ColtStrong2013

we’re all on the clock if you want to get real deep…

I found it earlier- it wasn’t all time, it was over the past several drafts. 4 I think. Said there 10 that he projects will be starters during their rookie contracts. if we can get a mid to late round center to add and compete with French, I wouldn’t be upset. That’s a low risk, high reward pick to add depth and potential future center that times with whatever Kelly does.

I know what the sites say. I can’t find the guy that posted it, but his point was he extensively reviews o-line each year, and said there’s ten or so that are better than what ranked. Implying that the draft is either going to have value at the position or be far different than what the mock’s are showing (which we already knew to be the case.)

I know what he said recently. There’s a reason he was asked that… https://www.stampedeblue.com/2023/12/9/23994923/nfl-culture-shift-player-safety-ryan-kelly-perspective These are the comments I’m referring to. He’s had concussion problems. One more and I think he’ll hang it up. And I wouldn’t blame him one bit. Even then, drafting a center/guard that can add depth and develop under him for a few years (even if 3-4) would seem smart instead of getting caught with another surprise retirement.

I’ll be the first to apologize. The football talk on this forum lately has not been up to standard across the board. It’s been too much bickering and not enough football talk. I guess you’ve been the easy target to poke at, and it’s not fair to you.

if Paul wins or loses, he still wins because all he cares about is the money he’s making…

Read a bit earlier that this is the strongest center class ever. Upwards of 10 identified that can start at some point this season. I wouldn’t be upset to utilize a mid round on one of them if possible. Life after Kelly has to be looked at seriously, and French isn’t it to me. Maybe they feel differently, but if we can find a versatile center/guard to stack and develop behind Kelly, I would do it. Based on his comments, I don’t feel he has much more to give, especially with those baby boys at home now.

I agree with you in that elite edge rushers are hard to find and that they don’t always mean success as a team. When looking at the chiefs, I think you mentioned them earlier, they don’t have an elite edge rusher, but they do make consistent investments into the position. Back to back 1st round draft picks the last two years (I like karlaftis as he is a Purdue boy) and a 2 year $16 million dollar deal for omenihu. That’s after paying $77 million to Frank Clark and bringing vets in like Carlos Dunlap for several million. So the investments have been there. I think the focus should be exactly that. Consistent investment, keeping guys coming in the pipeline. That often means 1st round picks. I wouldn’t be surprised or upset if we went with one at 15, if they are there.

He started this entire convo out of thin air…

Dont engage man. It’s not going anywhere you think it is…

Nah- that’s just what you want me to say to fit your weird agenda…

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gstarek Greg Starek - Director of Football Analytics - Indianapolis Colts | LinkedIn San Francisco Giants Data Scientist Aug 2019 - Dec 2021 2 years 5 months + Built predictive and descriptive models to aid in player evaluation at scale + Led development of new biomechanics software and data pipeline, transforming raw data into actionable insights + Built API to enable easy, seamless interaction with complex motion capture data + Optimized performance of computational tasks with GCP infrastructure + Created web dashboard to democratize access to data for all stakeholders (front office, coaches, analysts)

It's data... This team is so centered around data now. Every team and multi-billion dollar company is. The more data, the better. You want inputs, from all over. You want measurables. You want commentary. You want stats. How many different sets of eyes can be put on a certain aspect, so that nothing gets missed in the collection of data? And then when it's sifted through and organized, you have a very clear picture to build a strategy around.

I thought there were reports that Ballard specifically urged against Saturday as the interim, when there were capable people already on staff. That was all I remember. I don't think he led the charge at all. But why does that matter? What would have been done differently if we lost the same amount of games with Frank and he was fired at the season's end? Or are you suggesting Frank would have kept them from drafting at #4. I can understand that... But there would have no difference otherwise. Frank was done. They would have conducted the same interview process in the offseason.

I don't think I do see your logic. It's not * for tat. Most people that blame Frank believe he was more to blame than Ballard. If the same roster construction aside from a few new HC influenced players make the difference between a miserable 4 win season and being a couple plays away from a division title, I think that speaks more to the coaching than it does to the roster makeup/General manager. If we are successful in the future, then I will credit Shane for being a necessary change and bringing a winning culture to the locker room. I already think he's done that, like I said. If we have future success utilizing the processes that everyone complains hard on Ballard about, then I will credit Ballard for sticking to his principles and making the necessary changes (including hiring Shane Steichen and drafting AR)... It's not * for tat.

I will absolutely give a lot of credit to Steichen. and btw- Irsay wasn’t involved really at all in Steichen’s hire. His daughters were. But they let Chris drive it. Frank was a last minute makeshift that worked out initially better than anyone expected. He was recommended by Irsay, Polian, etc. I’m not an exclusive Frank blamer. I admit that Ballard was a major part of the equation to not solve the qb issue. I don’t think Frank was a good development coach and that he lost the locker room with Wentz and accountability. The pendulum swung hard the other way when we hired Steichen. I think Steichen is a better coach. I think coaches can grow, just like I think players and executives can grow. This organization is banking on that, which is why Frank needed to be gone at the end of 2022. He was clearly not growing nor leading the team in the right direction. What point are you trying to make Doug? This was my initial response before you started throwing percentages at me to throw darts at like I'm Chris Ballard on draft day... I said I'm not an exclusive Frank blamer. I blame him more for losing the locker room, and not being a great coach, more than vouching for Wentz (that's not me clearing Ballard for the qb woes.) I think Steichen's a better coach, and it showed last year. There weren't a whole of roster moves made, and Steichen did more offensively (and the same wins/situation) with less than Frank had. He didn't have a defense leading the league in turnovers, he didn't have the league leading rusher. He had the locker room (and a lot of fans, contrary to what the Ballard haters online say,) believing in the franchise again. That's all.

It could. I still don't know why that matters to what I initially said, outside of baiting me into whatever point you want to make. What point are you trying to make?

I didn’t say they wouldn’t. I just said they could play the same qb shuffle. They could draft a player to replace him. And that player could be like the majority of qb’s coming into the league and not lead them anywhere. They could shuffle to a vet, or to another draft pick. And again and again, wishing they still had their franchise qb that they were building around. It’s all hypothetical. It’s just funny that Caserio gets all this credit, when several teams were inquiring about #1 and they chose to sit put at #2. They lucked into CJ Stroud. They didn’t know it was going to the panthers passing them and preferring little man. They just took a gamble so they didn’t have to do it for Stroud… or- they were content with whoever was left if Stroud went #1. Nobody wants to talk about that. It’s chosen to be ignored while propping him up.

the question is the issue. It’s the way you want the conversation to go, which is irrelevant to anything I said in the first place. You created a strawman and want me to engage with it. I’m not. I don’t know who has more influence and it’s making me laugh that you expect me to guess a percentage of influence? What…? 😂 They both had/have influence. I don’t know who had more. I don’t know if Shane influenced Richardson as much as Reich did Wentz. I have no idea. There’s zero way to know that. You want me to make a claim that doesn’t matter, except in whatever weird agenda you have for me to engage with, and is impossible to even form an opinion on.

Offensively, probably on every player that was drafted. That doesn't mean they are telling who they want and Ballard and co. are just going along with it. That means they are working together, and telling the HC who they are targeting and the strategy behind the board stacking, and asking for input on those players... Hence, the offensive minded/playcalling head coach likely influences the way the board is ultimately stacked. It's just another data input to factor. Regarding qb's, you've identified a few teams out of many that have had success. Purdy is an anomaly, and if it were that easy, then we wouldn't be starting at 3 top qbs each year in the draft. We wouldn't be watching teams shuffle qb's the same way. I saw enough with CJ Stroud last season to know that that team doesn't win half the games they did without him, including the last one with the division on the line. Garapolo? the guy that was groomed behind Tom Brady? Yeah, he had success on a good roster. Hurts? The guy that plays for a team that won a superbowl with a backup qb... Yeah, he's had success. Dak? The guy that throws for mvp numbers? How convenient to throw a few successful qbs out of many to imply that Houston would do the same. Sure, they could... Would they? Very unlikely

i’m not sure I’d take a million to do it once… there’s probably a dollar amount that I’d suck it up for. But my wife nagging me for the rest of my life wouldn’t even pressure me to do that for a large sum of money.

Im the same way with heights. Even in a building. I blame 9/11, as I was relatively young and seeing people hanging out/jumping out of the building still haunts me. If I see window cleaners, even harnessed in, cleaning windows on a building, I get nauseous. One of my good friends is an expert in skydiving. I would never… could not. I can’t even get on my roof without being physically sick. It’s something I don’t think I’ll ever shake. Have no problem flying though, which is so strange.

I wouldn’t categorize it as a lack of focus. He just didn’t hit. He focused on Qb, LT, receiver, corner, defensive end. He invested in multiple free agent edge rushers, a 1st round pick and what, four 2nd round picks? We just haven’t had a long term one stick, although Ebukam looked pretty good. We need Dayo or Paye to elevate and get a long term deal here. Buckner was a good trade, especially at the time when the defense was considered driven by the 3 tech. I think a lot of teams are putting a high value on the position. I think it’s obvious some are angry about Sneed. We don’t exactly have all the details on that and if we ever truly entertained it for sure. Who is to say there isn’t another negotiation going on currently? Perhaps after the draft, good players will become available. We didn’t get Gilmore until just before the draft.