Luck close to throwing: Reich

[sfergson727]

I think it is cute how we are still pretending that Luck will be back.  Just sayin’.

[aaron11]

6 minutes ago, sfergson727 said:

I think it is cute how we are still pretending that Luck will be back.  Just sayin’.

he will be back, the question is for how long

[shasta519]

15 minutes ago, sfergson727 said:

I think it is cute how we are still pretending that Luck will be back.  Just sayin’.

 

Just get ready for the Nick Foles speculation if Luck still isn't playing a few weeks into the season.

[Valpo2004]

15 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

Hopes are good.

 

Just don’t get them too high. Superman is right, IMHO. Luck won’t throw until after minicamp. When? Who knows. We still need to be patient, even after he does throw. He still has a lot of work ahead of him.

 

I am guessing it might start right after mini-camp concludes.

 

I think he might be ready now but he's not going to throw during OTA's or mini-camp because his throws could be off or weak.  And if he looked bad at first it would create panic. 

[ColtsBlueFL]

7 hours ago, icf said:

Wake me when he actually throws a football....he's been close before and after 18 months, I don't care if he's close....just that he can actually do it at an NFL QB level.

 

5 hours ago, Horse Shoe Heaven said:

I didn't I have had the same surgery twice takes a year to recover! Those who have not had the surgery and began to throw wouldn't know. He will be great this year! That's how it will work out!

 

From what I have heard, the surgeon and medical team decided to reboot the rehab... start again from square one when he was shut down last year.

 

5 hours ago, John Waylon said:

I’m just curious to see how “close” we can get. We’ve gotta be pushing the physical boundaries of possibility at this point. If we get any closer we’ll be behind it. 

 

Some mild concern is warranted IMHO. Depends on when he throws, and how much his static weighted ball training  trims off the throwing (footballs) program.  From the looks of it appears little to none. (no shortcuts).  To me that means 6-8 weeks in a throwing program, then a month in live drills with the team. Is he already throwing offline like some here speculate? Who knows.  I'm not concerned or excited until he is in 7 on 7 and 11 on 11 drill in practice. That will be telltale.

 

5 hours ago, masterlock said:

Almost 17 months into a recovery that should have taken no longer that 9 months, and still not throwing a football. This defies everything experts say about how long it should take to recover from labrum surgery, especially a less severe tear, as was reported to be the case for Luck. Makes no sense. 

 

 

They reportedly did a total restart/reboot of the rehab program right after he was shut down at the beginning of November last year. Including the initial rest period.

 

Quote

 

It only makes sense if there is damage to his shoulder that was NOT repaired, such as a torn biceps tendon. This would explain why inflammation appeared as soon as he started throwing a football last year. The labrum was fine. But the unrepaired biceps tendon was not. And as soon as it was exposed to to significant stress, inflammation appeared.

 

Trust evidence, not words.

 

I know a Dr. or two trotted that potential condition out a while ago.  But he has been seen by many specialists since and they know about biceps tenodesis.  Either they feel it not indicated in this instance, or Andrew refuses (or both)  Unfortunately, here are some stats about SLAP repair that are sobering-

 

Dr. Anthony Romeo, Dr. Michael Shepard and Dr. James Andrews discussed new techniques to improve outcomes in Type II SLAP repairs.  In a 2011 study by Neri, et. al. of 23 elite overhead throwing athletes treated with SLAP repairs, 57% (13/23) returned to a previous level of performance, 26% (6/23) returned to play with pain and 17% (4/23) never pitched again. 

These results are a far cry from the 85-90% return to play after Tommy John surgery from 2006-2012 (Watson et. al., 2013).

 

Biceps tenodesis was discussed, and "while the before mentioned techniques show promise, one treatment all physicians at the conference agreed upon was conservative treatment. " If the biceps tendon is involved, it seems they might be using strength, and stability exercises to combat that, not surgical invention.

 

http://www.athletico.com/2016/03/03/hot-topics-regarding-overhead-throwing-from-this-years-asmi-conference/

 

Here is another enlightening, detailed look in depth about biceps tenodesis-

 

https://mikereinold.com/is-a-biceps-tenodesis-the-answer/

 

My favorite quote in this article? It's from Dr. James Andrews himself-

 

“The biceps (and tendon) is there for a purpose   (referring attachment to the humeral head in the shoulder, not lower)  — it’s too intrinsically associated with the shoulder joint.  Until we know what the real function of it is, we’re stabbing in the dark.”  When asked if a biceps tenodesis is the answer to athletes returning to sport, similar to a Tommy John procedure, he replied “With Tommy John surgery, we’re actually restoring anatomy. In the case of biceps tenodesis, you’re deleting anatomy.”

 

I posted my own idea/guess/opinion why he might be having recurrent issues in another thread a little while ago (and no, it wasn't biceps tendon attachment/bicipital groove irritation), so i won't repeat it here.

 

 

 

 

[HectorRoberts]

I bet he is throwing again but it’s just being kept quiet Incase there is another set back

[ColtsBlueFL]

57 minutes ago, HectorRoberts said:

I bet he is throwing again but it’s just being kept quiet Incase there is another set back

 

It's possible, he could possibly be in a throwing (with footballs) program already, and if so, could reduce the time necessary to  be cleared for full practice. But that also means Frank Reich is telling a fib to keep the dogs off the trail...

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-reich-andrew-luck-is-real-close-to-throwing-but-it-will-come-down-to-heart/

 

[Nesjan3]

When i see him throwing in the preseason and running out on the field week 1 ill be happy. Ill be taking everything the organization says to us with a grain of salt until i see it. Last year is still fresh in my memory.

[P'Son]

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice...

[CanuckColt]

Luck will probably never return to his peak form.

If he still has not yet thrown with max velocity, then he probably never will.

Besides, he will always be one good hit away from forced retirement.

Let's just put the Luck era behind us and have closure (and a ton of $$$) and move forward with Brissett. If Brissett does not work out, then we can try for a QB in the next draft...

like drafting   Drew Lock

to replace   Andrew Luck.

hmmmmm...very similar names.

 

[Four2itus]

I choose to believe that he will be back. Not because someone is telling me that. It is about my experience as a fan. I am really excited and I'm having a great time getting amped up for the upcoming season. If I were to choose the path of thinking he won't be back, or will never throw the same, or will get hurt again, my entire offseason would be depressing. Furthermore...my belief or doubt will not change one bit of anything...other than my own level of fun. 

 

 

I cannot wait! Luck will be there....and lots of wins in our future. Go Colts!!!

[jvan1973]

On 6/8/2018 at 6:47 PM, CanuckColt said:

Luck will probably never return to his peak form.

If he still has not yet thrown with max velocity, then he probably never will.

Besides, he will always be one good hit away from forced retirement.

Let's just put the Luck era behind us and have closure (and a ton of $$$) and move forward with Brissett. If Brissett does not work out, then we can try for a QB in the next draft...

like drafting   Drew Lock

to replace   Andrew Luck.

hmmmmm...very similar names.

 

Yeah,   none of that is going to happen

[2006Coltsbestever]

1 minute ago, jvan1973 said:

Yeah,   none of that is going to happen

The negativity in here reeks doesn't it? When he starts on opening day and has a Good season, some of these people are going to look silly. I have avoided these type threads lately and not really worried about Luck. We all know his timetable and how his rehab is going so not much to add on my part. Guy is in great shape and is very upbeat.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

On 6/8/2018 at 11:19 AM, aaron11 said:

he will be back, the question is for how long

 

I think if he ever does resurrects his career it will be with another team. 

 

Maybe with a team the nfl gods favor like Broncos, Steelers, Giants, Pats etc... Maybe like in 2019 or 2020.

Who knows?

[hoosierhawk]

All of this negative nonsense is just that. If any of you have had shoulder problems or bicep problems you would know damn well that Luck would not be able to lift and get as ripped as he is. I have had shoulder problems and I can bench less than 1/3 of what I was able to bench prior to the injury and I can curl less than 1/2 of what I could before. Just by looking at him now vs last year at this time convinces me his shoulder and bicep is much, much better than last year and he will be back better than he was in 2016. 

For those of you prognosticating that the first time he gets hit he'll be done really disappoint me more. There is not a QB that is as big and as ripped as Luck right now so I say he can he can take a hit. The fact of the matter is that every person playing football at a high level is one bad hit from ending his career. Ryan Shazier is an example of that so rather than theorize that for Andrew remember it can happen to anyone, even on your way to work tomorrow.

[superrep1967]

On 6/8/2018 at 11:37 AM, shastamasta said:

 

Just get ready for the Nick Foles speculation if Luck still isn't playing a few weeks into the season.

I agree!

[Steamboat_Shaun]

8 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

I think if he ever does resurrects his career it will be with another team. 

 

Maybe with a team the nfl gods favor like Broncos, Steelers, Giants, Pats etc... Maybe like in 2019 or 2020.

Who knows?

 

Why?

[ColtsBlueFL]

10 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

I think if he ever does resurrects his career it will be with another team. 

 

Maybe with a team the nfl gods favor like Broncos, Steelers, Giants, Pats etc... Maybe like in 2019 or 2020.

Who knows?

 

???

 

2 hours ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

Why?

 

More like how?

 

He's under contract through 2021.  Cut him this year, 34 million  dead money. Next year? almost 13 million dead money. Cut in 2020, about 6.5 million dead money.  If he's hurt enough to not play for us, nobody will trade anything of value for him...

 

He's ours.  And I trust the medical team and Luck to get him back into form at some point.  I don't know the time frame... it's too fluid.  My hope is  he starts game 1.  Might be a touch rusty...  but if he is good to go, get him out there and give him game reps!

[UKColt13]

Didn’t see the colon in the title of the the thread. Got excited at some major progress.

[Smonroe]

3 hours ago, UKColt13 said:

Didn’t see the colon in the title of the the thread. Got excited at some major progress.

 

Lol!  We’re you waiting for ...under the bus?

[UKColt13]

18 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Lol!  We’re you waiting for ...under the bus?

 

I was hoping for 

 

.. into the bullseye of a dartboard from 40 yards with a tight spiral to impress reporters’

 

But I’ll take what I can get

[Yoshinator]

We have to trust that Luck will return for the simple fact that Ballard traded down instead of staying at no3 where we would of been able to take Sam Darnold. That alone deserves their trust until Luck returns or doesn't return. If he returns, we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on, if he still has problems and doesn't return, then it's time to crucify the FO as they would have to be the most incompetent people in the league to be wrong two years in a row and pass up a franchise QB to replace him because of stubbornness. 

 

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return. Ballard could be in danger of losing his job if he passed on Darnold and Luck isn't playing, and Irsay could be the laughingstock of the NFL if he didn't force Ballard to draft a franchise QB, didn't get anything out of Luck's career, and lost the trust of millions of Colts fans and a lot of future money from this incident. A lot is on the line for both of them. Give it til the start of the season before judging, if Luck doesn't return, tear this FO up willingly at that point. They deserve until the start of the season to be judged though.

[Smonroe]

2 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

We have to trust that Luck will return for the simple fact that Ballard traded down instead of staying at no3 where we would of been able to take Sam Darnold. That alone deserves their trust until Luck returns or doesn't return. If he returns, we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on, if he still has problems and doesn't return, then it's time to crucify the FO as they would have to be the most incompetent people in the league to be wrong two years in a row and pass up a franchise QB to replace him because of stubbornness. 

 

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return. Ballard could be in danger of losing his job if he passed on Darnold and Luck isn't playing, and Irsay could be the laughingstock of the NFL if he didn't force Ballard to draft a franchise QB, didn't get anything out of Luck's career, and lost the trust of millions of Colts fans and a lot of future money from this incident. A lot is on the line for both of them. Give it til the start of the season before judging, if Luck doesn't return, tear this FO up willingly at that point. They deserve until the start of the season to be judged though.

 

Not to derail the thread, but maybe Ballard looked at the top five QBs and realized none were even as good as Brissett?

[Yoshinator]

52 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Not to derail the thread, but maybe Ballard looked at the top five QBs and realized none were even as good as Brissett?

It's possible, but I don't buy that 100%. Brissett may be better than any of them to start, but there's no doubt all of them have potential to be better than Brissett in a year or two. They could of sat behind Brissett for a year and got a chance to start year 2 after gaining some experience. I do believe it's because Ballard and Irsay are making an all or nothing claim that Luck will be fully healthy again. If it works, then they can say they knew Luck was going to be healthy, and there was no need to draft a QB. The trade down would look even more genius then. If Luck is done, then nobody has any credibility left and we no longer have a guaranteed top pick to draft a QB and have to roll with Brissett. It's like going double or nothing on a roulette wheel after losing a big bet.

[Smonroe]

17 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It's possible, but I don't buy that 100%. Brissett may be better than any of them to start, but there's no doubt all of them have potential to be better than Brissett in a year or two. They could of sat behind Brissett for a year and got a chance to start year 2 after gaining some experience. I do believe it's because Ballard and Irsay are making an all or nothing claim that Luck will be fully healthy again. If it works, then they can say they knew Luck was going to be healthy, and there was no need to draft a QB. The trade down would look even more genius then. If Luck is done, then nobody has any credibility left and we no longer have a guaranteed top pick to draft a QB and have to roll with Brissett. It's like going double or nothing on a roulette wheel after losing a big bet.

 

Or if Luck is really done it’s likely we’ll have a high pick again next year.  So why rush it?

 

I really don’t think any of this years QBs were that special.  Darnold was a turn over machine.  Mayfield is kind of small with his game.  Others have flaws.  

 

There will be guys better next year, but I doubt it comes to that.  Luck will be back and better than ever.  

[Yoshinator]

6 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Or if Luck is really done it’s likely we’ll have a high pick again next year.  So why rush it?

 

I really don’t think any of this years QBs were that special.  Darnold was a turn over machine.  Mayfield is kind of small with his game.  Others have flaws.  

 

There will be guys better next year, but I doubt it comes to that.  Luck will be back and better than ever.  

I hope Luck is back and better than ever too. We have a pretty sweet offense around him now from this draft for him to come back too. Giving him the proper time before passing judgment as I know he had a setback. I think Brissett would get us a pick from 10-12 though IMO.

[NewColtsFan]

4 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

We have to trust that Luck will return for the simple fact that Ballard traded down instead of staying at no3 where we would of been able to take Sam Darnold. That alone deserves their trust until Luck returns or doesn't return. If he returns, we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on, if he still has problems and doesn't return, then it's time to crucify the FO as they would have to be the most incompetent people in the league to be wrong two years in a row and pass up a franchise QB to replace him because of stubbornness. 

 

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return. Ballard could be in danger of losing his job if he passed on Darnold and Luck isn't playing, and Irsay could be the laughingstock of the NFL if he didn't force Ballard to draft a franchise QB, didn't get anything out of Luck's career, and lost the trust of millions of Colts fans and a lot of future money from this incident. A lot is on the line for both of them. Give it til the start of the season before judging, if Luck doesn't return, tear this FO up willingly at that point. They deserve until the start of the season to be judged though.

 

Oh, Dear God...  here we go... Again!   

[Yoshinator]

2 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

Oh, Dear God...  here we go... Again!   

You're the only one taking this as a negative. I'm perfectly relaxed, and letting this situation blow over until the regular season now. I'm at peace with it for now. I'm only going to get upset if Luck doesn't play this year, as all of us should. Don't take my post as something it isn't. 

[IndyD4U]

This place used to be fun...

 

Now, it's an annoyance due to the some of these posts/trolls

[Four2itus]

Put...down....the......phone......
 

 

No matter what happens......Ballards job is quite secure.

[Cynjin]

50 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

You're the only one taking this as a negative. I'm perfectly relaxed, and letting this situation blow over until the regular season now. I'm at peace with it for now. I'm only going to get upset if Luck doesn't play this year, as all of us should. Don't take my post as something it isn't. 

 

Yeah, that second paragraph was a bowl full of sunshine and lollipops. 

[deedub75]

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

We have to trust that Luck will return for the simple fact that Ballard traded down instead of staying at no3 where we would of been able to take Sam Darnold. That alone deserves their trust until Luck returns or doesn't return. If he returns, we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on, if he still has problems and doesn't return, then it's time to crucify the FO as they would have to be the most incompetent people in the league to be wrong two years in a row and pass up a franchise QB to replace him because of stubbornness. 

 

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return. Ballard could be in danger of losing his job if he passed on Darnold and Luck isn't playing, and Irsay could be the laughingstock of the NFL if he didn't force Ballard to draft a franchise QB, didn't get anything out of Luck's career, and lost the trust of millions of Colts fans and a lot of future money from this incident. A lot is on the line for both of them. Give it til the start of the season before judging, if Luck doesn't return, tear this FO up willingly at that point. They deserve until the start of the season to be judged though.

 

I think you’re reading too much into Ballard trading down and not picking a QB in the draft.  The only way I saw Ballard picking a QB at #3 was if Luck or his doctors said he was done.  As long as Luck is rehabbing and things are looking like he will play then there was no need to panick and pick a QB at #3. The team is not likely to win much this year even with a healthy Luck.  Brissett will fill in nicely and if for some reason Luck doesn’t play at all or is completely done then Ballard will be picking pretty high next year and then he would pick a QB but the foundation for the team would already be set.  According to Ballard, he is trying to build a complete team that is not totally reliant on the QB. 

[NewColtsFan]

1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

You're the only one taking this as a negative. I'm perfectly relaxed, and letting this situation blow over until the regular season now. I'm at peace with it for now. I'm only going to get upset if Luck doesn't play this year, as all of us should. Don't take my post as something it isn't. 

 

I don't know how to break this to you,  but the reason I'm the only one taking this as a negative is because........   You and I are practically THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE!!!   HELLO?!?      The website is dead.   Vacant.    Empty!

 

There's little new info and people are taking a vacation from the website.    THAT'S why I'm the only person who has reacted.      Also,  I honestly think you have no idea what you write sometimes.    It doesn't even occur to you that you've written something that's going to get a reaction.     So,  I'll try to high-lite it for you.   

 

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

We have to trust that Luck will return for the simple fact that Ballard traded down instead of staying at no3 where we would of been able to take Sam Darnold. That alone deserves their trust until Luck returns or doesn't return. If he returns, we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on, if he still has problems and doesn't return, then it's time to crucify the FO as they would have to be the most incompetent people in the league to be wrong two years in a row and pass up a franchise QB to replace him because of stubbornness. 

 

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return. Ballard could be in danger of losing his job if he passed on Darnold and Luck isn't playing, and Irsay could be the laughingstock of the NFL if he didn't force Ballard to draft a franchise QB, didn't get anything out of Luck's career, and lost the trust of millions of Colts fans and a lot of future money from this incident. A lot is on the line for both of them. Give it til the start of the season before judging, if Luck doesn't return, tear this FO up willingly at that point. They deserve until the start of the season to be judged though.

 

Dear God.....  

 

Crucify the front office...   the most incompetent people.     Being wrong two years in a row.     And when did you become the agent for Sam Darnold?    He wasn't even the first QB taken.    

 

The chances of Chris Ballard losing his job over not taking a QB are EXACTLY ZERO.     Z-E-R-O!!      Do you think Ballard made the moves he did WITHOUT the full support of JIm Irsay?!?!?    You think Irsay read about the trade down and the drafting of Nelson in the local newspaper?!?     Ballard explains his vision,  and Irsay agrees with it and signs off.   The chances of Luck never coming back are factored in.     Irsay knows this.  

 

Irsay will NOT be the laughing stock of the NFL.    The owners know he's between a rock and a hard place with his franchise Quarterback suffering an injury so bad that his recovery is pretty close to being unprecidented in the history of the NFL.    If Luck never comes back it's NOT Ballard that was wrong,  it's the doctors.     CB is making his decisions based on the best medical advice he can get. 

 

Finally,  the Colts likely don't have MILLIONS of fans.    This website has roughly 20,000 members.    The stadium holds about 66,000.     MILLIONS of fans?     No.    Not likely.

 

And you somehow think you wrote a post that just wasn't that big a deal and I'm making something of it that it's not.      Like I said,   sometimes you just have NO IDEA what you write.

 

[Steamboat_Shaun]

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return.

 

They're not risking anything, because they're seeing all the things behind closed doors that we aren't. Whether it's secret throwing sessions, private workouts, etc, they've seen & know more than us, it's as simple as that. They've seen enough to say with confidence that he'll be ready to roll come training camp. It's completely different than last year, when only Irsay made any mention of a timeline, while Ballard & Pagano wouldn't comment on it at all. This year everyone seems to be on the same page.

 

And if Luck's career was truly in jeopardy the way so many people seem to believe that it is, he'd either be released, or traded for whatever they could get in return. Ballard isn't going to hang on to a guy that he knows is damaged goods, & even though it'd be a really tough pill to swallow for fan, Ballard of all people would know that getting Luck's contract off the books would be considered a huge win at this point if he could no longer play.

[Yoshinator]

8 minutes ago, Cynjin said:

 

Yeah, that second paragraph was a bowl full of sunshine and lollipops. 

It isn't meant to be. It's the reality of the situation that Irsay and Ballard backed themselves into. They've doubled down on their position on Luck. If he plays, everything is fine, if not, then Ballard and Irsay will get a lot of backlash this time, and we may have to rely on Brissett. At least I'm willing to have some patience and wait until the regular season starts. Also, for anyone who wants to trash me, talking it out and venting helps me relax a bit. At least I'm in a better position than before where I was lashing out. I just want a healthy Luck. It's been 4 years.

[Yoshinator]

4 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

I don't know how to break this to you,  but the reason I'm the only one taking this as a negative is because........   You and I are practically THE ONLY PEOPLE HERE!!!   HELLO?!?      The website is dead.   Vacant.    Empty!

 

There's little new info and people are taking a vacation from the website.    THAT'S why I'm the only person who has reacted.      Also,  I honestly think you have no idea what you write sometimes.    It doesn't even occur to you that you've written something that's going to get a reaction.     So,  I'll try to high-lite it for you.   

 

 

Dear God.....  

 

Crucify the front office...   the most incompetent people.     Being wrong two years in a row.     And when did you become the agent for Sam Darnold?    He wasn't even the first QB taken.    

 

The chances of Chris Ballard losing his job over not taking a QB are EXACTLY ZERO.     Z-E-R-O!!      Do you think Ballard made the moves he did WITHOUT the full support of JIm Irsay?!?!?    You think Irsay read about the trade down and the drafting of Nelson in the local newspaper?!?     Ballard explains his vision,  and Irsay agrees with it and signs off.   The chances of Luck never coming back are factored in.     Irsay knows this.  

 

Irsay will NOT be the laughing stock of the NFL.    The owners know he's between a rock and a hard place with his franchise Quarterback suffering an injury so bad that his recovery is pretty close to being unprecidented in the history of the NFL.    If Luck never comes back it's NOT Ballard that was wrong,  it's the doctors.     CB is making his decisions based on the best medical advice he can get. 

 

Finally,  the Colts likely don't have MILLIONS of fans.    This website has roughly 20,000 members.    The stadium holds about 66,000.     MILLIONS of fans?     No.    Not likely.

 

And you somehow think you wrote a post that just wasn't that big a deal and I'm making something of it that it's not.      Like I said,   sometimes you just have NO IDEA what you write.

 

All I'm trying to do is weigh both sides of the situation here. The positive is great if Luck returns, and the negative is horrible if he doesn't because it probably means there's a good chance he's done. This is the 2nd year that Irsay and Ballard have said he'd return. The fans and media will give them a pass once, they won't twice, especially when it includes passing on Darnold, which would of been the get out of jail free card. Despite what doctors said, Irsay and Ballard know that they were wrong last year, and that they could be wrong again. They didn't draft any QB, much less Darnold. They had a choice and decided to go with the doctor's advice. We'll see if they are right. 

 

You can't deny the backlash that Ballard and Irsay will get if Luck doesn't play and he's done though. Maybe not from the owners, but definitely from the media and fans, and that will affect Irsay's pocketbook when all the casuals 100% know Luck isn't coming back (hypothetically of course).

[ColtsBlueFL]

5 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

It's possible, but I don't buy that 100%. Brissett may be better than any of them to start, but there's no doubt all of them have potential to be better than Brissett in a year or two. They could of sat behind Brissett for a year and got a chance to start year 2 after gaining some experience. I do believe it's because Ballard and Irsay are making an all or nothing claim that Luck will be fully healthy again. If it works, then they can say they knew Luck was going to be healthy, and there was no need to draft a QB. The trade down would look even more genius then. If Luck is done, then nobody has any credibility left and we no longer have a guaranteed top pick to draft a QB and have to roll with Brissett. It's like going double or nothing on a roulette wheel after losing a big bet.

 

I feel Brissett will be as good as any of them (and better than most) for 2018. However, if Luck isn't back sometime during then or (especially) in 2019, then sign JB during 2019 season and unless he performs in top 12 level, also draft a franchise QB in 2020.  But I just don't think that will be necessary.  For now though, I wish we would find a better backup for JB than Kaaya, just in case.

[Jason_]

6 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Right now, Ballard and Irsay are risking everything that Luck will return. Ballard could be in danger of losing his job if he passed on Darnold and Luck isn't playing,

 

I have zero doubt whatsoever that Irsay and Ballard were on the same page in terms of trading the #3 pick and not selecting a QB in the first round.  Therefore I don't see any scenario where Ballard's job is in jeopardy after this season.

[Jason_]

On 6/8/2018 at 6:47 PM, CanuckColt said:

Luck will probably never return to his peak form.

If he still has not yet thrown with max velocity, then he probably never will.

 

 

 

And this is based on how many years of medical training and experience?

 

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Besides, he will always be one good hit away from forced retirement.

 

same question as above

[NewColtsFan]

3 hours ago, Jared Cisneros said:

All I'm trying to do is weigh both sides of the situation here. The positive is great if Luck returns, and the negative is horrible if he doesn't because it probably means there's a good chance he's done. This is the 2nd year that Irsay and Ballard have said he'd return. The fans and media will give them a pass once, they won't twice, especially when it includes passing on Darnold, which would of been the get out of jail free card. Despite what doctors said, Irsay and Ballard know that they were wrong last year, and that they could be wrong again. They didn't draft any QB, much less Darnold. They had a choice and decided to go with the doctor's advice. We'll see if they are right. 

 

You can't deny the backlash that Ballard and Irsay will get if Luck doesn't play and he's done though. Maybe not from the owners, but definitely from the media and fans, and that will affect Irsay's pocketbook when all the casuals 100% know Luck isn't coming back (hypothetically of course).

 

The only people who worry about backlash are fans.

 

Ballard doesn't care.     Irsay doesn't care.

 

They didn't draft a QB because they were told Luck would be fine at some point.     

 

You act as if someone has announced that there will NEVER be a QB available any more from now until the end of time.     That because we passed on 4 QB's that means we'll NEVER get a QB.

 

Minnesota had THREE good QB's last year and they LET THEM ALL GO!!   Kennum,  Bradford,  Bridgewater ALL GONE!!    And they went out and signed two FA QB's.     That's the way life works.

 

If Luck never plays again,  then the job is Brissett's to lose.    And we'll ride him until Ballard has seen enough to tell him that JB is not the guy.    And then he'll find a new QB,  either in the draft,  or in FA.    That's what teams do.     And in the meantime,  Ballard is building up the roster so that when we finally do get a QB,  whether it's Luck or Brissett or someone else,  then that QB will be surrounded by a very good team. 

 

For a guy who thinks that almost anyone playing fantasy football can eventually become a GM,  perhaps this is another example of just how hard the the job really is.     It's not a job for just anyone.    Ballard isn't just anyone.    He's highly respected around the NFL,   even if he's not highly respected here by some....