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The Athletic’s last mock has Broncos nabbing Bowers. We take DB Mitchell over WR Thomas and DB Arnold.

Calling my shot. BTJ at 15.

Don’t necessarily disagree, but the room is just ok. Can’t pass on a prospect that could be a potential All-Pro (if he’s what reports say he is).

So that's the dilemma. If you draft Bowers, what do you do with Granson this year? He's set to count $3M against the cap, and I believe this is his contract year, so I don't think a trade could happen, unless its for a 6th rounder or something.

I think Bowers would immediately take Granson's snaps plus some. I don't think Mallory would last on our practice squad - he'd get picked up.

Having olgetree & woods, which are both limited shouldn’t keep you from drafting Bowers. Philly had two good ones for years in goedert & ertz. I wouldn’t count on Jelani for much.

I think that Bowers and Mallory as the Move TEs, and Woods with Ogletree as the Inline TEs, would improve the TE room dramatically from the Granson/Mallory....MAC/Woods/Ogletree room we have now. Probably have to put Mallory on the PS and have Granson on the roster this season though.

Just a friendly reminder, it's fun to be negative (not) and before you post, know your facts. Ballard has been the GM for 7 seasons 2017-2023, not 9.

I'll jump in too. Do you think that MAC, Ogletree, or Woods are good enough blockers? I know that has nothing to do with Bowers, which is probably the reason for the TE discussion, but to me it seems like we might have three TEs assigned to block often whom aren't really all that good at it. JMO. But I know that Ogle and Woods are young.

Don't mind you answering at all - I asked because I wanted the discussion. I just think "very good" is a stretch when it's almost entirely based on hope. I think Granson and Mo are average. Mallory, Ogletree and Woods have upside and have shown a few flashes, but that doesn't make our TE room "very good" in my opinion. Worst case what we've seen from Ogletree, Mallory and Woods is their ceiling (for whatever reason). I hope our young TEs turn out great (don't get me wrong), I'd just like to see it for once instead of basing the team around what we hope. That's also why I absolutely think we need to pick Bowers if he's there at 15.

There’s a bunch of guys I like. DeJean, Pearsall, Quinyon. Latu(if neck good), Bowers... there’s a bunch of others guys I’d be happy with too. I’d love Nabers or Odunze if one drops to trade up range.

I know you did not ask me but I am of the same mind. I think the Colts’ TEs are better than most believe. I like Granson. I think Mallory is a good athlete and can make plays. I know MAC has limitations but I am not anti him like many are. I think Ogletree has real potential. And plus this is without Woods being such an unknown.

Herbert's dead cap hit would roll off before Harbaugh lost his grace period with the fans. It would simply be considered part of the rebuilding years from a team that had the 5th overall draft pick, IMO. The dead cap hit, from a fanbase perspective, is a nonissue, IMO.

How does anyone believe the Bears will draft a WR at 9? They have Allen, Moore, and Kmet for receiving targets. Its mind-blowing to think the Bears would go WR. There's not a chance they will do that.

We should all live in negativity all the time tbh

That seems fair to me, but I'm no expert when it comes to player value. I would probably suck as a general manager because I care too much about the person instead of the position. Being a manager takes a bit of cold heartedness to let people go and to trade lives and families away.

Outside of that, I could've seen Harbaugh doing something like that. Hey you never know? The Broncos took an $85m(something like that) dead cap hit to shed Wilson for no compensation. Would the Chargers actually give it a thought if they could get #11,#23 and 2025 1st to do it? Maybe? Vikings would have to draft for Chargers though and trade made official after June 1st, to be able to make it happen though.

Yeah, always liked Hendrickson, all the way back to his draft. I was putting together some trade packages together, last night, in the #15 pick thread (I think). If by chance they did decided to let him go. What value do you think they would be looking to get back? Think I had 1 with Bengals getting back #31 pick value, and another around #40.

Obviously you have not been impressed with DeJean. Kids has been a stud in the B10 as both a DB and return man. Ran a 4.42 at pro day and RAS score is best amount CDs. Know RAS doesn't mean you will be great pro but his body of work has been excellent. Hope you are right and he he goes in the second to our Colts!!

Argue about Grigson? No, unlike you, I never did. If you keep misrepresenting my intent, then I may have to keep correcting you. The "it" you seem to be referring to is something I let go before you even raised it. In this 2024 draft, I'm interested if you (or anybody) think's Ballard's past history of improving the oline when his franchise QBs major injuries were not caused by oline protection issues...aka, he just wants a better oline for a Qb who was injured... supports a plausible theory that he could trade down from 15 to select an OT?

I know. Two to so months ago, Vikings fans discussed the impact of trading Herbert; we all agreed that logistically it would not work for the Chargers. I would have loved it.

Agreed. Just because they're "in talks" doesn't mean they are making the arrangements. "In talks" could actually mean something like this: Ballard -- So, what would it take for us to move up to your #3 spot? Patriots -- All of your picks this year, your first round picks for the next three years, your car, your house, and your firstborn child. Ballard -- Right. I'll get back to you.

Sssshhh not supposed to speak to that

He's a hell of a player. If any team other than Cincy were to take him, I'd definitely want it to be Indy. But I think you're right, @w87r, I don't see the Bengals honoring that request just like with Higgins. The front office I imagine is telling them "go help us win a Super Bowl and then you can make as much money as you want!".

He hasn't been here 9 years