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15 hours ago, CheezyColt said:
I need the sad/crying react emoji because getting no receivers or corners in this draft would be devastating lol.
DeJean would improve the secondary, Cooper would improve the underneath coverage, and Kneeland would improve the pass rush. The RT from Yale would improve the blocking, which would protect the franchise and make JT a better runner.
It comes together in the end.
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9 minutes ago, w87r said:
Not that far fetched.
Probably better odds of that happening, than most the stuff posted around here
I would say my odds as I sit here now.
60% trade back
35% stay put
05% trade up
What is also plausible about it is that it sticks to Ballard's value system. Drafts a FS, ILB, DL and OL, and rolls another season with the young Corners and Receivers.
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5 minutes ago, w87r said:
They don't have #83, they have #53.
#22 + #53 is pretty close to #15 value. We might need to add #117 to make it work. I could see that deal though, even more talk today about Eagles trying to move up.
That would give us:
#22,#46,#53,#82
Ok, my bad. Yeah, DeJean and pick 53 for our pick 15. Play him at FS. Could get Cooper at 46, EDGE Marshawn Kneeland at 53 (or a WR), then the OT with the 36 inch arms from Yale at 82....hopefully still there.
Philly could trade up for Mitchell. Probably a better pure corner than DeJean at 22.
Fantasy stuff, but plausible.
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1 hour ago, DougDew said:
I'm thinking that Bowers or DeJean in the 1st (depending upon trade up of down) plus Cooper in the 2nd would be the best picks for intersecting need and value. JMO.
BTW, I'm thinking DeJean at FS, reasoning for the trade down to 22 and picking up #83. He doesn't have to man up cover. Just be instinctive, quick, tackle. and make plays.
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3 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Would only so something like that to secure my next franchise QB. Beyond that, no.
No extra first round picks for a position player. Probably not even a 2025 second.
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2 hours ago, w87r said:
Yeah I would throw #151 in as well if required. Wouldn't hold it up.
I agree would love Cooper, said a couple times I actually feel like that is our actual biggest need.
Just need high end competition at the other spots.
Harrison is out best cover LB, that's how down bad we are there.
Edge can rush and CB can cover but if LB can't control the underneath it's all for naught.
Numerous guys we could trade down 5 or so spots for, guess it just depends on if there is a guy at #15 they have rated a lot higher than the rest.
I'm thinking that Bowers or DeJean in the 1st (depending upon trade up of down) plus Cooper in the 2nd would be the best picks for intersecting need and value. JMO.
I think the corners, WRs, and edges...(meaning not the top 14 projected players).... just miss the mark when speaking of need, talent, and value....at 15.
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12 minutes ago, w87r said:
Which they could still do at #15.
I don't see Ballard giving up #15 and #46 for #9, unless they sent #75 back as well and us giving #117 in return, of something.
So: #9, #75 for #15, #46, #117(puts trade within 15pts on the chart)(maybe 2025 5th to get closer?)
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#9 for #15,#82, 2025 3rd(your second option up there, not sure you'd need #151, but whatever if so)
That 2nd is too valuable this year(we don't need much, but what we can get there we need), to just toss in for a 3rd next year. If you're going to do that, I would just rather then throw in next year's 1st as well, and go get Harrison.
Anyway it goes Im not really wanting to trade up for Bowers. If he's there cool, but I don't like trading up for him
I'm think I'm almost the opposite of a lot of people right now.
I think if there is any year we should trade down, it's this season.
We already know he has (20ish players with 1st round grades)(hopefully a few more)
So can still get a major contributor while picking up an additional Day 2 pick. Where it just so happens is a pretty strong part.
So options:
Trade Up:
(2) players in Day 1 and 2(top 100)
(WR+CB?)
(TE+CB?)
Stay Put:
(3) players in Day 1 and 2(top 100)
(WR+CB+OL?)
(Edge+WR+CB?)
Trade Down:
(4) players in Day 1 and 2(top 100)
(WR+CB+OL+S)
(Edge+WR+CB+OL)
Obviously those positions can go a few other ways, but I just think how the team is assembled right now. Adding (4) more top 100s to fill out these positions is the better route than just (2).
I'd think CHI would want more picks, so I'd be more willing to give the 82, 151, and next year's pick.
This is supposedly a down year for draft talent. I'd gladly discard 3rd round and later picks to get a premium offensive player and maybe Edgerin Cooper with 9 and 46.
I could also see trading down to 22 with Philly and draft Dejean. We'd get Philly's pick 83 for that move down. 4 picks in the first 83 should help find more explosion for the team.
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6 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
Chicago may be a willing trade partner. They only have 4 picks in this year's draft and no 2nd round pick.
Us giving up a 3rd and a 5th, or a 2nd and getting CHIs 2025 3rd, is peanuts in terms of what we get back. A generational (by pundit prediction) Move TE......whereas if we just stood at 15 we'd probably have to settle for a Corner, A FS, a somewhat redundant WR, or a non elite EDGE.
But if Bowers is that good, I would think CHI would want him to pair with Williams at QB. OTOH, they could get a second tier WR at 15 and maybe another piece at 46, could be what they would be thinking.
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17 minutes ago, Dobbinblitz said:
" Bears insider Bill Zimmerman of Windy City Gridiron turned some heads with his first mock draft. In it, he stated that GM Ryan Poles would trade down from the 9th overall pick. The team coming up was the Indianapolis Colts, seeking to land another offensive playmaker for Anthony Richardson. In that case, it was Georgia tight end Brock Bowers, knowing the New York Jets were a favorable landing spot for him. Zimmerman never mentions these things by accident, so it was interesting"
Schrager said pretty much the same thing.
That would be the trade up that I would expect, if any. For the same reason mentioned, to get ahead of the Jets.
Our pick 15, 46, for CHI's pick 9 and their 2025 3rd rounder. Or, 15, 82, pick 151 and our 2025 third rounder for their pick 9.
With AP, Downs, and Pitt, I don't see a trade up for a WR. But with our F TE's being Mallory, and Granson on a contract year, getting a shiny new F TE on a 5 year rookie deal makes more sense, IMO.
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2 hours ago, smittywerb said:
I’d say it was a mixed year. Remember, we were losing games because wentz kept checking out of run plays and he’d throw the ball +30 times and JT would only have 10 touches averaging 5 yards per. It wasn’t until we started handing the ball off more that we hit our stride. Wentz was playing well during the stride but then it was the last 2 games and teams started selling out on the run and forced us to throw. That’s how I remembered that season.
so personally, I wouldn’t say it was good, it was average. Yeah, you look at his TD/INT and think he was playing some really good ball, but when you watched the games it was different.
It looked to me like defenses figured out that they could stack the box against JT and take Pittman away via coverage.
And neither Paschal, Doyle, Mo-Allie, or whomever we had in the slot could do anything about it.
Wentz, and any QB, would have been toast under that situation, and the Oline would get aggressively attacked by the defense as well.
Compare Paschal, Doyle, Cox, and the ? slot back then to what we have now and still want to obtain.
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2 hours ago, w87r said:
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it, but for Nabors to even take this visit peeks my interest.
I like Pierce and think he will be just fine, but if there are any injuries, a 4th guy would be nice to have.
A lot of smoke screens this time of year, but like I just said above, Nabors even accepting a top 30 visit makes it seem plausible.
I'm not too worried about the safety room. Blackmon can play either spot which helps.
So the rest can compete for whichever spot Blackmon isn't playing.
Whether that means Cross wins out and starts at SS, or Thomas/Scott show their worth at FS, or Dejean/ or other potential rookie?
Would I like to bring in Simmons or Diggs? Certainly, but I'm not seeing it at this point.
Cross should be FS. He has the range. Daniel Scot was supposedly encouraging.
Blackmon s/b SS, but he can't hold up with his body type. I'm for signing a FS vet on a short term contract and have Cross and Scott play behind him. Then draft a SS with Blackmon as backup. There are a lot more SS candidates than FSs coming out, AFAIK.
SS in 2nd through 4th?
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1 hour ago, csmopar said:
If that was the case, Wentz wouldn’t have flamed out again for the Commanders. No, Wentz had one good year early in his career and was over rated and over paid since.
He actually had a good year with us. Late season implosion was a team effort. Imagine if had a real WR opposite Pittman to go to, and a TE that could actually threaten the seam. Needed to throw dump offs though.
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PFF's latest Top 150 player ranking, 4/1/24, has DeJean ranked #8. Q Mitchell is #10.
XLeggette #63. XWorthy #68.
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1 hour ago, richard pallo said:
We’ve invested a ton in TE for at least two years at least.
A ton?
Woods was a 3rd rounder. We haven't invested anything higher than a 3rd rounder in the TE space in about 20 years. That was Dallas Clark. Both Doyle and Mo resigned to decent contracts here, but they came to the Colts as UDFA's, IIRC.
Ogletree a 5th, and Granson and Mallory, both limited players, 4ths. Seems like at least one of them was probably BPA at the time.
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35 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
u dont have to be a top 15 pick to take the top off. You can find a receiver in the 2nd or 3rd round who is fast, runs a limited route tree, but his job is to scare the defense.
Doesn't that almost describe AP perfectly?
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23 minutes ago, Moosejawcolt said:
When has this stuff materialized to become true ?There are probably 4 people in that building who know what they are doing with their picks. Steichen, Ballard, Irsay and Brown. I don't believe a word of it. Plus, if they were to trade up, that is a pretty damning assessment of Ballard's drafting at the tight end position as it would say they have already given up on the young guys as they drafted TE's in the 2 previous drafts. Do i think they could trade up? Sure but no one knows but those four guys. Remember this is a team who traded for Buckner and not a work of it leaked out. Once again twitter throwing stuff at a wall hoping it sticks.
I said in the other thread, I would not be surprised if Ballard traded up this year to get one of the elite players, if there was a bright line to be drawn. I don't think anybody would disagree that Bowers belongs in that group.
Look at where the real holes are on offense. The WR group is a known quantity, Pitt, Downs, and AP all played a lot. The TE group is more unknown. Lots of role players, and Woods who was out all year, and Cox who probably could be a cap casualty. I talked about the TE room being less impressive than many here thought. I I think it is much less stable than the WR group as a whole. Bowers could set the corner stone for that group, with everybody else filling in as the role players they seem to be.
On defense, RDE is a long term issues since Ebukam is not that, and Paye has apparently switched to LDE. But I don;t know if trading up for an EDGE is necessary. Corner has known quantities that can be worked with. Of course, S is a hole, but that's not likely in the first round even with a trade down.
I think this trade rumor makes some sense. Doesn't mean it isn't speculation, but there may be some legs with this one. If so, I hope Ballard can include one of our redundant TEs in the trade, any one of them is fine w/me, to maybe help save having to give up pick 46.
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12 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
If true, I’d assume there were many other examples for Irsay to base his decision. But we’re never going to know them.
I remember Wentz’s first game, at home vs the Rams. Aaron Donald dragged down Wentz in the end zone and rolled over his legs. Wentz suffered TWO high ankle sprains in one play. I’ve never heard of that in my life. But to his credit, Wentz got his ankles taped and didn’t miss any games because of that. I thought that was good leadership.
But, if I remember correctly, I think Wentz got Covid twice, once late in the season. I’m sure that didn’t help his cause.
Again, I’m only going on what I’ve read here.
Nelson, Smith, Kelly, and Leonard never got the shot. Most of the stars/leaders. IIRC, Irsay sort of laid the leadership thing on Wentz, in that he didn't whip his team into doing what it took to keep practicing and playing without risk. Then a lot of players got it during that infamous end of season melt down.
I don't know if any of that leadership criticism was really due to covid, but a lot of things were getting blamed on covid and the attitudes back then so I guess its possible.
I said I thought the trade was premature, and Wentz should have been allowed to come back the next season with a better supporting cast of receivers, but the FO pulled the plug on that pretty quickly.
I also thought the move from Wentz to Ryan in about a week was one of Ballard's actual genius maneuvers, but we see how that went.
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19 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:
Wentz was here in 2021. He did not have the same rooms as we currently have.
And my understanding of the primary reason the Colts moved on from him was how Wentz dealt with COVID. He didn’t get the shot and I think Irsay felt he was a very poor leader. I don’t think Wentz failed because he didn’t have enough talent around him. Numbers-wise, Wentz had a decent season. Much better than the last season he had in Philly.
Yes to most of those things. Your comment about Wentz not working out struck me as a decent comparison to the WR/TE room then as now...and a receiver room that many folks think needs to get even better in the draft.
I think Wentz would have had a decent chance of working out if it wasn't Zach Paschal who played opposite Pittman. Paschal went to Philly and got buried in the depth chart behind actually good players. I can't even remember who played slot, since PC was on IR?. I think Doyle was TE...the F role?, and Mo was a younger version of himself. Godawful help for a QB who liked to sling it downfield, IMO.
Just an OT divergence about the past. And maybe a comment about Ballard. Carry on.
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1 hour ago, NewColtsFan said:
I think he believes he’s built a good roster except at one position, quarterback. And certainly not because he didn’t try. If Wentz had worked out I think the conversation around here would’ve been very different these last years.
Really, do you think the WR and TE room would be any different now than what it was?
I think Wentz would have had a much better chance to succeed if the total WR and TE room was better than it was then...which is pretty much the same as it is now, and folks are now starting to see the need for other viable options besides Pittman.
Not discounting Wentz' issues, but he had the same WR and TE room to work with that everybody wants to be improved now, even worse without Downs. (who were the WRs opposite Pittman and in the slot during the Wentz year?) I think the conversation back then needed to be exactly what the conversation has been this offseason. Make that change, and I think Wentz had a decent chance of working out as the QB.
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22 minutes ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
the extent of what you were talking about was that they are painted as a one man team, to which I dispute entirely. I don’t view them as such. In fact, I don’t think Pat Mahomes wins a single Super Bowl without Travis Kelce. That’s a bold statement, but that’s how I view their offense. They removed arguably the best receiver and still won back to back without him. They wouldn’t have made the superbowl without Kelce this year. Nor would they have without Jones, Sneed and company on defense.As I said to Jvan, its subjective as to how dominant I think Mahomes is relative to how somebody else might see it. I'm not going to convince others to see it a different way.
I agree about Kelce, but they seem to be able to churn through WRs like NE did with Brady and Gronk. I didn't care for NE during that period either, and its not just because they were direct rivals of the Colts.
Mahomes/Kelce are two players specifically that can't really be replaced...very special. I think their defense is more about pass rush, coverages, and schemes; so its not as one specific person dominant like you're saying with Jones, IMO.
I don't like BAL and BUF. Lamar and Allen are two pretty unique players...one of a kind each in their own athletic way..... that are handed the responsibility to win games for their team.
That's the way I see those three teams, and I hope Ballard isn't relying upon AR to be that player for the Colts this coming season or beyond.
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1 hour ago, ColtStrong2013 said:
im not going to even address the rest of your post, but to this point, unequivocally yes. You asking this question demonstrates how little you understand about Taylor Swift and her influence. I have two swifties in my home who couldn’t care less about football until they started dating. Her influence is bigger than you can even imagine, let alone understand.I know that Swift is making Kelce more popular, to the extent that his popularity is even relevant to what I was talking about. The question was rhetorical.
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50 minutes ago, throwing BBZ said:
Joe Montana played very much like Mahomes does. The difference is that Montana had much better players around him. What Mahomes has accomplished year after year, clutch play after clutch play, is extraordinary.
And Michael Jordan won Championships with a lot of help.
AR is going to play very well, when he plays. And I am going to greatly enjoy watching our line compete, and our offensive weapons under Steichen's guidance.
And I have no faith that Ballard/Gus can put up enough defense to get us to the playoffs.
Sneed was at the top of the list as core.
They ran out of $$ for LOL.
In addition to Rice. Taylor, Dwight Clark, Roger Craig in an era when RBs mattered more, Joe Montana still made plays based upon more of his football traits, not so much personal athletic traits. That's is a distinct difference in entertainment value for me.
But that goes way back before the salary cap, when SF stacked the team.
I hope Ballard builds out the roster with talent in the "right" places.
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25 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
How many of those teams have won the Superbowl?
None recently. You can say that about NBA championships when Jordan was with the Bulls. That's the problem, it gets reduced to finding that one guy who is better than that one other guy.
But I'm talking about holding my interest as a fan and holding it over a period of time. As I've mentioned here, winning a SB "just because" is not what holds it. Certainly just winning a Division "just because" wouldn't even move the needle for me.
It might work for you. It doesn't for me.
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23 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Can you give any examples of those types of teams?
Examples, in what way? If I said that even KC has a few heros, I still think the weighting of it is bent more towards Mahomes being more of a dominant hero than the others. So the teams I list in terms of who has the best hero dispersion is going to be based on my opinion and not any type of objective criteria that you can Google and compare against...which I assume you are looking for.
Off the top. Cincy, Philly, SF, Det, probably JAX is striving to get there.
Not structured the way I like. BAL, BUF, KC.
I'm not talking about having good players. I'm talking about heros..and who the fans typically look to to make a winning play, which is subjective in itself.
Colts have the 15th pick in the draft. (MERGE)
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The idea of DeJean going in the late first round is due to his instincts and overall very competent play in nearly all aspects of DB play. Cover 3 FS is more valuable, IMO, than a cover 2 FS.
Contrast DeJean's overall RAS and talents with Hooker, who was only good at being a single high deep guy...especially his rookie year where he picked off bad QBs for a while...and DeJean at 22 or later with a 3rd round pick gathered from a trade down is a much better decision than Hooker was at 15. BTW, Blackmon had the same ACL injury as Hooker and did well as an overall S as a rookie, but wasn't a single high speed guy, and is probably still a better overall S now than Hooker is in DAL...both having the exact same injury years ago.