superrep1967

Charlie Casserly Report: Luck to be full go for Training Camp

Recommended Posts

This is all the same stuff we heard last season at this time. If you read carefully, it says Colts brass are "Confident" Luck will be ready. They don't know for sure, they are confident, which to me means they are hoping. Ill wait till the season gets underway to make any solid conclusions, especially after they gave us this exact dribble last year around this time and he didn't play a single game.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So let me get this straight, COME tc AL is miraculously supposed to all of a sudden throw a real FB for the first time in ages?  Wouldn’t you want to slowly ease into throwing instead of going full bore w/ a flick of a switch?  Doesn’t make sense.

  • Confused 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, NDcolt said:

So let me get this straight, COME tc AL is miraculously supposed to all of a sudden throw a real FB for the first time in ages?  Wouldn’t you want to slowly ease into throwing instead of going full bore w/ a flick of a switch?  Doesn’t make sense.

 

No flick of a switch.

 

You know they’ll ease him in. Pitch and catch for a number of throws, take two days off, see how he feels, little more next time, etc.  

 

I just hope he plays a preseason game or two.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
25 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

No flick of a switch.

 

You know they’ll ease him in. Pitch and catch for a number of throws, take two days off, see how he feels, little more next time, etc.  

 

I just hope he plays a preseason game or two.  

That's why he needs to start throwing in June and work with the receivers before training camp to get the timing down. His first throws of real footballs shouldn't just be when training camp starts. He needs to start throwing game balls in June behind the scenes and then only then will they will know if he's full go at the start of training camp.IMO

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, superrep1967 said:

That's why he needs to start throwing in June and work with the receivers before training camp to get the timing down. His first throws of real footballs shouldn't just be when training camp starts. He needs to start throwing game balls in June behind the scenes and then only then will they will know if he's full go at the start of training camp.IMO

Luck needs to start throwing when his rehab schedule calls for it. Not before. Having him throw before he is ready will just put him behind schedule.

I don't know when that time will be but me, you nor anyone else's opinion dictates of when he starts throwing.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, TdungyW/12 said:

It doesn’t bother me I think it’s funny! 

 

The headline can be Luck throwing a football 60 yards for a TD in practice with the tittle luck 100% and back and they would still find a way to throw a fit. People have 0 faith and society needs that gratification of wanting results NOW or they move on!

 

He tossed a football around once in the past 17 months. This whole thing is unprecedented...so I don't think you can chalk it up to people just wanting instant gratification at this point. 

 

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, shastamasta said:

 

He tossed a football around once in the past 17 months. This whole thing is unprecedented...so I don't think you can chalk it up to people just wanting instant gratification at this point. 

 

Well what would you chalk it up to? Most are not willing to let the rehab process work itself out. I have even read where some said he should start throwing at a certain time like they know better than the specialist do.

Patience is the only way to deal with it. Making comments about if Luck don't do this or do that serves no purpose at this point. He will throw a football when he is ready and not before, What a fan wants will have no bearing on it.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So on this magical day when he DOES throw a football, will it be televised?  Will Jim Gray be there?  I need to know because I'm going to invite friends over, but first I've got to go out and get party favors, a keg or two, chips and some more Orville Redenbacher popcorn.

  • Haha 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Isn't throwing a weighted ball harder than a football? I think so and think this is the big difference from last year.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

To the Colts 2018 offensive line, remember the police motto, "Protect and Serve".

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/11/2018 at 5:16 PM, Smonroe said:

Remind me, what did the Colts brass say about Luck this time last year?

 

Hate to be that guy, but yeah. We’ve spent some time at this fork in the road. 

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
49 minutes ago, C0LT5 said:

Isn't throwing a weighted ball harder than a football? I think so and think this is the big difference from last year.

A lot is different than last year. Luck has seen and is being treated by Tom House and Adam Dedeaux. The two best trainers in the business.

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
  • Sad 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/11/2018 at 4:24 PM, TheRustonRifle#7 said:

I will pay for "The Sunday Ticket" again IF Luck is healthy.......now he has ATT and Direct TV on his side...good mojo?

I'm in the same boat, but in an out-of-market area that is only about a four-hour drive from Indy. We canceled the Sunday Ticket at the end of last season, and I won't be renewing or buying any more single-game tickets until we have some solid evidence that this isn't just the same old song and dance we got last year. Once bitten, twice shy.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

A lot is different than last year. Luck has seen and is being treated by Tom House and Adam Dedeaux. The two best trainers in the business.

 

Not trying to be negative, just not buying anything until it happens.  

 

Colts nation will breathe a huge sigh of relief when Luck starts his second game.  

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Not trying to be negative, just not buying anything until it happens.  

 

Colts nation will breathe a huge sigh of relief when Luck starts his second game.  

It's understandable for sure. I think we all will breath a little better when we see Luck slinging the ball.

My only point was the difference between this season and last. 

With that said I am not too happy that Luck didn't have the surgery done right after the injury happened. Who knows how much more damage was done by continuing to play?

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/11/2018 at 5:23 PM, Superman said:

Nothing matters until Week 1. Even then, some will be waiting for the other shoe to drop. 

 

I only care when he is in practice getting first team reps and performing 11 on 11 drills.  That's when I become interested in the 'performance'.

 

On 5/11/2018 at 10:08 PM, Jbatc18 said:

If he is throwing weighted balls consistently with no pain or setback, im not worried about him throwing THE DUKE.  

 

9 hours ago, C0LT5 said:

Isn't throwing a weighted ball harder than a football? I think so and think this is the big difference from last year.

 

Here's the difference to me.  Throwing (anything, including weighted balls) in rehab or strength conditioning program(s) is a lot different than throwing in a live practice (11 on 11) or game.  In rehab/conditioning program, there is no pass rush, no defenders sticking up hands to block throwing lanes, nobody to move the QB off his spot. etc.  The QB practices mechanics and footwork in a perfect static setting.

 

In a practice or game, there is a pass rush, defenders trying to deflect passes, and it now becomes a very dynamic activity - totally different than throwing 'weighted' balls.  Also, if they have changed Lucks mechanics while trying strengthen his shoulder, he may do it well in rehab but 'revert' back to old form under pressure.  It's human nature.  That is why I prefer to wait until he gets in some 11 on 11 and see how he fares then.  Hopefully with excellence, though. And without any setbacks.

  • Like 2
  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

A lot is different than last year. Luck has seen and is being treated by Tom House and Adam Dedeaux. The two best trainers in the business.

 

Blake Bortles also used them to fix his mechanics. Tim Tebow used him too.  If Luck is indeed learning new mechanics, there’s a good chance he’ll revert when the bullets start flying. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, deedub75 said:

 

Blake Bortles also used them to fix his mechanics. Tim Tebow used him too.  If Luck is indeed learning new mechanics, there’s a good chance he’ll revert when the bullets start flying. 

 

Indeed, I mention this just above.  If he is, that could be unless it is done so often for so long that it becomes the 'new' normal.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 hours ago, ColtsBlueFL said:

 

I only care when he is in practice getting first team reps and performing 11 on 11 drills.  That's when I become interested in the 'performance'.

 

 

 

Here's the difference to me.  Throwing (anything, including weighted balls) in rehab or strength conditioning program(s) is a lot different than throwing in a live practice (11 on 11) or game.  In rehab/conditioning program, there is no pass rush, no defenders sticking up hands to block throwing lanes, nobody to move the QB off his spot. etc.  The QB practices mechanics and footwork in a perfect static setting.

 

In a practice or game, there is a pass rush, defenders trying to deflect passes, and it now becomes a very dynamic activity - totally different than throwing 'weighted' balls.  Also, if they have changed Lucks mechanics while trying strengthen his shoulder, he may do it well in rehab but 'revert' back to old form under pressure.  It's human nature.  That is why I prefer to wait until he gets in some 11 on 11 and see how he fares then.  Hopefully with excellence, though. And without any setbacks.

Well I hope they try to ease him into those types  of drills. If they are doing that to him the first week of TC, they are asking for trouble. I would prefer a healthy but rusty Luck than another set back...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, deedub75 said:

 

Blake Bortles also used them to fix his mechanics. Tim Tebow used him too.  If Luck is indeed learning new mechanics, there’s a good chance he’ll revert when the bullets start flying. 

So has Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Matthew Stafford and Drew Brees.

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 6:18 PM, NewColtsFan said:

 

You're right.....

 

What do I know?    I mean,  it's not like I didn't spend 30 years in the media covering events like this.

 

It's not like I didn't predict the mess repeatedly last year....   it's not like I didn't point out the Luck's actions didn't match up with the words being said by Luck and Ballard and Irsay throughout the offseason and the 2017 season as well.

 

Its not like I haven't been talking about this precise issue for over a year --- the Colts failure to control their own message.

 

Yeah....   What do I know?    What was I thinking?

 

 

do you want a pat on the back? toot that horn bro

  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, deedub75 said:

 

Blake Bortles also used them to fix his mechanics. Tim Tebow used him too.  If Luck is indeed learning new mechanics, there’s a good chance he’ll revert when the bullets start flying. 

They do more than teach mechanics. They teach a lot of shoulder strengthening exercises and movements. I expected him to go there after watching the video someone posted about the 30 year old high school coach, with a shattered elbow, throwing 90+ mph pitches after he developed a new training regime. Tom house incorporated this into his program. Deals with strengthening the rear shoulder motions that occur after release as much as the front ones used in throwing before release. Increases the overall strength, speed, control, and accuracy of the arm.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/11/2018 at 6:18 PM, NewColtsFan said:

 

You're right.....

 

What do I know?    I mean,  it's not like I didn't spend 30 years in the media covering events like this.

 

It's not like I didn't predict the mess repeatedly last year....   it's not like I didn't point out the Luck's actions didn't match up with the words being said by Luck and Ballard and Irsay throughout the offseason and the 2017 season as well.

 

Its not like I haven't been talking about this precise issue for over a year --- the Colts failure to control their own message.

 

Yeah....   What do I know?    What was I thinking?

 

 

 

Social media? Like myspace and yahoo messenger? 

 

Oh wait 30 years you say? Billboards and posters stapled to telephone poles? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

enough with the personal back and forth please

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would expect Luck with be limited at TC, not "Full Go".  He is still not throwing and once he starts, i think they will bring him along slowly, just as they have been doing.  Likely we will have to temper our expectations and just hope he is ready for the 1st real game. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If Casserly is convinced, then who am I to doubt it. Plus, every action the Colts have taken this year indicate their belief in Luck's return.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah, he'll be ready to go. Oh, and after nearly 17 months after surgery he's still not throwing a football. Just sayin'...

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If he is ready on day 1 of camp it will be a good thing.  There is going to be a lot of rust for him to shake off.  So he's going to need all the practice sessions he can get.  

 

Hopefully him and his receivers put in some extra work on their timing too.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I figured they wanted to wait until Training Camp to start the throwing process with Luck. Luck's been playing the sport and position nearly his entire life and doesn't need six months of throwing the ball to work out the kinks. If the shoulder is good and ready to go then a good six weeks or so he should be feeling like the Andrew Luck we had pre-2015.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 5/12/2018 at 4:45 PM, crazycolt1 said:

Luck needs to start throwing when his rehab schedule calls for it. Not before. Having him throw before he is ready will just put him behind schedule.

I don't know when that time will be but me, you nor anyone else's opinion dictates of when he starts throwing.

I know that I'm just saying what he needs to do but if he's not ready then he's not ready. But he needs to start throwing then whether he's set to do that remains to be seen or in our case heard. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 hours ago, ThatOneColtFan said:

Wonder if his throwing motion will change.

I would think his mechanics would change to maximize his throwing motion.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bleacher Report is saying that today, 5/17, marks 500 days since Andrew Luck threw a football in any meaningful way. FIVE. HUNDRED. DAYS. ?! 

 

If I were an objective football fan looking at that, I’d be really surprised the Colts didn’t take a chance at a QB this draft.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, CamMo said:

Bleacher Report is saying that today, 5/17, marks 500 days since Andrew Luck threw a football in any meaningful way. FIVE. HUNDRED. DAYS. ?! 

 

If I were an objective football fan looking at that, I’d be really surprised the Colts didn’t take a chance at a QB this draft.

 

Except that Bleacher Report doesn't have the access to information that the Colts do.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now