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Here's what a friend of mine who is a local police officer in that area (not Foxborough) who has been on the force for over 20 years posted elsewhere.
Hello all. I haven't read all the way through this thread nor have I been following this story on the radio/news/wherever outlets but massive speculation has floated my way so wth I'll throw my two cents in.
First off there is no "police cover-up conspiracy" here as I've been told is one of the themes of the day.
Here are a few facts regarding these types of situations to cut through the uninformed nonsense.
1. If Chandler Jones overdosed on a narcotic, the police would consider this a medical matter, not a criminal matter. He would not be charged for a crime. First off, under Mass Law, there is no crime for using illegal drugs, the charge relates to possession of illegal drugs. If Jones had been using illegal pills and used them all then there never would have been a criminal violation in this state. Secondly as of August 2012, MGL 94C-34(a) exempts all OD victims from criminal prosecution regardless of if they were found still in possession of an illegal narcotic.
2. So if Jones had overdosed on an illegal substance, and he didn't possess any more, he would not have committed a prosecutable crime. If he still possessed quantities of the the narcotic or other narcotics, then he also would not have committed a prosecutable offense under Mass Law.
3. There would be nothing to charge him with. There's no need to cover up anything to shield him from prosecution when he hasn't committed a crime.
4. The police are not "covering up" because they entered his house without a warrant. There was no crime, they were not investigating him for a crime. Under the well established "Community Caretaking" exception to the warrant requirement police can and often do enter homes without warrants. In this case they checked his house because he left it unsecure. Once it was checked they secured it and left. They do not need a warrant, consent, or exigent circumstances to do this. Once again there is nothing to cover up in this regard.
5. Medical/mental health/drug abuse records are well established exceptions to the Massachusetts Public Records Law specifically under section C the Privacy Exception. This is why the Foxboro Chief denied having contact with Jones. The chief obviously doesn't really understand how that exception works so now he comes off as covering something up rather than simply coming off as a buffoon but such is life.
6. Under the privacy exception, the chief simply could have refused to release any information citing medical privilege. That's what the law requires not pretending there was no medical simply acknowledge there was an incident the details to which will be withheld due to the privacy exception of the Mass Public Records Law. Done.
7. This means that no reports, radio transmissions or video related to this incident are subject to release by the police department. No crime was committed meaning none of these things are evidence and as such are not subject to any legal process for release. The only way that tape can be released is if it's leaked or if a judicial order is issued to release it which is highly doubtful.
8. Regarding the radio transmission where an officer states there was Class D in Jones' residence, "Class D" is Marijuana, no ifs ands or buts. That's what it is in Mass police lingo. 100%.
9. The fact the cop didn't place Jones under arrest for possessing MJ wasn't because he didn't have a warrant, he didn't need one in the first place. He was in the home under the warrant exception and observed MJ in plain view. Ten years ago this would have been an arrestable offense under the circumstances. It is not arrestable today.
10. The fact he didn't arrest Jones wasn't because he's covering up for the team, he had no right to arrest Jones under MGL in the first place.
11. Even if the law on overdoses hadn't passed, the officer still couldn't arrest Jones for possessing the marijuana he observed in the residence. Under current Mass Law, only quantities of MJ weighing more than an ounce are illegal to possess unless there's evidence of distribution which doesn't appear to be the case here. The possession of smaller amounts of MJ is not illegal hence people who possess smaller amounts are not subject to arrest or any kind of prosecution.
12. Jones' involvement with the Foxboro Police regarding this matter is over. There will be no investigation, no follow-up no charges, no cover-ups no anything.
13. These things are obviously confusing as the laws have changed dramatically in recent years and even many police officers are not fully up to date but this is where things stand. -
49 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:
Never heard of anyone ODing on weed
As mentioned above, apparently the synthetic stuff can make you feel like you're ODing.
Not a fan of such a decision. I'm pretty sure that he'll be hitting the open market in the offseason .
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8 hours ago, Superman said:
Probably. They've been talking about rotating the Combine for a few years now. They're trying to build an NFL sports, media and entertainment compound in LA. They'll eventually be hosting the Combine and the draft, and probably NFL Honors, and a bunch of other stuff.
Maybe they'll continue rotating some of these events.
Sucks because Indy has been great for the Combine. Would think that the city would get another SB if the league moves the Combine.
I thought that a main reason for the combine being in Indy was because the local medical infrastructure had been trained well to work with the athletes. Why change something that isn't broken?
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1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:
I've never been on patriots planet. There are other ways of getting information without going there. The pathetic thing is thinking one thing but being 2 faced and saying another
You posted a direct quote from PP. We all know it.
What makes it even more amusing is that the poster's name wasn't Am's.
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5 minutes ago, csmopar said:
Im not going to debate the deflategate thing again. We all know the Patriots cheated. Who cares at this point.
Besides, if I'm a pats fan, I'd be much more concerned with the fact our stud TE is doping up.......
LOL.
Gronk was in Florida.
Nice try.
And science has already vindicated the Patriots. Most non-Colt fans already know that.
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3 minutes ago, csmopar said:
Karma from telling the truth?
Well ok.
But
A losing season is better than having our coach trying to impersonate Monica with the star qb playing the role of the reciever...... Tom Brady must be getting old though, his accuracy was off and Hoodie caught it in his eye
Actually, it was proven that the Colts lied several times, from Pagano to Grigson. But if you don't know the story, that's fine.
or, it could be from Irsay's various misdeeds.
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1 hour ago, amfootball said:
You should see the other guy.
And the Pats obsession continues. I love it!
I know. It's hilarious.
Its also hilarious how Jvan and others stalk people on PP.
Wait, that's sad, not hilarious.
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10 hours ago, csmopar said:
This is what happens when you lie, steal and cheat others....KARMA smacks you in the face. May have gotten away with the NFL, but Karma always gets even.....
Looks like the Colts paid even more of a Karma payback, eh?
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11 hours ago, jvan1973 said:
He was deflating a football when he lost control. It started flying around the room like a balloon and cracked him in the eye AL jazeera just released the story
It's so cute how ignorant people are about AJ-A. You know, that Peabody award winning organization.
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With a blow to the head like that, it's hard to tell. I don't necessarily buy Pacman's claim that Briwn winked at him.
If Briwn is practicing tomorrow , then I'd say that the hit wasn't that bad (for fairly obvious reasons).
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He easily could have avoided that hit, as Teddy Bruschi stated yesterday.
And the suspension wasn't just for the hit, it was for all of his actions throughout the game .
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40 minutes ago, Archer said:
I'm pretty surprisedby the -5 pt spread for NE. I expected about a 2 pt spread in favor of NE, because Foxborough has a pretty good home field playoff advantage (what with those lockerroom microphones, hidden sideline cams, and sunken ball heating stations), but 5 seems ridiculously high. If I were a betting man, I'd have a lot of money on the team that has won 11 in a row and has great pass-rushers, vs. the team that's lost four of their last six and has a terrible OL. I'm just sayin'...
Except that Vollmer will be back.
And Edelman.
And Chandler Jones.
And Hightower.
Maclin may not play, or if he does, he'll play with a bad high ankle sprain.
Houston is injured.
With Maclin out, who will make big plays for the Chiefs?
Patriots by 10+.
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19 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:
Chiefs are about to give me a beautiful present
and My SB pick the Broncos are getting ready to steamroll the Steelers.
Question:. How will the Chiefs score 28+ without Maclin?
I honestly do not see the Chiefs scoring much. Hightower will be back, the Patriots' secondary will be completely happy, as will Chandler Jones.
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Edelman has been practicing for three weeks now. I expect that he'll have gauged what he can and cannot do, and will be fine. That's my hope.
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3 minutes ago, amfootball said:
He did not spear as the runner was up right and they both lowered than heads and made contact. Spearing is called when the player is on the ground and defender leads with helmet to hit him.
And this really is the issue the NFL has with head hits. They happen and will happen no matter how many rules you put in place.
No, that's not what spearing is:
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nfl/spearing.aspx
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3 minutes ago, amfootball said:
Shazier hit was legal because the Cincy receiver caught the ball and turned and became a runner. He was no longer defenseless so helmet contact can be made. Brown was defenseless as he did not have the ball when his head was hit. Both plays were called correctly by the refs.
The Shazier hit should have been spearing , in my opinion.
Or is that not a penalty anymore? Not sure.
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7 hours ago, Michigan_Colts_Fan said:
At least the Bengals coaching staff isn't knuckleheads like their players. That's more than you can say for the Steelers. Munchak and Porter need to be suspended for the rest of the playoffs. Coaches are supposed to defuse situations not escalate them, but both of those guys still think they're players and try to stir things up more. Absolutely despicable for a coaching staff to behave like that too.
I agree to a degree, but Lewis should have yanked Burfict (sp.?) for his idiocy throughout the game.
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5 hours ago, OffensivelyPC said:
No, don't discard them. Just act like playing on a torn plantar fascia is no different than playing healthy.
Except that there's no proof that Peyton was even injured through his first 6-7 games or so. Not even on the injury report for his foot .
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5 hours ago, Traines said:
Either you are joking, or you are Osweiler's relative to say something so ridiculous
Why? Peyton STILL leads the NFL in INTs.
He was one of the two worst QBs in the NFL this season.
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1 hour ago, 21isSuperman said:
There won't be any questions about the legitimacy of Peyton's records.
There already is. And it's spreading.
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Marvin definitely deserves it. The other two do not .
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1 hour ago, bababooey said:
You're right he should just leave his wife for a supermodel instead.
... What are you even talking about? Brady has only married once.
Swing and a miss!
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2 hours ago, ColtRider said:
I'll take Peyton Manning's word. Never, ever, have known him to lie or fabricate anything. The man tells it like it is. Until I see 100% unequivocal proof of wrongdoing, I take him at his word. The fact that Al-Jazeera has recanted parts of their story regarding Peyton tells me something is array.
Fishing without a pole means noodling. Fishing without fish is just plain ridiculous.
I can think of a particular issue that he lied about and then was taken to court for that lie.. And then paid that person for his dishonesty.
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2 hours ago, HiltonTD said:
So did a lot of big name athletes like Clemens. All of them came out with adamant denials, saying how they were disgusted with the report and all of them had their PEDs shipped to their wives and tried to hide behind HIPPA privacy to avoid being caught
There has been a 2nd source confirming this now and it's still being talked about. As far as circumstantial evidence is concerned, it's pretty shady that Manning had like 4 neck surgeries that could have been career ending, the injury was so significant that the Colts cut him from the team.
At the same time Manning is recovering from a horrific, potentially career ending neck injury, his wife starts to visit this sports place in Indy and starts having HGH illegally prescribed and shipped to her in Florida? While Manning is going literally around the world seeking treatments that were illegal or unavailable in the US.
Then Manning makes a miraculous recovery and goes on to break the single season TD record again?
Sorry, but this story seems very fishy to me, and then fact that the guy was on tape admitting to all of this in what he thought was a private, discrete meeting is evidence as well. Him retracting his story later proves that he was lying either before or after the story came out... and considering Manning and his team immediately went and got a former Whitehouse PR pro, and his team of lawyers probably threatened this guy and made him poop hid pants.. its reasonable to assume he was telling the truth on camera where he had no reasons to lie, especially about how specific he was on several athletes in the NFL and MLB being involved and was then intimidated and retracted his story out of fear
I keep telling myself there is no way he would use PEDS, but the more I think about the facts surrounding this and how they never denied his wife receiving this stuffm.. I dunno.... This whole thing puts an ominous cloud over Manning's 2012 record breaking campaign in my opinion
Amen.
Peyton's denials are just like Roger Clemens. Exactly the same.
and My SB pick the Broncos are getting ready to steamroll the Steelers.
Foxborough police may have violated public records law in Chandler Jones' medical emergency
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ROFL.
First of all, geography lessons are needed. Neither are Boston cops; not even close, in fact.
Second of all, this friend is one of the best human beings I've ever met. He tells things the way that they are .
Read his post. It's full of FACTS, not conjecture. He knows what he's talking about.