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Colts OTA’s 5/23/18

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I too am really interested to see what OL combo is working with the 1's.  

 

Obviously a lot can change between now and the end of camp.  But it would be good to find out who the initial favorites are.

 

LB's man that just is a huge tossup.  

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Man, a lot of people are hyping up the Cain Train.......hope he is half as good as they are making him out to be. 

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6 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

Man, a lot of people are hyping up the Cain Train.......hope he is half as good as they are making him out to be. 

I am excited to see what Cain can do but I am always leary of WRs that have issues with drops.  Especially when those drops concentration related.

 

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4 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

Man, a lot of people are hyping up the Cain Train.......hope he is half as good as they are making him out to be. 

 

 It’ll be REALLY difficult for him to surpass some Colts fans’ expectations, because they are already pretty lofty haha 

 

Cain Train sounds cool tho. All aboard.

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32 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

Hes a 6th round pick. If he catches a dozen passes this season, he would be greatly exceeding expectations.

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1 minute ago, shastamasta said:

 

Hes a 6th round pick. If he catches a dozen passes this season, he would be greatly exceeding expectations.

You do realize he was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick, right? You wouldn't of been saying that La'el Collins would be lucky to be playing in his rookie year because he's an undrafted FA, would you? Know that he was a value pick and he should easily outperform expectations, especially if Luck is healthy with the current receiving crew. 

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1 hour ago, TKnight24 said:

 

Loved Rathman when he played.  If he can bring the physical mentality to the RB crew it would be a huge plus.  Fast and physical...great combo.  Hopefully they all succeed.

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Hey, Luck tossed "The Duke" underhand back to the center! Still counts as throwing a football, right?

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35 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

 

Interesting......

 

His 53 man roster.....     has 54 players.    

 

By his own count....    25 offensive....     26 defensive....    3 special teams

 

That's 54.        Whoopsie!

 

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2 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

Most likely Malik will be out too. I doubt we'll see malik until TC if we're lucky

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14 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

Man, a lot of people are hyping up the Cain Train.......hope he is half as good as they are making him out to be. 

 

I hope so too. But I am not sure how realistic people are being. Here is the list of 6th round WRs since 2013:

 

2017

Robert Davis

 

2016

Mortiz Boehringer

Jakeem Grant

Kolby Listenbee 

Cody Core - 17 receptions, 200 yards in rookie season...nothing since

Mike Thomas

Aaron Burbridge - 7 receptions, 88 yards in rookie season...nothing since

 

2015

Kaelin Clay - 17 receptions, 147 yards in third season...didn't catch a pass until his third season

Geremy Davis - 2 receptions, 21 yards in rookie season...nothing since

Evan Spencer 

Bud Sasser 

Darren Waller - 2 receptions, 18 yards in rookie season...10 receptions, 85 yards in two seasons since

 

2014

Robert Herron - 6 receptions, 58 yards in rookie season...never played again

T.J. Jones  - 45 receptions, 624 yards in career so far...but didn't catch a pass until his second season

Matt Hazel - 1 reception in three seasons

Walt Powell - O receptions in three seasons

Quincy Enunwa - 80 receptions, 1,172 yards in career so far...but didn't catch a pass until second season

 

2013

Corey Fuller  - 18 receptions, 288 yards in career...hasn't played since 2015

Ryan Swoope

Justin Brown - 12 receptions, 94 yards in rookie season...out of the league

Alan Bonner

Cobi Hamilton - 18 receptions, 242 yards in career...didn't catch a pass until his third season

 

There are a lot of very good college WRs on this list...but 45% of them haven't caught (or never caught) a pass at the NFL level. And the overall production for the ones who have caught passes is mostly minimal...and many of them are out of the league now. Enunwa is obviously an outlier...but even he didn't start producting until after his rookie season. Same with T.J. Jones.

 

Cain reminds me of his fellow Clemson teammate, Charone Peake. Both were hyped as day two picks and both have incredibly similar size and athleticism. Cain went in the 6th round and Peake was a 7th round pick. I think Peake's rookie season is a fair starting point for Cain. 

 

Cain certainly has a lot of upside, but he also has a lot of history working against him. If anything, I think Fountain is the guy to watch this season. They heavily targeted him pre-draft and he was the first WR taken (they willingly risked Cain being gone at that point). I think they have big plans for Fountain.

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I always freak out when I don't see guys playing early in OTA's. Why are Wilson and Hairston sitting this early? They aren't hurt.

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14 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Most likely Malik will be out too. I doubt we'll see malik until TC if we're lucky

yeah

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32 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

You do realize he was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick, right? You wouldn't of been saying that La'el Collins would be lucky to be playing in his rookie year because he's an undrafted FA, would you? Know that he was a value pick and he should easily outperform expectations, especially if Luck is healthy with the current receiving crew. 

 

Plenty of day two WRs have failed to have much of an impact in their rookie seasons. And Cain isn't the first WR to slip in the draft. We don't really know what teams thought of him. There was a reason why teams passed on him for several rounds. Something on film and/or in meetings with him made those teams doubt if he was ready to make an impact at the NFL level...or if he even would. And those teams (including the Colts) took 20 WRs over him.

 

I am all for getting excited about rookies. I would love to see Cain be an outlier (like Diggs or Kupp), but I don't have those expectations right away. And I think he will need some development before he makes an impact. 

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I have hopes for Cain, but I'm actually more excited to see if Steve Ishmael can break into the lineup. 

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1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

I am excited to see what Cain can do but I am always leary of WRs that have issues with drops.  Especially when those drops concentration related.

 

 Yeah the word "drops" and "Wide Receiver" aren't two words I like reading in the same sentence.

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1 minute ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

Howard already penciled in at RT. thats a good sign. 

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1 minute ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

 

Swoope and Mewhort hurt again? 

 

Must've not stretched before hitting snooze on the alarm clock. 

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Just now, lollygagger8 said:

 

Swoope and Mewhort hurt again? 

 

Must've not stretched before hitting snooze on the alarm clock. 

 

Mewhort is still rehabbing his knee from last year I believe 

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11 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

Good at left tackle... GULP

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1 hour ago, Jared Cisneros said:

You do realize he was projected as a 2nd or 3rd round pick, right? You wouldn't of been saying that La'el Collins would be lucky to be playing in his rookie year because he's an undrafted FA, would you? Know that he was a value pick and he should easily outperform expectations, especially if Luck is healthy with the current receiving crew. 

Cain didn't have a homicide case attached to his name around draft time though..... he fell because of character/performance issues I believe. 

 

La'el would have been a first round pick for sure if the whole murder case didn't happen to him. 

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5 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Good at left tackle... GULP

 

would you rather it be Clark haha 

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15 minutes ago, lollygagger8 said:

 Yeah the word "drops" and "Wide Receiver" aren't two words I like reading in the same sentence.

Yup, it's right up there with 


QBs that have accuracy issues

RBs that have vision issues

Olineman that have strength issues

DTs that have play recognition issues

Lbers take false steps

CBs that have trouble locating the ball

Safeties that take poor angles.

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2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

would you rather it be Clark haha 

true

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17 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Good at left tackle... GULP

Why?  Good has the complete skillset to play LT.

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