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I find it amusing that people want to use the freedoms provided by our country to stand against our country. I have ZERO problem with him being fired even if it's only for his kneeling, let alone his * poor play. As a son of a military family, I have no tolerance for anti-American stunts for causes. If you want to make improvements to our country, how about not insulting our flag. Do it before or after the game, but not during the national anthem. My opinion may not be popular (and I couldn't care less), but at least I have the guts to say so.
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Just messing around and did this mock too.
18: R1P18OT JACK CONKLINMICHIGAN STATE48: R2P17C RYAN KELLYALABAMA82: R3P19S JEREMY CASHDUKE116: R4P18OLB SCOOBY WRIGHTARIZONA155: R5P16DT LUTHER MADDYVIRGINIA TECH239: R7P18RB JONATHAN WILLIAMSARKANSAS -
This was just done on Fanspeak. I don't think it's realistic, but it did turn out this way and the draft does funny things. What do you guys think?
18: R1P18CB VERNON HARGREAVES IIIFLORIDA48: R2P17S KARL JOSEPHWEST VIRGINIA82: R3P19C NICK MARTINNOTRE DAME116: R4P18G CHRISTIAN WESTERMANARIZONA STATE155: R5P16ILB NICK VIGILUTAH STATE239: R7P18OLB VICTOR OCHISTONY BROOK -
Here's what I came up with while playing with Fanspeak's mock draft. What do you guys think?
18: R1P18RB EZEKIEL ELLIOTTOHIO STATE48: R2P17DT VERNON BUTLERLOUISIANA TECH82: R3P19OLB KYLER FACKRELLUTAH STATE117: R4P18CB WILL REDMONDMISSISSIPPI STATE156: R5P16C NICK MARTINNOTRE DAME240: R7P18ILB JOE BOLDENMICHIGAN -
Just chiming in on this, as I don't think any of the picks were terrible. You never know how good someone will be until they actually play for your team. I mean (and I hate to say this) who expected Brady to be as good as he has been (Deflategate, Spygate aside)? I'm willing to give the guys a few years before labeling them busts.
My point being, why try to be negative on players and where they are picked until you see them in action? I know it's everybody's right to do so, just as it is my right to say this.
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Holmes is currently our starting Center and you label him a bust?
I misspoke, I didn't mean to label him as a bust per se, as much as I don't understand why the coaches kept trying to replace him with AQ, Harrison, etc. From that standpoint he has underwhelmed. I don't have a problem with him, but when he was drafted to be our center, drafting another C, letting an UDFA C start over him is my concern. I just hope he can help solidify the OL.
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Here’s a breakdown on Colts picks by round/pick#’s as compared to other picks in different years at same position. Hope you guys enjoy.
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I broke down the Colts picks during the Grigson era based on year, the pick #, and other picks made at same # but different years to compare. As you'll see, Grigson has hit on his picks fairly well compared to others.
Year/Rd #/Pick#
1-29
3-01
3-29
4-10
5-15
6-29
6-31
7-38
2015
Phillip Dorsett
D'Joun Smith
Henry Anderson
Clayton Geathers
David Parry
Josh Robinson
Amarlo Herrera
Denzelle Goode
2014
Dominique Easley
C.J. Fiedorowicz
Brandon Linder
Mo Alexander
Arthur Lynch
Luke Bowanko
Matthew Paradis
Yawin Smallwood
2013
Cordarrelle Patterson
Travis Kelce
Duron Harmon
Brian Schwenke
A.J. Klein
Cobi Hamilton
Theo Riddick
Zeke Motta
2012
Harrison Smith
Dwayne Allen
T. Y. Hilton
Nigel Bradham
Rokevious Watkins
Jason Slowey
Matt McCants
Trevin Wade
2011
Gabe Carimi
Terrell McClain
Chris Conte
Kris Durham
Dejon Gomes
Markell Carter
Keith Williams
David Ausberry
2010
Kyle Wilson
Jerome Murphy
Tony Moeaki
Jacoby Ford
Cam Thomas
David Gettis
Charles Scott
Jameson Konz
2009
Hakeem Nicks
Shonn Greene
Corvey Irvin
Victor Butler
Rhett Bomar
Brandon Myers
Will Davis
Nick Reed
2008
Kentwan Ballmer
Kevin Smith
Cliff Avril
Michael McGlynn
Breno Giacomini
Donald Thomas
Bo Ruud
Lionel Dotson
2007
Ben Grubbs
Quentin Moses
Trent Edwards
Stephen Nicholas
Antonio Johnson
Daren Stone
Jordan Palmer
Keith Jackson
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I went to the website drafthistory.com to compile these lists. Sorry mods, not trying to promote the site, just giving a reference.
2015 Phillip Dorsett / D'Joun Smith / Henry Anderson / Clayton Geathers / David Parry / Josh Robinson / Amarlo Herrera / Denzelle Goode
2014 Jack Mewhort / Donte Moncrief / Jonathan Newsome / Andrew Jackson / Ulrick John
2013 Björn Werner / Hugh Thornton / Khaled Holmes / Montori Hughes / John Boyett / Kerwynn Williams / Justise Cunningham
2012 Andrew Luck / Coby Fleener / Dwayne Allen / T.Y. Hilton / Josh Chapman / Vick Ballard / Justin Anderson / Tim Fugger / Chandler Harnish
Obviously, the jury is out on the 2015 class as far as how it performs, but here are the other 3 drafts under Grigson. I'll give my opinions and you can give yours.
2014-Mewhort, Moncrief and Newsome are productive players. Jackson was a miss due to off the field problems and the jury is out on John.
2013-Werner, Thornton and Hughes are productive players, even if they don't produce like you thought they would. Holmes, for whatever reason, can't earn the coaches trust so I'd label him a bust for now. Boyett was a risk that didn't pan out. Williams was caught up by the numbers at RB and Cunningham same at TE.
2012-Luck, Fleener, Allen, T.Y. Hilton and Chapman are starters. Ballard has been hit by injury bug, but was doing well up till then.
Anderson, Fugger, & Harnish basically had a cup of coffee with the Colts.
By my math, the Colts have hit on 12 out of 21 picks to get either starters or good backups. Of those nine that didn't make it, six of them were drafted in the 6th round or later. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd take those numbers any day of the week.
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It is probable that Dorsett's impact will not be felt this year, while he learns the offense...production will come next year.
I agree with this regarding his contributions on offense, but he'll make his mark on special teams (I believe anyway). Hopefully, he'll be a better version of Josh Cribbs.
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That's ridiculous. . . Just because we havn't worked in a specific field doesn't mean we can't see and recognize a bad job when we see one.
I've never been a professional construction worker but if I see a house with the shingles falling off and the roof collapsing and it was just built 2 weeks ago, I would say the construction people did a bad job.
You don't have to be a pro at something to recognize when someone else has done a bad job. Nor is recognizing a bad job the same as thumping your chest and saying "I could do better". It's recognizing that the product should be far superior to that which you are seeing.
So here is some information on which I base this. Thus far Grigson has had 4 1st round draft picks.
2012 -> Andrew Luck - This was a good pick but it was also an obvious pick. A bum off the street could have made this pick.
2013-> Bjorn Werner - Bust hasn't done anything.
2014-> Traded for Trent Richardson - Epic bust, a bust so bad that he will be remembered alongside Ryan Leaf and Tony Manderich
2015-> Phillip Dorsett - A WR who will either ride the bench for 2 years barring injury, displace a better receiver above him, or send TY, the best receiver Andrew Luck has had packing in FA. All of this while the Colts had needs at every single position other then WR, TE and QB. So he overloads at WR rather then taking any position of need seeming how we had needs everywhere but WR, TE, and QB or taking one of the trade down offers on the table.
Werner starts playing good or Dorsett legitimately beats out Moncrief then I'm open to changing my opinion. But my opinion has turned against him. We're making the playoffs off the weakness of our division and the strength of our obvious QB pick in 2012. Other then that the GM has not improved the team to the level that should be expected and has blown every first round pick he's ever had after the 2012 pick.
This is the part I think you are getting it wrong. 3 straight years @ 11-5 is doing a great job, can you name other teams that have had a record like that? (It's a very short list, other teams would kill to have that success). My whole problem with your premise is you assuming Grigson has drafted badly by picking Dorsett when we don't know how the team will be constituted this upcoming season. I agree that Werner hasn't lived up to expectations, but he is a productive player. The Richardson trade was well received at the time of the trade until he proved he wasn't up to the job. You are welcome to your opinion, I'm not trying to change that, just wanted to pointed out the idiocy of suggesting Grigson be fired because you don't like his picks while the team is one of the top teams in the NFL.
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Damn Right!!!! Well said Valpo.
I wish there was a dislike button.
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It's ridiculous to think that sitting at pick 29 overall that Dorsett was the only good player available.
The Packers one of the best drafting teams in the league took a safety (a huge need for the colts) at 30. Pats took DL at 32.
I think Grigson should be judged based on those guy's careers because they where obvious picks at positions of need. If those guys bust then fine Grigs can stay. If those guys are good players he should be fired.
Should be fired anyways because if Dorsett is the only guy left you have a first round grade on and you def don't need a WR. . . TRADE DOWN!
This straight BPA without considering if the pick makes sense is stupid. Might as well draft a quarterback in the first round.
Wow! Really? Fire the GM who has help lead the Colts to 3 straight seasons to an 11-5 record and has advanced in playoffs each year? The Colts have had injuries that have hurt the Colts the last few years (Cherilus, Ballard, D. Allen, Mathis to name a few). I dare say if some of those players were healthy, the Colts may (I said may) have gone further in the playoffs. Imagine having Mathis chasing down Brady, imagine if Ballard didn't get hurt then the Richardson trade (everyone loved it before Richardson failed to succeed) wouldn't have been necessary. These are just some examples of things that have tripped up the Colts' success. Unless ANY of you complainers have worked for an NFL franchise or some other type of experience building a team (fantasy leagues don't count), you should put your trust in the team you profess to love. I'm not saying you can't be upset that they didn't draft the players you wanted, but to call for someone to be fired crosses a line of fandom to extreme fanaticism. The draft didn't go the way I wanted either, but I trust the Colts FO until such time they don't field a successful team and/or has a bunch of felons running around.
End of my rant.
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I was doing a few mocks and I think I've just had the perfect draft. Again, don't criticize for where players were drafted, I used the composite draft board. But let me know what you guys think. (Reformatted for better viewing lol)
R1P29 DT ARIK ARMSTEAD OREGONR2P61 OT CEDRIC OGBUEHI TEXAS A&MR3P93 CB ERIC ROWE UTAHR4P128 S JAQUISKI TARTT SAMFORDR5P165 RB JEREMY LANGFORD MICHIGAN STATER6P205 ILB MIKE HULL PENN STATER6P207 OT JAMON BROWN LOUISVILLER7P244 DT DERRICK LOTT TENNESSEE-CHATTANOGAR7P255 WR AUSTIN HILL ARIZONA -
Here's a mock I just completed on Fanspeak using CBS Sports' draft list. I think I did OK, let me know what you guys think. Now, don't say the picks won't be where they were drafted as they were in this version of draft. Let me know what you think of the players. Thanks guys.
29: R1P29CB TRAE WAYNESMICHIGAN STATE61: R2P29CB JALEN COLLINSLSU93: R3P29S DERRON SMITHFRESNO STATE128: R4P29RB MIKE DAVISSOUTH CAROLINA165: R5P29DT DERRICK LOTTCHATTANOOGA205: R6P29OT ANDREW DONNALIOWA207: R6P31WR STEFON DIGGSMARYLAND244: R7P27OLB DERRICK MALONE JR.OREGON255: R7P38ILB JEFF LUCCINCINNATI -
Bored again. Did 4 mock drafts today. I saw someone did an all offense draft which gave me the idea to do an all offense, an all defense, a balanced and my ideal draft. Have fun ripping them apart. LOL
All defensive draft
24: R1P24
DE RANDY GREGORY NEBRASKA
56: R2P24
S GEROD HOLLIMAN LOUISVILLE
88: R3P24
DE HAUOLI KIKAHA WASHINGTON
120: R4P24
DT LOUIS TRINCA-PASAT IOWA
152: R5P24
CB JOSH SHAW USC
184: R6P24
CB BYRON JONES CONNECTICUT
191: R6P31
S JERMAINE WHITEHEAD AUBURN
214: R7P22
S ADRIAN AMOS PENN STATE
Offensive draft
24: R1P24
WR DEVANTE PARKER LOUISVILLE
56: R2P24
C CAMERON ERVING FLORIDA STATE
88: R3P24
G LAKEN TOMLINSON DUKE
120: R4P24
RB TODD GURLEY GEORGIA
152: R5P24
C DAVID ANDREWS GEORGIA
184: R6P24
RB DAVID JOHNSON NORTHERN IOWA
191: R6P31
WR CHRISTION JONES ALABAMA
214: R7P22
WR PHILLIP DORSETT MIAMI
Balanced draft
24: R1P24
CB TRAE WAYNES MICHIGAN STATE
56: R2P24
C CAMERON ERVING FLORIDA STATE
88: R3P24
G CONNOR HANRATTY NOTRE DAME
120: R4P24
DE HAUOLI KIKAHA WASHINGTON
152: R5P24
CB JOSH SHAW USC
184: R6P24
DT J.T. SURRATT SOUTH CAROLINA
191: R6P31
ILB A.J. JOHNSON TENNESSEE
214: R7P22
C DALLAS LEWALLEN WISCONSIN
Ideal draft
24: R1P24
CB MARCUS PETERS WASHINGTON
56: R2P24
C CAMERON ERVING FLORIDA STATE
88: R3P24
DE MARKUS GOLDEN MISSOURI
120: R4P24
RB TODD GURLEY GEORGIA
152: R5P24
CB JOSH SHAW USC
184: R6P24
S SAM CARTER TCU
191: R6P31
DT J.T. SURRATT SOUTH CAROLINA
214: R7P22
WR LEVI NORWOOD BAYLOR
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Bored again. Did 4 mock drafts today. I saw someone did an all offense draft which gave me the idea to do an all offense, an all defense, a balanced and my ideal draft. Have fun ripping them apart. LOL
All defensive draft
24: R1P24
DE RANDY GREGORY NEBRASKA
56: R2P24
S GEROD HOLLIMAN LOUISVILLE
88: R3P24
DE HAUOLI KIKAHA WASHINGTON
120: R4P24
DT LOUIS TRINCA-PASAT IOWA
152: R5P24
CB JOSH SHAW USC
184: R6P24
CB BYRON JONES CONNECTICUT
191: R6P31
S JERMAINE WHITEHEAD AUBURN
214: R7P22
S ADRIAN AMOS PENN STATE
Ideal draft
24: R1P24
CB MARCUS PETERS WASHINGTON
56: R2P24
C CAMERON ERVING FLORIDA STATE
88: R3P24
DE MARKUS GOLDEN MISSOURI
120: R4P24
RB TODD GURLEY GEORGIA
152: R5P24
CB JOSH SHAW USC
184: R6P24
S SAM CARTER TCU
191: R6P31
DT J.T. SURRATT SOUTH CAROLINA
214: R7P22
WR LEVI NORWOOD BAYLOR
Offensive draft
24: R1P24
WR DEVANTE PARKER LOUISVILLE
56: R2P24
C CAMERON ERVING FLORIDA STATE
88: R3P24
G LAKEN TOMLINSON DUKE
120: R4P24
RB TODD GURLEY GEORGIA
152: R5P24
C DAVID ANDREWS GEORGIA
184: R6P24
RB DAVID JOHNSON NORTHERN IOWA
191: R6P31
WR CHRISTION JONES ALABAMA
214: R7P22
WR PHILLIP DORSETT MIAMI
Balanced draft
24: R1P24
CB TRAE WAYNES MICHIGAN STATE
56: R2P24
C CAMERON ERVING FLORIDA STATE
88: R3P24
G CONNOR HANRATTY NOTRE DAME
120: R4P24
DE HAUOLI KIKAHA WASHINGTON
152: R5P24
CB JOSH SHAW USC
184: R6P24
DT J.T. SURRATT SOUTH CAROLINA
191: R6P31
ILB A.J. JOHNSON TENNESSEE
214: R7P22
C DALLAS LEWALLEN WISCONSIN
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Here's my last mock for today. I couldn't believe Amari Cooper was still there (I don't expect him to be there during the real draft, but a guy can dream, right?)
28: R1P28WR AMARI COOPERALABAMA60: R2P28RB TEVIN COLEMANINDIANA92: R3P28DE MARKUS GOLDENMISSOURI124: R4P28CB QUANDRE DIGGSTEXAS156: R5P28DT LUTHER MADDYVIRGINIA TECH184: R6P24S TYLER HUNTERFLORIDA STATE188: R6P28OLB XZAVIER DICKSONALABAMA217: R7P25OT TORRIAN WILSONUCF -
Here's another mock, mostly defense this time.
28: R1P28DT MICHAEL BENNETTOHIO STATE60: R2P28CB JALEN COLLINSLSU92: R3P28DE SHELDON DAYNOTRE DAME124: R4P28DT GABE WRIGHTAUBURN156: R5P28RB STORM WOODSOREGON STATE184: R6P24CB DESHAZOR EVERETTTEXAS A&M188: R6P28WR CHRISTION JONESALABAMA217: R7P25S AUSTIN COLLINSWORTHNOTRE DAME -
I just got off work at 2:30 this morning, was bored so I ran a few mocks and I'll be posting them. Hope you enjoy. I went with OL first to help get the running game going and Coleman will be a beast. I went defense with the rest of the picks.
28: R1P28OT CEDRIC OGBUEHITEXAS A&M60: R2P28RB TEVIN COLEMANINDIANA92: R3P28G JOSUE MATIASFLORIDA STATE124: R4P28DE ANTHONY CHICKILLOMIAMI156: R5P28DE DEVONTE FIELDSTCU184: R6P24CB BYRON JONESCONNECTICUT188: R6P28S TYLER HUNTERFLORIDA STATE217: R7P25CB LADARIUS GUNTERMIAMI -
Great work. Thank you.
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Jarius Byrd FS
Chris Clemons FS
TJ Ward SS
NT Paul Solai
G Geoff Schwartz
C Johnathon Goodwin
C evan dietrich smith
DE Arthur Jones
DE Linval Joseph
WR Eric Decker
WR Hakeem Nicks
NT Terrance Cody
CB Nolan Caroll
CB Dominque Rogers Cromartie
CB Brandon Browner
CB Captain Munnerlynn
CB Aqib Talib
WR James Jones
CB Tarell Brown
what do you all think ???
I would love for the Colts to get:
Byrd
EDS
Arthur Jones
Solai
Schwartz
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I did a mock again at the simulator. Here's what I got, what do you think?
59 ILB SHAYNE SKOV STANFORD
90 CB STANLEY JEAN- BAPTISTE NEBRASKA
154 DT DEANDRE COLEMAN CALIFORNIA
187 DE AARON LYNCH USF
209 C JAMES STONE TENNESSEE
218 CB RICARDO ALLEN PURDUE
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I thought there was a post I could add this to, but as I didn't find it I'm putting here.
Rip it apart guys.