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I haven't had a chance to go through the thread and see how viewpoints are coming down....

 

So,  I expect my view is in the minority, and I'm OK with that....

 

That said...  I'd chalk this ruling up to this famous old saying...  "Be careful what you wish for...  you might just get it."

 

Professional sports leagues now doing business WITH professional gambling?   Dear God!   What could possibly go wrong?!?

 

I hope for the best,  but absolutely fear the worst.....

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6 hours ago, CopenhagenColt said:

 

It was to point out that addiction isn't confined or eliminated by outlawing the activity. If that was the case, there wouldn't be gambling addicts in the US.

 

If smart regulation is drawn up, there will be a licensing for companies offering gambling just like over here.

They'll have to be taxed, and some of the proceeds could be used to fund education and treatment of addicts. Just like it is over here. There are "Bet responsibly" campaigns, just like the "Drink responsibly"/don't drink and drive campaigns.

Make sure that they can't offer credit to customers.

 

We can argue over how much "choice" people have, when it comes to these things.

Reality is that some people make bad choices with regards to gambling, drugs, alcohol and a lot of other things. 

Will legal gambling turn millions of people into gambling addicts? I find that highly unlikely.

Will it make it easier for those who are addicts? Maybe, but only to a degree. These people gamble as it is, but use shady bookies that'll be happy to extend them credit until they're in the red and then pile on obscene interest rates with the threat of violence. 

 

I hear what you're saying but still have strong concerns.  There is a LOT LOT LOT of money in gambling.  Stakeholders will be hoovering money out of whatever community embraces gambling.

 

I  hope it's contained to just a few places but, I suspect it won't be.  In Illinois, a state that is essentially bankrupt, there are already poker machines virtually everywhere.  It's sad.

 

Vices will fund the future I guess and the gambling industry will become more powerful than any special interest.

 

Rather than the game, we'll now hear non stop about odds.

 

Judging by this board, people are fine with this.  I think it's shortsighted

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On 5/17/2018 at 4:33 AM, NewColtsFan said:

 

I haven't had a chance to go through the thread and see how viewpoints are coming down....

 

So,  I expect my view is in the minority, and I'm OK with that....

 

That said...  I'd chalk this ruling up to this famous old saying...  "Be careful what you wish for...  you might just get it."

 

Professional sports leagues now doing business WITH professional gambling?   Dear God!   What could possibly go wrong?!?

 

I hope for the best,  but absolutely fear the worst.....

In what way are the league's doing business with gambling?  This doesn't have anything to do with the league's.   

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Gambling is like anything else, if you do it in moderation you are fine. Same with drinking alcohol, etc.. I go to the Casino 2 or 3 times a year and take 1000 dollars with me. I go with a friend of mine and we make a weekend out of it because he goes a lot and gets free rooms and free buffet's. I only go 2 or 3 times a year that is the key. It's fun, gets my mind off of things playing the slots, and if I lose around 1000 I quit - sometimes I have won actually (came out ahead) and very rarely have lost 1000 dollars. I have my limit. Unfortunately a lot of people get addicted to gambling, get in debt, lose their house, and it wrecks their family. It's like drinking, I drink a couple of times a week when I am off work, some people do it every day and wrecks their life. Moderation is the key to anything in life.

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I think the Supreme Court pretty much did the only thing they could do. Gambling is already legal in this country. It is determined by the each state. Sports betting was outlawed in 1992 except in Nevada basically...I think Delaware and Oregon too...but basically it was grandfathered in. I think the Supreme Court Decision was basically the only choice they could make. It isn't ok to allow some states to have it and not let others. Now I'm sure there has to be a lot of protections and legal issues in place before a state can start operating. To pick winners and losers is not congress job. To single out only basically one state (and this law likely got passed because of huge lobbying on these casinos part) monopolizes this practice. I see why they opened it up to all states. Basically almost every state allows gambling in some form or another...lottery or some other form. How they manage it should be left up to them. I guess if you don't like gambling and the issues it causes you can move to Utah or Hawaii....or get your state to ban it.

 

I don't gamble....pretty simply it's not my money to spend. God blessed me with the money and I am to be a steward of it. I'm responsible for my actions. I do buy some dumb stuff and make mistakes...but gambling to me I know is a bad investment and it typically goes to support people and organizations that I don't agree with and I know God would not be happy with. So I don't do it. I don't give all my money back to him but I am responsible to make good choices with it and what endevors I choose to support by spending my money there. Just like certain stores or other places I don't spend my money at because I don't believe God would want his money going there (strip clubs and bars and giving money to companies and organizations that don't support my beliefs). Is gambling beneficial in the grand scheme of things...I would say overall that money could go into the economy and support jobs and be used for many good purposes then to play a game of chance. Generally when govt gets involved in something it gets corrupted anyways so even the good from tax money I doubt comes from it. It will be likely squandered away. That said I realize my beliefs and feelings on the subject doesn't mean it should be outlawed. I recognize that and since it is legal for Nevada...it should be legal for any other state if they have the protections etc in place to manage it. Personally I think govt should be in the business of protecting its people and promoting safe and prosperous communities. I don't think gambling is something that does that...but I also know I am not the moral judge of the country. I suspect any money raised from this will likely be squandered away...and the more issues that arise and money needed to address the problems will far strip any money taken in. I'm not a proponent of gambling...but it's here...and what's ok for Nevada should be ok for New Jersey if they so choose.

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4 hours ago, jvan1973 said:

In what way are the league's doing business with gambling?  This doesn't have anything to do with the league's.   

 

The leagues will want a cut....

 

NBA Commishioner Adam Silver has already said his league will want a cut of every bet wagered on the NBA.

 

I think it's that's HUGE mistake....

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1 minute ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

The leagues will want a cut....

 

NBA Commishioner Adam Silver has already said his league will want a cut of every bet wagered on the NBA.

 

I think it's that's HUGE mistake....

Why?

   

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39 minutes ago, dgambill said:

I think the Supreme Court pretty much did the only thing they could do. Gambling is already legal in this country. It is determined by the each state. Sports betting was outlawed in 1992 except in Nevada basically...I think Delaware and Oregon too...but basically it was grandfathered in. I think the Supreme Court Decision was basically the only choice they could make. It isn't ok to allow some states to have it and not let others. Now I'm sure there has to be a lot of protections and legal issues in place before a state can start operating. To pick winners and losers is not congress job. To single out only basically one state (and this law likely got passed because of huge lobbying on these casinos part) monopolizes this practice. I see why they opened it up to all states. Basically almost every state allows gambling in some form or another...lottery or some other form. How they manage it should be left up to them. I guess if you don't like gambling and the issues it causes you can move to Utah or Hawaii....or get your state to ban it.

 

I don't gamble....pretty simply it's not my money to spend. God blessed me with the money and I am to be a steward of it. I'm responsible for my actions. I do buy some dumb stuff and make mistakes...but gambling to me I know is a bad investment and it typically goes to support people and organizations that I don't agree with and I know God would not be happy with. So I don't do it. I don't give all my money back to him but I am responsible to make good choices with it and what endevors I choose to support by spending my money there. Just like certain stores or other places I don't spend my money at because I don't believe God would want his money going there (strip clubs and bars and giving money to companies and organizations that don't support my beliefs). Is gambling beneficial in the grand scheme of things...I would say overall that money could go into the economy and support jobs and be used for many good purposes then to play a game of chance. Generally when govt gets involved in something it gets corrupted anyways so even the good from tax money I doubt comes from it. It will be likely squandered away. That said I realize my beliefs and feelings on the subject doesn't mean it should be outlawed. I recognize that and since it is legal for Nevada...it should be legal for any other state if they have the protections etc in place to manage it. Personally I think govt should be in the business of protecting its people and promoting safe and prosperous communities. I don't think gambling is something that does that...but I also know I am not the moral judge of the country. I suspect any money raised from this will likely be squandered away...and the more issues that arise and money needed to address the problems will far strip any money taken in. I'm not a proponent of gambling...but it's here...and what's ok for Nevada should be ok for New Jersey if they so choose.

People do stupid stuff with their money all the time. There is a couple that lives next door to my parents and they are retired. They bought a Camper for 50,000 dollars so they can travel. They have used it twice in 3 years lmao. Yeah real smart, now they want to sell it and haven't had any luck. You read in the celebrity tabloids all the time where girls like Lindsey Lohan go out by a $25,000 purse when in reality she could buy ALMOST the same nice looking purse for 200 dollars at a local mall. I can think of a lot worse things than gambling in moderation a few times a year and there are 2 examples right there where people just have thrown their money away. Thrown away big money at that.

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14 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Why?

   

 

14 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

Why?

   

 

Because the league getting in bed with gambling is a bad look.   Your credibility is all you have.   Fans must believe the games are honest.

 

That's why it's always been illegal for players to gamble on their own league.  They have inside information about who's good and not.

 

Every late shot that does or doesn't go in or a turnover that happens, some will wonder if someone is throwing a game? 

 

That's poison for any league.

 

I hope I'm wrong but fear I'm right.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, NewColtsFan said:

 

 

Because the league getting in bed with gambling is a bad look.   Your credibility is all you have.   Fans must believe the games are honest.

 

That's why it's always been illegal for players to gamble on their own league.  They have inside information about who's good and not.

 

Every late shot that does or doesn't go in or a turnover that happens, some will wonder if someone is throwing a game? 

 

That's poison for any league.

 

I hope I'm wrong but fear I'm right.

 

 

The Skeptics will always be there

  The MLB survived the Black Sox and Pete Rose

  The NFL survived the Karras and Hourning Scandals

  The NCAA survived the Boston College Basketball Scandal

 

 

    

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3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The Skeptics will always be there

  The MLB survived the Black Sox and Pete Rose

  The NFL survived the Karras and Hourning Scandals

  The NCAA survived the Boston College Basketball Scandal

 

 

    

Pete Rose is probably like DAMN! lmao. Why now haha. Poor guy will never see the Hall and he's the all-time Hits leader.

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Just now, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Pete Rose is probably like DAMN! lmao. Why now haha. Poor guy will never see the Hall and he's the all-time Hits leader.

The ironic thing about the MLB scandals is that both involved the Reds

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2 minutes ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Pete Rose is probably like DAMN! lmao. Why now haha. Poor guy will never see the Hall and he's the all-time Hits leader.

The MLB HOF is a joke

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Just now, PrincetonTiger said:

The MLB HOF is a joke

I agree. I really don't like Pete Rose as a person, betting on his own team + he bashed the Cubs organization and called them losers for years before they won the WS in 2016. Having said that he belongs in the HOFame IMO.

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I agree. I really don't like Pete Rose as a person, betting on his own team + he bashed the Cubs organization and called them losers for years before they won the WS in 2016. Having said that he belongs in the HOFame IMO.

You know I feel over the exclusion of Gil Hodges

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3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

The MLB HOF is a joke

To me the HOF should be seen as educational to generations about the greats that have played. You can't tell the story of baseball without the all-time hit king. Doesn't mean you can't also tell the story of the black eye he caused and a cautionary tale of betting along with his accomplishments and that he has been banned from the game. To just ignore him altogether like he didn't exist is dumb to me. Just like Barry Bonds and many others. I don't care if you put them in their own wing but to have the all-time HR leader not in the HOF when you can't tell the story of baseball in the steroid era without him. Simple enough...just put up a plaque that says baseball experienced a period of PEDs and steroids during the 90s. The game went to great lengths to clean up the game but a great number of players were forever put under the cloud of suspicion due to the shortcuts many did. The HOF doesn't have to say who did and didn't...that's a job for parents to tell their kids...but to leave out these players doesn't make a lot of sense. Juiced pitchers throwing to juiced hitters...numbers were skewed and believe who you want is the HR leader but the facts are the facts and the great players of their generation are the great players.

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1 minute ago, dgambill said:

To me the HOF should be seen as educational to generations about the greats that have played. You can't tell the story of baseball without the all-time hit king. Doesn't mean you can't also tell the story of the black eye he caused and a cautionary tale of betting along with his accomplishments and that he has been banned from the game. To just ignore him altogether like he didn't exist is dumb to me. Just like Barry Bonds and many others. I don't care if you put them in their own wing but to have the all-time HR leader not in the HOF when you can't tell the story of baseball in the steroid era without him. Simple enough...just put up a plaque that says baseball experienced a period of PEDs and steroids during the 90s. The game went to great lengths to clean up the game but a great number of players were forever put under the cloud of suspicion due to the shortcuts many did. The HOF doesn't have to say who did and didn't...that's a job for parents to tell their kids...but to leave out these players doesn't make a lot of sense. Juiced pitchers throwing to juiced hitters...numbers were skewed and believe who you want is the HR leader but the facts are the facts and the great players of their generation are the great players.

My statement was not based on PR but guys like Gil Hodges

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2 minutes ago, dgambill said:

To me the HOF should be seen as educational to generations about the greats that have played. You can't tell the story of baseball without the all-time hit king. Doesn't mean you can't also tell the story of the black eye he caused and a cautionary tale of betting along with his accomplishments and that he has been banned from the game. To just ignore him altogether like he didn't exist is dumb to me. Just like Barry Bonds and many others. I don't care if you put them in their own wing but to have the all-time HR leader not in the HOF when you can't tell the story of baseball in the steroid era without him. Simple enough...just put up a plaque that says baseball experienced a period of PEDs and steroids during the 90s. The game went to great lengths to clean up the game but a great number of players were forever put under the cloud of suspicion due to the shortcuts many did. The HOF doesn't have to say who did and didn't...that's a job for parents to tell their kids...but to leave out these players doesn't make a lot of sense. Juiced pitchers throwing to juiced hitters...numbers were skewed and believe who you want is the HR leader but the facts are the facts and the great players of their generation are the great players.

Great Post, I agree 100%.

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3 minutes ago, PrincetonTiger said:

My statement was not based on PR but guys like Gil Hodges

There are some other guys that should be in too that were like Hodges. Hodges not being in is ridiculous. It took Tim Raines, Andre Dawson, and Jim Rice forever to get it. Harold Baines isn't in which is ridiculous as well.

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1 minute ago, PrincetonTiger said:

My statement was not based on PR but guys like Gil Hodges

Gotcha..obviously before my time so I'm not as familiar with his game. I do know he was a very accomplished player that alone could have landed him in the HOF but I do know maybe his greatest accomplishment was coaching the 1969 Miracle Mets to their first WS. They were a terrible organization and I do know his managing of that team in particular was masterful. I knew he was from Indiana...didn't know he was from Princeton....I can see why your passionate about him! His service during the war and his public life he seemed to be a very honorable man...well worth celebrating in the Hall.

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1 hour ago, dgambill said:

I don't gamble....pretty simply it's not my money to spend. God blessed me with the money and I am to be a steward of it.

That's different. I earned my money.

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I think it's a very good thing. And the easier it will be to place a bet, the better.

I mean instead of having to go to a casino or track they make it as easy as buying lottery tickets at conveinace stores. I think alot of people will enjoy spending a frw bucks on a game more than ping pong balls.

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3 hours ago, Four2itus said:

That's different. I earned my money.

:default_20smile: Yes. I work very hard too. But I am only able to work so hard because I was blessed by God of a good body and sound mind. Some are given greater talents and much is expected of them. I have been blessed with a very good job and good health. God provided me with a wonderful opportunity to work...truly opened doors for me and closed some that I was interested in pursuing (one with a company that is now out of business). I feel I owe everything to my Lord and Savior. Just my personal relationship. He doesn't ask for much...but I try to be respectful of the part I do keep to honor his work in my life. I've been very blessed. I'm not here to tell anyone else what to do with their money. Just know what has worked for me in my life...and I've never been able to out give what he has done for me.

 

As for gambling...I'd prefer not to have it but I respect others rights to do it. I do think the cost of trying to put peoples lives and families back together after the results of gambling..and the message it sends that there can be an easy payoff instead of working hard and saving and putting the money to good use costs the people doing it..and our communities more in money to fix in tax payer money to the poor and in facilities and programs to combat abuse is more than the revenues that comes from it. However, it seems there will be gambling no matter if its legal or not so those problems would need addressed either way. I just worry expanding it may only expand the problems...not just the revenues for these states. Guess we will see.

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Definitely a positive here. However, anyone with inside information has been getting rich for years off sports gambling. It's all about figuring out the story the media tells, and betting on that team to win their respective World Championship. I learned this as far back as 2001 when I was 13 and asked my uncle to bet on the Pats to win the SB because of 9-11. There was Hurricane Katrina and the discussion of it for the Saints. Ray Lewis retiring for the Ravens, Peyton Manning retiring for the Broncos. The 100+ year old curse being broken for the Cubs. Hurricane Irma for the Astros. Lots of Basketball with Lebron and Miami as well. I'm sure there's some hockey stories even though I don't watch it. It's all about learning the story that the media tells, and who they want to win as the feel good story and betting on it.

 

It can be really difficult to figure out sometimes, but it's always there. I'll bet when Brady announces he will retire after season x, the Pats will win a SB to send him off. This will make it easier for people in the know to make money, and a lot of people making random bets will lose a lot more money, making the respective sports leagues rich.

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10 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Definitely a positive here. However, anyone with inside information has been getting rich for years off sports gambling. It's all about figuring out the story the media tells, and betting on that team to win their respective World Championship. I learned this as far back as 2001 when I was 13 and asked my uncle to bet on the Pats to win the SB because of 9-11. There was Hurricane Katrina and the discussion of it for the Saints. Ray Lewis retiring for the Ravens, Peyton Manning retiring for the Broncos. The 100+ year old curse being broken for the Cubs. Hurricane Irma for the Astros. Lots of Basketball with Lebron and Miami as well. I'm sure there's some hockey stories even though I don't watch it. It's all about learning the story that the media tells, and who they want to win as the feel good story and betting on it.

 

It can be really difficult to figure out sometimes, but it's always there. I'll bet when Brady announces he will retire after season x, the Pats will win a SB to send him off. This will make it easier for people in the know to make money, and a lot of people making random bets will lose a lot more money, making the respective sports leagues rich.

Yeah sometimes you can just tell who is going to win it all if you have watched it long enough. I almost knew the Broncos would in 2015. Remember I even picked it before the season because we all knew that would be Peyton's last season. I am a huge Cubs fan but figured it was their time in 2016 as well. Once Durant went to the Warriors that was given too in 2017.

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah sometimes you can just tell who is going win it all if you have watched it long enough. I almost knew the Broncos would in 2015. Remember I even picked it before the season because we all knew that would be Peyton's last season. I am a huge Cubs fan but figured it was their time in 2016 as well. Once Durant went to the Warriors that was given too in 2017.

Oh yeah, the only real decent size bet I've lost is when I bet on the Pats to win the SB in 2007 against the Giants. I thought the story was that the Pats were going to be the new age 72 Dolphins for people to remember. However, the David Tyree helmet catch still makes me think that wasn't supposed to happen, and the NFL didn't get the desired result it wanted. Other than that though, I'm batting 1.000 when betting on world championships based on stories. People will probably criticize me for thinking they are rigged, but the results speak for themselves, and I've bet on these outcomes as well.

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3 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Oh yeah, the only real decent size bet I've lost is when I bet on the Pats to win the SB in 2007 against the Giants. I thought the story was that the Pats were going to be the new age 72 Dolphins for people to remember. However, the David Tyree helmet catch still makes me think that wasn't supposed to happen, and the NFL didn't get the desired result it wanted. Other than that though, I'm batting 1.000 when betting on world championships based on stories. People will probably criticize me for thinking they are rigged, but the results speak for themselves, and I've bet on these outcomes as well.

I have been wrong on a few but I am usually good at picking WS winners, SB winners, and NBA Finals winners. I was wrong last season though, I had Pats over the Eagles but had I bet I would've won because I said take the Eagles and the points.

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

I have been wrong on a few but I am usually good at picking WS winners, SB winners, and NBA Finals winners. I was wrong last season though, I had Pats over the Eagles but had I bet I would've won because I said take the Eagles and the points.

I couldn't figure out any story in that game. What I thought would happen in the playoffs is that the Vikings would make the SB and win it because no team has ever played in their own stadium in a SB before. After that didn't happen, I was a bit unsure. I bet on the Eagles and took the points, but only because I believe they are saving one more SB win for the Pats for when Brady retires. That was the only reasoning toward my bet, and I only bet $25 on this SB as opposed to $100 or more that I usually bet.

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1 minute ago, Jared Cisneros said:

I couldn't figure out any story in that game. What I thought would happen in the playoffs is that the Vikings would make the SB and win it because no team has ever played in their own stadium in a SB before. After that didn't happen, I was a bit unsure. I bet on the Eagles and took the points, but only because I believe they are saving one more SB win for the Pats for when Brady retires. That was the only reasoning toward my bet, and I only bet $25 on this SB as opposed to $100 or more that I usually bet.

Yeah I was way off when it came to Eagles/Vikings. I thought Vikings would win straight up and they got blown out. That was one time I was glad I didn't bet. After the Eagles won that, they made me a believer. Once I seen they were getting more than 3 points vs the Pats, I said take the points.

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1 minute ago, 2006Coltsbestever said:

Yeah I was way off when it came to Eagles/Vikings. I thought Vikings would win straight up and they got blown out. That was one time I was glad I didn't bet. After the Eagles won that, they made me a believer. Once I seen they were getting more than 3 points vs the Pats, I said take the points.

Same here. I was waiting for the SB, and I was going to bet on the Vikings. Didn't happen though. That one was a curve ball. Usually, the likely outcome is the wrong one in sports betting. So you have to look at the whole picture. Both the Eagles and Vikings were good matchups Vs the Pats, and I didn't think the Pats would win anyway. However, it seemed like a random SB, so I couldn't make a huge bet on it.

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2 minutes ago, Jared Cisneros said:

Same here. I was waiting for the SB, and I was going to bet on the Vikings. Didn't happen though. That one was a curve ball. Usually, the likely outcome is the wrong one in sports betting. So you have to look at the whole picture. Both the Eagles and Vikings were good matchups Vs the Pats, and I didn't think the Pats would win anyway. However, it seemed like a random SB, so I couldn't make a huge bet on it.

Yeah there have been some unpredictable curveballs that is for sure. That is how Vegas stays rich. The 2007 SB like you said was unreal. I never thought the Pats would lose to the Giants in a million years. When the Cubs were down 3-1 in the WS in 2016 I couldn't believe that either but they came back and won.

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