Ellington

CJ Spiller

Chris Johnson

Antonio Andrews

Peyton Manning

I am looking for a receiver and a running back or 2.

[Looking for someone to take over a team in the Elite League]

So do I get to take over a team or not?

Im new to the forum and did not realize the Joe's league was a feeder to the Elite league. I just wanted to have another fantasy team. I could care less about being able to stay in the elite league.

[Looking for someone to take over a team in the Elite League]

I will

[Need help with Fantasy Football? Ask here (2015 edition)!]

Spiller, floyd, bell. That order.

Thanks

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Brady is the easy choice. Shaky O-line and short week for Peyton while sturdy O-line and long 10 days for Brady to prepare.

Thanks.

QB: Brady

RB 1: Lynch

RB 2: Chris Johnson

WR 1: Beckham

WR 2: Wallace

WR/RB: ??

WR/TE: Bennett

Bench:

Spiller (not sure if he will play or not)

Ellington (injured)

Joique Bell

Michael Floyd

Marvin Joneses

D. Walker (not sure if he will play)

I can't decide between Bell or Floyd for the flex position. If Spiller does play Sunday, should I play him or wait and see how he does first.

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P. Manning vs the Chiefs or Brady vs the Bills?

I had Brady on the bench last week and he lit it up. I played Manning and he didn't even throw a TD.

I'm leaning towards starting Brady, but the Bills defense is better than the Steelers. What's the chances of Manning being back to his normal self this week? I thought I heard something about his back being hurt after the game as we'll.