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Tobin did an excellent job...r.i.p

https://www.nfl.com/news/bill-tobin-longtime-nfl-executive-dies-at-age-83 He drafted some all time great players like Harrison, and of course is famous for his verbal match with Mel Kiper. RIP!

Then begs the question. Do u want to say draft a MJH at 4 and turn around in 4 years or would u say draft Turner and pay him 30mill in 4 years? All day every day for the franchise rush end. I am not a big believer in 30 mill for a wr. Reid is a fantastic coach and look what he did with Hill.

I literally just posted that clip, it's where the conversation about QBs started.

Funny you brought this up. I just listened to an interview Ballard did today with Rich Eisen. He asked him if he has given any thought on how many quarterbacks will be taken before our pick and how many does he think. He said sure we go through those evaluations. It helps us with for planning purposes. He asked him how many. 4 or 5 or 6? He laughed out loud at 6. He said Rich if it’s 6 we will be so excited. Let’s hope so. He also said the draft board is not yet set. Won’t be until the night before the draft. He also said he has had multiple conversations with other GM’s concerning the draft. Preparing themselves for opportunities that could take place. And they will continue up until the draft starts. He said trade conversations won’t really materialize until you are within three picks of any trade. Giving you time to finalize it. Interesting interview. Oh he pretty much ruled out moving up for Harrison. Going up into the top of the draft would be very costly for him he said. Thinks he’s a great talent but he thinks he’s pretty much out of our reach.

I personally wouldn’t touch Williams with a 10 foot pole. He seems like a distraction and cancerous. He may be Uber talented but I don’t feel like he is a winner, and don’t feel like his heart is in it. I think he gets the bag and just sets it on cruise control. There is absolutely nothing to base this off of aside from my gut feeling. Maye Daniels Penix Nix McCarthy Maye is your prototype passer and I think his deficiencies are easily fixed with good coaching. Daniels seems the most limited to me, proficient and will be very dependent on where he goes. Will always have a soft spot for Penix, he throws such a pretty deep ball. His 40 time should have opened some eyes. Nix is probably the safest pick IMO. I think he’s got the tools to fit nearly any offense. Has the athleticism, arm talent and I think he’s got the between the ears to excel in most offenses. I see the appeal with McCarthy, he was as unselfish as they come allowing the run game to shine instead of checking to pass plays. I think his ceiling is a solid game manager.

I'd imagine he's going bald. Most men his age usually are when they start sporting the caps 24/7.

Did I say something dumb? Maybe give reasons why one should trust and agree with Ballard's team building philosophy going into his 8th season. He's been pretty average to, dare I say it, below average so far into his tenure.

Huh? Lol

I think there is a pretty good chance that (5) QBs go before #15. (4) is 100%, imo. Would be crazy if (6) went in top 13. There is quite a few teams on the prowl though, so you never know.

I've been saying, I won't be shocked if WR (outside of the elite of the elite) starts to become like RB. Teams draft them and let them walk after the first contract. These guys are so good coming out of college these days. It seems every year you can draft a guy in the 3rd round that will have 1000 yards a year.

his reaction to 5, but specifically 6 qbs going through 15 tells me they have 8 or 9 guys they consider premium players. go back to 2018 draft and he identified premium players as game changing, teams game planning against through the week players. And identified 8 non qb players that year, obviously Q being one of them. I think about those comments a lot, especially when he traded away for Buck. I say there is 8- possibly 9 premium non qb players on the colts board. If one is there at 15, that’s who they take. If not, you can bet it’s a trade back.

good interview with Rich Eisen today. Talks about fantasy world of getting Harrison.

Do u ever get there is any sense of urgency with Ballard when he speaks bout the team? I hear a lot of I think they should. He just comes across like a guy who feels that he is safe as long as Irsay is the owner. Smooth talker, I guess, and I tire of the soft ball questions from the media. Your team was like at the bottom of the league and that was against horrendous qb play. Your 2nd round pick corner couldn't stay healthy. Your other corners are late round picks and one coming back from serious injury. I know it's a presser and he can't give it away but man, you would think his defense is just peachy. I honestly think this D needs so much work both schematically and on the talent side. I do think listening to him, he will trade back. I think that the guys that he really covets will be gone or way too expensive. The top 3 wrs will be gone as will be Bowers. Mitchell is probably not his guy the Dends will go fast. There might be a guy at say 12 but I think he won't pill the trigger and say give up a 2nd or 3r rounder.

I see most of this forum is fine with Ballard doing what Ballard's always done. So I'll just remind everybody that he is 54-60-1 and he doesn't have the QB excuse anymore. If he thinks that playing conservative with trading back for more picks and the cap are always the way to go, then I just hope the fan base, and Irsay especially, make no excuses for how those picks work out (and how the top prospects that he didn't make moves for worked out). It's going to be incredibly easy to compare how his strategy works vs what the Texans and Jags have done in FA this year, and it'll be very easy to follow how MHJ,Nabers,Odunze and Bowers perform.

MJH does not have elite speed. He didn't even run a 40. Nabors has elite speed but not size. Jones would have been a combination of both of them if u picked out their elite traits. Jones was like Calvin Johnson. Just absolute freaks of nature that shouldn't be able to do what they do at that size.

I think u r missing my point. Pick a player that fits and excels in your scheme. Guys like Nabers and MJH are freaks and r not scheme dependant. Think of the Rams. Kupp is good, but they dipped into the draft and amazingly draft another stud because he fits their scheme and does not have elite triats. It is similar to the way they draft corners. They r typical zone corners. U can let one-way if they want to much as u can go back into the draft and hopefully get another in the 2nd. That is my point.

Thanks for trying to get it back on topic. People just can't resist trying to turn every other thread into a Ballard grievance thread. Edit(moved a few over to grievance thread) I thought the same thing on Georgia Defensive players Lassiter and Bullard would be the (2) I would suspect we're most likely, if any. I agree though, don't fit Ballard's profile too well. Probably just used them as a good example, as they do have a great defensive coach and have put a lot of players in the league.

Lmao. Yeah. I know you think you are this great evaluation guy. Look at the numbers.

Having Ballard as your GM is liking living through the cycke of abuse lol He can't really move up because we have to many holes to fill because of his lack luster drafting. So, he prefers to move back to accumulate more pics, hoping he has more of a chance of those pics turning out. Quality over quality. Now that philosophy really isn't worked. So here we are again having holes to fill and unable to move up because we have to move back to correct his erros, which will go on and on lol.

Ballard praised Georgia defensive players and their knowledge of the game. Georgia defensive players in this year's draft, per Scouts Inc (ESPN): Kamari Lassiter, CB, #45 (doesn't fit Ballard's profile for DBs) Javon Bullard, S, #49 (doesn't fit Ballard's profile for safeties) Tykee Smith, S, #97 (not a great fit for Ballard's profile for safeties) Zion Logue, DT, #222 (long, big, not a standout athlete) Jontrey Hunter, LB, #316 (not a great fit from a size standpoint, didn't run)

When did he consult you about who they think is elite?

I have heard one GM who says he thinks LTs and defensive players may go earlier than expected. Interesting ro see who wil Bowers won't be there at 15. He is special if u watch the tape.

If we stay at 15 and pick a player I would expect that player to be one of 19 he graded as a 1st rd talent. The only WR’s I have seen in the top 20 of the entire draft are Harrison, Nabors and Odunze. He can sit and hope if he wants but when he’s that close to possibly getting elite seems like it would be smart to move up and get one of them. And who cares if we have to pay him a big second contract. You should be happy you hit on a pick. You really prefer a role player instead of elite? Because of money. Omg that’s an unbelievable take. I can’t believe it. Wow!