Colts OTA’s 5/23/18

[TKnight24]

 

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

seems rather concerning. I haven't seen Leonard in any of the field pictures on the colts website either. I wonder what is the issue

[shasta519]

1 minute ago, TKnight24 said:

 

 

Thankfully these current depth charts are largely meaningless...because that starting group is putrid.

[TKnight24]

 

[shasta519]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

seems rather concerning. I haven't seen Leonard in any of the field pictures on the colts website either. I wonder what is the issue

 

If he's not under contract...maybe they can't.

[CR91]

Just now, shastamasta said:

 

Thankfully these current depth charts are largely meaningless...because that starting group is putrid.

 

Besides goode at Will and maybe walker if we try to sign kendricks. That will be most likely our starting LBers. I still expect Leonard to start.

Just now, shastamasta said:

 

If he's not under contract...maybe they can't.

 

Im pretty sure that is only for TC

[Narcosys]

If any rookie past the 1st round starts, that's exceeding expectations for me.

[shasta519]

Just now, CR91 said:

 

Besides goode at Will and maybe walker if we try to sign kendricks. That will be most likely our starting LBers. I still expect Leonard to start.

 

Im pretty sure that is only for TC

 

I think Walker moves over to SAM. Morrison is too slow for this defense...even at SAM. Hopefully, they can get Kendricks to play MIKE.

[CR91]

Just now, shastamasta said:

 

I think Walker moves over to SAM. Morrison is too slow for this defense...even at SAM. Hopefully, they can get Kendricks to play MIKE.

 

Sam isn't really about being fast. Its about reading and reacting to the ball and being able to deliver a hit. Morrison can do that

[Steamboat_Shaun]

2 hours ago, lollygagger8 said:

Man, a lot of people are hyping up the Cain Train.......hope he is half as good as they are making him out to be. 

 

It's easy to think he could potentially stand out. With TY, Doyle, Ebron on the field, WR2 & 3 will be getting some favorable matchups pretty much every week.

[CR91]

2 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

It's easy to think he could potentially stand out. With TY, Doyle, Ebron on the field, WR2 & 3 will be getting some favorable matchups pretty much every week.

 

not to mention mack and hines out of the backfield

[Steamboat_Shaun]

26 minutes ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Why?  Good has the complete skillset to play LT.

 

A video I watched yesterday about how the Eagles built their SB winning roster said that Howie Roseman believes that RT is now the most important OL position, & considering Reich is our HC, it's not surprising that he has the better player on that side in Howard. It's nice to know that Good has to versatility to back up both of those spots though, that type of versatility is a luxury we haven't really had in a long time.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

2 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

not to mention mack and hines out of the backfield

 

I know, I'm getting overwhelmed just trying to remember all of these guys, so I can only imagine having to gameplan against it ; )

[TKnight24]

 

[TKnight24]

 

[Reidm]

One thing I liked from the Reich Interview was him talking about eventually the offense will game plan against our

 

defense and our defense will game plan against our offense. Most of us know we didn't do that enough last year and

 

had some stupid tendencies because of it.

[Four2itus]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Yup, it's right up there with 

QBs that have accuracy issues

RBs that have vision issues

Olineman that have strength issues

DTs that have play recognition issues

Lbers take false steps

CBs that have trouble locating the ball

Safeties that take poor angles.

Liquored up kickers?

 

[Scott Pennock]

Vandershank cost us so many playoff wins I've always thought he was bought. Most accurate kicker in the regular season choke artist in the playoffs.....

[TKnight24]

 

 

[Calmack]

4 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

Vandershank cost us so many playoff wins I've always thought he was bought. Most accurate kicker in the regular season choke artist in the playoffs.....

Nah he wasn't bought.. I'm sure the player incentive for winning a super bowl is more than what some cheater would pay him. Dude just chokes in the playoffs like you said. Nerves of glass 

[csmopar]

1 hour ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Why?  Good has the complete skillset to play LT.

Cause I don't think Good is all that good...

50 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

seems rather concerning. I haven't seen Leonard in any of the field pictures on the colts website either. I wonder what is the issue

He hasn't signed his contract.  Per NFL rules, players can attend OTAs but cannot participate in practice until contract is signed. Rookie Mini camp practice is allowed though

48 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

Besides goode at Will and maybe walker if we try to sign kendricks. That will be most likely our starting LBers. I still expect Leonard to start.

 

Im pretty sure that is only for TC

see above

[CR91]

3 minutes ago, csmopar said:

He hasn't signed his contract.  Per NFL rules, players can attend OTAs but cannot participate in practice until contract is signed. Rookie Mini camp practice is allowed though

 

 

ok. so what is the hold up then? these are supposed to be standard amount contracts

[twfish]

43 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

A video I watched yesterday about how the Eagles built their SB winning roster said that Howie Roseman believes that RT is now the most important OL position, & considering Reich is our HC, it's not surprising that he has the better player on that side in Howard. It's nice to know that Good has to versatility to back up both of those spots though, that type of versatility is a luxury we haven't really had in a long time.

Watched that video yesterday too, that part was actually pretty insightful and made alot of sense

[csmopar]

15 minutes ago, CR91 said:

 

ok. so what is the hold up then? these are supposed to be standard amount contracts

there are a few things they can negotiate, usually terms for injury protection, off-set language, bonus terms all can be negotiated, total amounts cant, but dates, and such can be

[Coffeedrinker]

49 minutes ago, Steamboat_Shaun said:

 

A video I watched yesterday about how the Eagles built their SB winning roster said that Howie Roseman believes that RT is now the most important OL position, & considering Reich is our HC, it's not surprising that he has the better player on that side in Howard. It's nice to know that Good has to versatility to back up both of those spots though, that type of versatility is a luxury we haven't really had in a long time.

I don't know but perhaps Good is penciled in at the starting RT spot but Howard was there only because Good moved over the LT because AC was out.

[Superman]

2 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

I am excited to see what Cain can do but I am always leary of WRs that have issues with drops.  Especially when those drops concentration related.

 

 

He has great hands. Like you say, he appeared to lack focus at times, and at others, he tried to turn up the field too quickly. Common fouls for receivers, but if he commits to making the catch, he can come down with any pass in his area. 

[Superman]

Pretty sure Luck said he didn't anticipate throwing openly before training camp. I always figured he'd start his throwing regimen behind closed doors, and by training camp he expects to be ready to go. 

[Coffeedrinker]

13 minutes ago, csmopar said:

Cause I don't think Good is all that good...

He hasn't signed his contract.  Per NFL rules, players can attend OTAs but cannot participate in practice until contract is signed. Rookie Mini camp practice is allowed though

 

Ahh, so you don't pay a lot of attention to oline play.  

 

That second part is not true.  Rookies can participate in OTAs without a contract being signed.  They just cannot participate in training camp

[Steamboat_Shaun]

12 minutes ago, Superman said:

Pretty sure Luck said he didn't anticipate throwing openly before training camp. I always figured he'd start his throwing regimen behind closed doors, and by training camp he expects to be ready to go. 

 

Yep. He said something along the lines of "I want to be able to get to training camp at 100%, and without having a governor," or something like that. He's not gonna be full go if he isn't doing some throwing beforehand. And in Reich's presser today, he made it sound like Luck will ramp things up in that 6 week period between minicamp and training camp.

[Steamboat_Shaun]

33 minutes ago, Superman said:

Pretty sure Luck said he didn't anticipate throwing openly before training camp. I always figured he'd start his throwing regimen behind closed doors, and by training camp he expects to be ready to go. 

 

 

[a06cc]

I’m honestly wondering why this forum hyped up Good so much? I don’t see anything “good” about him. I did however see him get picked up at over 335 pounds and tossed into Jacoby last season. 

[Boiler_Colt]

What's up with Geathers? If it's still his neck then that's not good and may explain why we were looking at safeties.

[rockywoj]

6 hours ago, Coffeedrinker said:

Ahh, so you don't pay a lot of attention to oline play.  

 

That second part is not true.  Rookies can participate in OTAs without a contract being signed.  They just cannot participate in training camp

With ACL injuries, etc. every year in training camp, no way am I doing any on field activity without a signed contract.  To do so would be insane!

[Coffeedrinker]

9 minutes ago, rockywoj said:

With ACL injuries, etc. every year in training camp, no fway Ianxoing on field activity without a signed contract.  To do so would be insane!

I'm not sure what lanxoing means.

 

But to your point they have the rookie participation contract 

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It's called the "rookie participation agreement," and it essentially assures a draft pick injured during minicamps, offseason workouts or the rookie development program will receive the same contract he would have if healthy, one longtime NFLPA-certified agent explained to NJ Advance Media.

 

This is from THIS ARTICLE

 

But there are several more if you google "Rookie participation agreement"

41 minutes ago, a06cc said:

I’m honestly wondering why this forum hyped up Good so much? I don’t see anything “good” about him. I did however see him get picked up at over 335 pounds and tossed into Jacoby last season. 

No you didn't.

[Valpo2004]

Important notes I caught from this link that havn't been discussed as far as I know.

http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/2018-Colts-Practice-Notes-OTAs-Day-2/c5f820f2-1c2a-4754-b50b-c70b5a394344

 

1. Reich expects Andrew Luck to start throwing sometime between the time mini-camp breaks and training camp starts.  So we now have a time table from the head coach.  

 

2. Joe Haeg took some snaps at center.  So it looks like the coaching staff might see him as a guy who can play all 5 positions on the OL.  

[richard pallo]

55 minutes ago, Valpo2004 said:

Important notes I caught from this link that havn't been discussed as far as I know.

http://www.colts.com/news/article-1/2018-Colts-Practice-Notes-OTAs-Day-2/c5f820f2-1c2a-4754-b50b-c70b5a394344

 

1. Reich expects Andrew Luck to start throwing sometime between the time mini-camp breaks and training camp starts.  So we now have a time table from the head coach.  

 

2. Joe Haeg took some snaps at center.  So it looks like the coaching staff might see him as a guy who can play all 5 positions on the OL.  

IMO Haag has struggled everywhere he has played on the OL.  Trying him at center could be a last attempt to find him a possible backup spot.  He and Clark are fighting for their roster spots IMO.  Remember Haag couldn't beat out Vuj at LG after Mewhort went down. He and Clark only played as last resort options.  Both Grigson guys. 

[throwing BBZ]

6 hours ago, shastamasta said:

 

I hope so too. But I am not sure how realistic people are being. Here is the list of 6th round WRs since 2013:

 

2017

Robert Davis

 

2016

Mortiz Boehringer

Jakeem Grant

Kolby Listenbee 

Cody Core - 17 receptions, 200 yards in rookie season...nothing since

Mike Thomas

Aaron Burbridge - 7 receptions, 88 yards in rookie season...nothing since

 

2015

Kaelin Clay - 17 receptions, 147 yards in third season...didn't catch a pass until his third season

Geremy Davis - 2 receptions, 21 yards in rookie season...nothing since

Evan Spencer 

Bud Sasser 

Darren Waller - 2 receptions, 18 yards in rookie season...10 receptions, 85 yards in two seasons since

 

2014

Robert Herron - 6 receptions, 58 yards in rookie season...never played again

T.J. Jones  - 45 receptions, 624 yards in career so far...but didn't catch a pass until his second season

Matt Hazel - 1 reception in three seasons

Walt Powell - O receptions in three seasons

Quincy Enunwa - 80 receptions, 1,172 yards in career so far...but didn't catch a pass until second season

 

2013

Corey Fuller  - 18 receptions, 288 yards in career...hasn't played since 2015

Ryan Swoope

Justin Brown - 12 receptions, 94 yards in rookie season...out of the league

Alan Bonner

Cobi Hamilton - 18 receptions, 242 yards in career...didn't catch a pass until his third season

 

There are a lot of very good college WRs on this list...but 45% of them haven't caught (or never caught) a pass at the NFL level. And the overall production for the ones who have caught passes is mostly minimal...and many of them are out of the league now. Enunwa is obviously an outlier...but even he didn't start producting until after his rookie season. Same with T.J. Jones.

 

Cain reminds me of his fellow Clemson teammate, Charone Peake. Both were hyped as day two picks and both have incredibly similar size and athleticism. Cain went in the 6th round and Peake was a 7th round pick. I think Peake's rookie season is a fair starting point for Cain. 

 

Cain certainly has a lot of upside, but he also has a lot of history working against him. If anything, I think Fountain is the guy to watch this season. They heavily targeted him pre-draft and he was the first WR taken (they willingly risked Cain being gone at that point). I think they have big plans for Fountain.

 

 

 On and on Useless blather. So you hate... bla bla bla

[Alex22]

7 hours ago, shastamasta said:

 

Hes a 6th round pick. If he catches a dozen passes this season, he would be greatly exceeding expectations.

 

Expect Marques Colston type numbers or he is a bust IMO

[Scott Pennock]

2 hours ago, richard pallo said:

IMO Haag has struggled everywhere he has played on the OL.  Trying him at center could be a last attempt to find him a possible backup spot.  He and Clark are fighting for their roster spots IMO.  Remember Haag couldn't beat out Vuj at LG after Mewhort went down. He and Clark only played as last resort options.  Both Grigson guys. 

You may want to check your compass.....

 

Haeg played in 15 games with 14 starts as a rookie for the Colts. In 2017, he played in all 16 games, starting 15 at right tackle and right guard.

 

[richard pallo]

8 minutes ago, Scott Pennock said:

You may want to check your compass.....

 

Haeg played in 15 games with 14 starts as a rookie for the Colts. In 2017, he played in all 16 games, starting 15 at right tackle and right guard.

 

I think he started frequently as a rookie.  He did not improve in 2017. Last year he only started because Good was injured early and he was it or heaven forbid Clark.  Good had beaten him out at RT.   He started because of circumstances not because he earned the job.   I think he and Clark are on the bubble especially after our draft and new FA signings on the OL.