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One thing I can say is this Denver O-line is a better pass protecting O-line than run blocking one and the matchups have to be right to run against the better AFC teams. Ravens and Steelers along with Patriots are harder units to run against, so it will be on Peyton's arm eventually thus requiring the Denver D to make more plays in the playoffs to give Peyton's arm some room for error.
Compared to the Colts era, the aggressive nature of the Denver D with all players healthy is the biggest X factor that will decide Denver's fate in the playoffs, even if it is opportunistic plays.
compared with Colts era Denver surrounds Manning with more talents on offense. Players like Clark and Stokley are made into stars by Manning while D Thomas and Decker were already playmakers even when Tebow was the QB. Not to mention the Colts OL after 07 declined into mediocre.
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it was because of his 11 for 19 start , QBR was in low 70's , 2nd half mid 90's some show said so average for game total was what u say, at least 141.1 QB rating, just that bad completion % from game start but averaged over 10 yards per attempt
Did u hear Peytons routine precisely X minutes of pregame team warm ups and x minutes of nothing before game starts, 3 game delays and 3 times making a team prayer and about to go out but called back, well just threw things off, he wasnt saying that was why they were rusty in first half but what a routine each & every game. I am one putting the routine in with the delay as saying rust a possibility till shook it off
He did miss several throws and 3rd down conversions that he could have made when he's in mid-season form. D Thomas only figured it out in the 2nd half and Decker was dreaming all night. Still this team was too talented to lose.
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Peyton only scored an 83.61 QBR last night. Which is worse than last season. So his performance last night was worse than his average game last season.
What is wrong with that system? I really want to know the formula...
His completion percentage was low last night. Although there are many big plays, the passing game did not look as smooth as it used to be at the end of last season, and it took them the entire 1st half to find some rhythm. Still they had many 3-and-outs in the 2nd half that they could have moved the ball forward and controlled the clock. Also Manning missed D Thomas many times which he should generally connect. Clearly this offense was not clicking at all cylinders but it was only the 1st game of the season.
The scary thing is this is perhaps a 70% of what they are really capable of doing and it is already 7 TDs a game.
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Peter King with some insight:
I agree with the first, not so much with the second. The Steelers are thin at receiver, but I don't believe in Sanders as a full time starter. Brandon Lloyd is still available, Ramses Barden is very talented, Braylon Edwards is still out there, and there are several second/third round receiver prospects in the draft. If I were the Steelers, I'd have rather had the pick, and they could have drafted Robert Woods (not with that pick, but still) and signed a vet, and probably been better off. Maybe they still will do just that, but I value the pick more than Sanders potential. I actually like DHB better than Sanders, for basically the same money. I think this might have come down to keeping Roethlisberger from blowing up again. They got rid of his coordinator last year, he lost a receiver this year already... might have been a meltdown this time.
Back to the first point, if the Patriots actually wanted Sanders, why such a low level offer? That's not what you typically see with an RFA offer sheet; it's usually a multi year deal. If they wanted a one year receiver, why not DHB? Or one of the other players I mentioned above? And why did they want Sanders in the first place? They've filled out their corps pretty nicely. Adding Sanders would be a positive, but not really.
Just a weird situation all the way around, like neither team really wanted the player all that much.
Totally agree with you on the first point and looks like Pats are making a bunch of cheap moves on the WR position, starting from low-balling Welker, getting rid of Lyold to save about $1M, and now kinda attempting to get Sanders. As their TEs are both not very accountable and Amendola has been known for injury issues they will pay for the decisions they made. Donald Jones may be their best when the season ends.
But for the potential of Sanders I think he is fully capable of being a very solid starter, say better than any WRs on the current Pats roster. He runs a 4.4s 40 and has known the offense very well. Only problems he is 5'11" and did not have a chance to show what he really could do. Remember when Wallace came out he was also from nowhere and people were questioning Steelers letting Holmes go. Not a problem Wallace did even better.
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Could bad maths lead to some of his interceptions? Say he told the receiver to run a 7 yard and turn to the outside and run for another 8 but he added to 13 in total?
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I think the fact that the Pats were willing to give up a third for this guy tells you that they don't think much of this draft. The Pats generally hold on to their high picks and this season they only have 5 to being with. I assume they will address WR in the draft. Right now they have Jenkins and Branch on the outside. Not good.
I liked Sanders and was hoping they would get him. I am surprised the Steelers matched as he will be a FA next year and they won't getting anything for him but maybe they too think this draft is weak and would rather keep the player.
Pats do not have a good track record of drafting WRs so I think a 3rd rounder for Sanders was a low-risk trade for Pats. But Steelers are down to Antonio Brown alone so they are less willing to let go of Sanders. It was a trade that was unlikely to happen anyway.
Kinda curious who Pats are going to draft or sign. Maybe they should let Lyold come back at a discounted price.
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That's a good reason. Those extra three days kind of turn into a mini bye week. But then the Ravens can't really play the victim here. Sunday night is a viable option if you want your city to get a primetime home opener.
considering their team is going to be weak this season, opening on the road at Denver could give them good excuse for losing. If they open the season at home and lose to the Pats it could hurt even more.
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Jewish holiday. They called that a non starter (which is weird, because the NFL plays games on so-called American and Christian holidays, but whatever).
I don't know why they're sending them on the road, though. Just make them the Sunday night game, that way the city and the fans get the home opener in primetime in Week 1. Maybe I'm missing something...
John Harbaugh refused to play on Sunday since he wanted his team to have a long week after the first game. By law NFL cannot play games on other weekdays and Saturday due to confilict with college games.
Anyway it is just a decade of "tradition" to have the defending champ starte the season at home. Not a huge deal though.
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Anyway. Manning used to drive to Ohio State to work out with Anthony Gonzalez but where is he playing now? No matter how good a receiver is if he cannot stay healthy he is not going to be relavent. Amendola's problem has never been anything but health.
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Another way of adding to the very good posts by MAC and by 21isSuperman is this....
If everyone is simply wearing shots and t-shirt, then it's the closest you're going to get to an apples to apples comparison.
For example, the equipment for a lineman is much bigger, bulkier, and heavier than the equipment for a WR....
So, let's simply strip it down and simply test their athletic ability.... there are many other opportunities to grade them out in full pads and equipment....
Still..... a very good question....
If all are wearing equipment it may not be apple-to-apple but it is still orange-to-orange: there is nothing unfair.
And you don't compare WR with OL. Instead you compare WR with pads with another WR with pads. Still a good comparison.
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Agree with OP. Say if one player is thin and can run extremely quickly without pads but decomes very ordinary with all equipment due to the added weight, what really matters is still his performance with all pads on.
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I think like 4 years Back its a Manning bowl in NY
If it ends up with Ravens on the road at Steelers, Manning bowl will be the Sunday Night opener.
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Yep, would be a guaranteed first win for the Broncos if it does happen.
But still prefer to have Ravens VS. Steelers. I think Ravens will collapse in 2013 and hope when they are playing Broncos they already have nothing to play for. To open the season they might still have some pride and could generate some noise.
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AFC south RBs watch out! Nice Colts don't run that much.
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Patriots v.s. Ravens. NFL would love that rematch.
No they are going to play on the road. Likely Broncos, but not necessarily a bad thing for Broncos since this group of Ravens will be much worse.
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I'm still pretty ticked off as a fan, but am reserving any final judgements until free agency and the draft are over. There's some speculation that the Patriots are working on something "big." Like, in terms of a trade. But it's just that. Speculation.
Still... I will give this a chance. If losing Welker means they're going to vastly improve the secondary, for instance, this will be easier to accept/take. In trying to find ways to justify this over the past couple of days, the following thoughts have passed through my mostly empty head:
- There has to be more to the offseason plan that Welker is not part of. Are they going back to the two-TE-centric sets they used last year, before Hernandez and Gronk were injured? And if so, what makes anyone believe both of those guys can stay healthy for 16+ games?
- On the upside for Patriots fans, as productive as Welker has been, and as much as the Patriots have dominated in the regular season, the team as it's currently constituted has not been good enough to win a Super Bowl. It could be that their style of offense is harder to execute against solid defensive teams you see in the playoffs. Perhaps this is indicative of a change in offensive philosophy a little. Or maybe they're going to run the ball even more than last year, which was the best Patriots running game since the days of Corey Dillon. They just signed Leon Washington, primarily as a return guy, but that would support the notion that there will be even more of an emphasis on the ground game.
If they let go of Welker to sign a guy like Megatron I can see they have a plan. But instead they only take his money to pay a similar WR in Amendola with a much higher injury risk. Also this shows they are not goiing to change the offensive scheme.
The key is Pats for all these yrs do not want any player to dominate a contract negotiation. Just don't want Welker to get want he asks for.
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This is the situation the Pats are NOT in (see below) because Brady signed a 50 percent undermarket extension, guaranteed or not, his cap hit is 11M compared to Manning's 20M.
Dumervil had 11 sacks last season, second on the team behind Von Miller. Dumervil led the league with 17 sacks in 2009.
The Broncos need more cap space while trying to shore up their interior defensive line, cornerback and running back positions. Peyton Manning will earn $20 million in 2013, and if the Broncos had Dumervil play at his current number, those two would account for more than one-quarter of their cap space.
In this department of helping the team I agree that Brady has done more than Manning. But I bet he would rather have 2M of his saved salary sent to Welker to keep him. Also the signing of leon washington together with Amendola is just to fill the single hole Welker left.
I want to see Dumervil stay since Denver's weakness is on the defensive side and it is generally the weakness determining the playoff faith. No matter how much they improve on offense, a leaking defense is going to fail them the way they lost to Ravens last season. Still they just lost because 3 bad secondary plays, while Pats looked completely flat in the entire 2nd half. Comparing the 2 Denver is still in better shape.
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Talib will be a desperate signing considering his injury history. Same goes to Amendola. Too much risk.
Yes this is a very good system and it marks things up very well in regular seasons. But you may have to agree with me that the playoff loss to Ravens exposed all the weakness of the team and the most important one is lack of talents.
And the same goes to the old Colts under Bill Polian. They just believed they can find gems from unsigned free agents and let Manning turn them into gold. The 2009 team reached the SB but the talent level was a huge decline from 06. Sometimes elite QBs can help a weak team go to the SB but to win that big one they still need talented teammates. You may notice the latest Pats team share a lot of similarities with the version of Colts team before Manning went down in 2011.
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Come on now. Pats were the best team in the AFC the years they made the SB. Coulda, woulda, shoulda's are just that. Excuses.
They loss both SBs to the Giants by a combined 7 points - hardly a sweep given a play here or there and they would have won both.
Have you watched the Pats offense? Besides Gronk, Hernandez is a game changer along with Woodhead and of course Welker, now Amendola. I mean you don't need a Calvin Johnson or AP type player at every position just solid guys that can play in one of the most complex systems in the NFL. I mean they have never been a star studded team by ESPNs standards anyway. Brady won all his SBs with not one HoF at the offensive skill position. That is the way they roll - soild guys 1-53 with some stars like Brady, Wilfork, Gronk, Hernandez sprinkled in.
I agree about the secondary. Not a strength but I like McCourtney at safety and hopefully they sign Talib. That alone will go a long way.
Talib will be a desperate signing considering his injury history. Same goes to Amendola. Too much risk.
Yes this is a very good system and it marks things up very well in regular seasons. But you may have to agree with me that the playoff loss to Ravens exposed all the weakness of the team and the most important one is lack of talents.
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In 2010 10 sacks in 2011 8.5 sacks in 2012 5 sacks he was already declining in 2009 13.5 sacks so it wasnt last year it was the last 3.And his Total tackles 2010 25 2011 19 2012 12
So you see the numbers started to drop in 2010? Exactly my explanation to the situations he faced. I bet he could still post big numbers with Manning at Broncos, but he has always been a liability in run defense.
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You do realize the year he got Albert and Chad they made to the SB and were a Welker drop from a ring? I mean two players in a labor shortened off-season hardly reflect poorly on his overall resume. What about his successes especially in the draft the past couple of years - stud TEs, solid RBs, two defensive studs last year with Jones and Hightower. How about stealing Woodhead from the Jets and Ballard from the Giants too. The fact is the guy knows how to build the best team players 1-53. He rarely goes out and get the stars but finds solid guys that can do multiple things well. Remember too he was the one that institued the spread offense and the ultra hurry up this past year.
The yr Pats made the SB which other team in AFC was good enough to challege them? The entire AFC was down that yr, still Ravens almost kicked Pats out of the playoff at Foxboro. Including SB, that Pats team was swept by Giants team which finished the season 9-7.
For these TEs, RBs, and LBs, which of them other than Gronk are game changers? They might be great value picks but BB still didn't hit a game changer. And plz dont forget all the failed efforts to address the big hole in the seondary over these yrs. How many draft picks have you wasted on CBs and safties that never panned out?
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it was OK to let go of offensive players and some defensive players by Pats since the old Pats team was built on a solid core of defensive players. Now it is build upon Brady's passing game so the bad effect will have larger impact and let Pats pay.
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he had already started to decline before last year so did you miss the part of old and declining or did you just think in 3-4?He has declined even in 4-3 and is absolutely worthless in 3-4
He was not necessarily declining but he was definitely a one-dimensional 4-3 DE. Only shining in 3rd-and-long situations, his numbers declined in 2010 when Manning struggled to give team big leads, in 2011 the team were always trailing, and in 2012 the team switched to 3-4. He does only one thing extremely well but that is still only one thing that he does.
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This article is well worth the read on Belichick's history in regards to knowing when it is time to move on from a player. The author makes some interesting comparisons too about when the Pats first signed Welker and the type of player he was vs. Amendola and their injury histories which are more similar than peole realize.
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9051254/bill-barnwell-second-day-nfl-free-agency
I know BB was great but look at his recent personnel decisions I find very few success - Big Albert and Chad Johnson all failed, and the secondary he found for the team had no player better than the one he got rid of, e.g. Samuel.
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Colts against an angry 49ers, could be ugly very quickly.