The big Nelson gamble

[azcolt]

Nelson may well be an all-pro olineman for the next decade, but unless Luck returns to elite status for the next decade Ballard will never live down his decision to pass on a qb in the first round. I can’t see this working out well for the Colts. How many hits will Luck be able to take?

[SteelDragon]

Obviously, Colt's brass feels very strongly that he will return to elite status. In fact, looking at the results of the draft, I would say, they're all in 100%

[2006Coltsbestever]

[ClaytonColt]

7 minutes ago, azcolt said:

Nelson may well be an all-pro olineman for the next decade, but unless Luck returns to elite status for the next decade Ballard will never live down his decision to pass on a qb in the first round. I can’t see this working out well for the Colts. How many hits will Luck be able to take?

If Luck doesn't come back as elite we'll probably have a pretty good shot at drafting the best quarterback in the draft next year anyway!

[MFT5]

this is outrageously dumb 

[dodsworth]

Reich's system won it all with Folz last year, the Pats do well with any 

QB they roll out on the turf. A top notch QB isn't required in certain systems,

so regardless who plays on Sunday we should be better off than in 

Years past.

 

[aaron11]

taking a QB would have been a gamble too.  what if luck is fine?

 

we could always trade the Qb later, but then we risk them losing value by looking bad in preseason or whatever.   

[Nostrils]

Wah wah boo hoo NONSTOP!!!

[Trueman]

I’m not even sure where to begin...

 

man....

 

[Smonroe]

16 minutes ago, azcolt said:

Nelson may well be an all-pro olineman for the next decade, but unless Luck returns to elite status for the next decade Ballard will never live down his decision to pass on a qb in the first round. I can’t see this working out well for the Colts. How many hits will Luck be able to take?

 

Even if Luck is done, why would the Colts take one of those QBs when they have Brissett?  

[ColtStrong2013]

Even if Brissett is under qb this season because of Luck's shoulder, things should go much better because of Nelson and Smith. I'd be actually interested to see what kind of a qb he'd be under Frank's system and a decent o-line. I thought he played tremendous last season in a dumbed-down predictable offense and an offensive line plugged with guys off the street. Andrew will be better than ever if he steps on that field this year. Book it.

[Manroth19]

Nelson Smith and Kelly ain’t letting 12’s jersey get dirty again

[Cynjin]

Another in a long line of dumb threads/posts.

[LJpalmbeacher2]

6 minutes ago, Cynjin said:

Another in a long line of dumb threads/posts.

So you know for sure that Luck will return this season 100% healthy & effective and remain healthy & effective?

 

Well the OP doesn't and I'm sure some others don't either.

[jvan1973]

37 minutes ago, azcolt said:

Nelson may well be an all-pro olineman for the next decade, but unless Luck returns to elite status for the next decade Ballard will never live down his decision to pass on a qb in the first round. I can’t see this working out well for the Colts. How many hits will Luck be able to take?

No GM would have drafted a QB in this situation.   Nonsense

Just now, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

So you know for sure that Luck will return this season 100% healthy & effective and remain healthy & effective?

 

Well the OP doesn't and I'm sure some others don't either.

I'm sure the folks on 56th street do

[LJpalmbeacher2]

21 minutes ago, Smonroe said:

 

Even if Luck is done, why would the Colts take one of those QBs when they have Brissett?  

Well I'm sure some don't feel Brissett's ceiling is as high as Rosen.

[Solon]

[LJpalmbeacher2]

4 minutes ago, jvan1973 said:

No GM would have drafted a QB in this situation.   Nonsense

I'm sure the folks on 56th street do

The folks on 56th street thought he'd be back last year too.

[jvan1973]

Just now, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

The folks on 56th street thought he'd be back last year too.

Or did they?  

[Cynjin]

3 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

So you know for sure that Luck will return this season 100% healthy & effective and remain healthy & effective?

 

Well the OP doesn't and I'm sure some others don't either.

 

I'm not the one who needs to know.  I am hopeful that he will, based on the obvious weightlifting he has been doing.  Luck looks much better than he did last year at this time.  However, that has little to do with what I was posting.

[mad dog curtis]

no gamble at all  the line will be better this year good draft

[Dilger85]

Nelson was one of the top 3 PLAYERS in this draft according to many. If you have a little bit of hope that Luck comes back you don’t draft a QB that is undeserving. Allen, Rosen, and Jackson were the 1st round quarterbacks taken after Nelson and all have huge flaws. Bad franchises draft like you are suggesting not ones that know what they are doing. 

[ColtsBlitz]

So because LUCK may or may not be healthy, it’s a reason to pass on the best player in this years draft? uuuuuuuhh...

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, azcolt said:

Nelson may well be an all-pro olineman for the next decade, but unless Luck returns to elite status for the next decade Ballard will never live down his decision to pass on a qb in the first round. I can’t see this working out well for the Colts. How many hits will Luck be able to take?

How many hits can Luck take? 

 

Well he'll take a whole lot less with Nelson on that line. Will also improve our run game. 

 

I am am a firm believer in building your team in the trenches. You control the lines it makes your skill players better

[Fisticuffs111]

35 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

So you know for sure that Luck will return this season 100% healthy & effective and remain healthy & effective?

 

Well the OP doesn't and I'm sure some others don't either.

 

They were never gonna take a QB with the 1st pick. It’d be a PR disaster and everybody would assume the worst about Luck. Even if they are concerned, they’re at least gonna wait and see how he looks when he comes back this year before doing anything like that.

[IinD]

I'd assume they would have taken the offer(s) for AL if he was toast.

 

But man, some threads are brutal. 

[2006Coltsbestever]

48 minutes ago, Cynjin said:

Another in a long line of dumb threads/posts.

I may have to rank this GEM in my Top 10 ever in here

[shasta519]

12 minutes ago, Dilger85 said:

Nelson was one of the top 3 PLAYERS in this draft according to many. If you have a little bit of hope that Luck comes back you don’t draft a QB that is undeserving. Allen, Rosen, and Jackson were the 1st round quarterbacks taken after Nelson and all have huge flaws. Bad franchises draft like you are suggesting not ones that know what they are doing. 

 

Look at the franchises that have drafted a G in the top 10. It goes both ways.

 

But there was no way they were drafting a QB.

[jet1968]

Even if luck doesn’t return to elite status, if the colts hadn’t fixed the offensive line they would be right back to the same problem. Which is the quarterback getting hit every time he touches the ball. Or running backs getting hit before they get to the line of scrimmage. We finally have a gm that has a clue where the games are won. Fix the trenches then you have at least a chance to win no matter who is taking the snaps

[Myles]

1 hour ago, azcolt said:

Nelson may well be an all-pro olineman for the next decade, but unless Luck returns to elite status for the next decade Ballard will never live down his decision to pass on a qb in the first round. I can’t see this working out well for the Colts. How many hits will Luck be able to take?

Nelson was the least gamble they could have taken.  

[Legend of Luck]

Don't feed the troll. This thread should be shut down and locked.

[shasta519]

If Luck isn't back, Foles will be plan A. So there really wasn't much risk passing on a QB.

[Four2itus]

Somewhere...at a particular ip address....there is a happy disrupter. 

 

 

 

[SteelCityColt]

2 hours ago, Legend of Luck said:

Don't feed the troll. This thread should be shut down and locked.

 

If I may, I don’t think the OP is trolling given their history, to write off an opinion as trolling just because you don’t agree with it, it’s lazy. 

 

Now you could debunk by examining the logic of the situation and showing there’s no scenario where taking a QB makes sense:

 

1) Luck comes back, plays at a decent level, maybe some rust. A better O line helps a lot with this. Sure he might get injured further down the line but that’s the risk with ANY player. 

2) Luck doesn’t come back, JB starts and proves he’s a viable starter, again O line helps.

3) Same as 2 but JB sucks, likely we would be picking high again in 2019 and a lot can happen in the college landscape or even in FA between then and now. 

 

The only scenario it doesn’t make sense is if they think Luck is done and I doubt they’d have traded out of 3 then. 

 

I do think the Nelson pick was a low risk gamble in terms of player but a low pay off too in some respects. I was for trading down and taking Edmunds, using the 2s to trade back into the 1st. If he (or Smith even) proves to be a star then it will be hard not to ask what if.

[DonnieDarko1023]

So the team was supposed to draft another QB with Luck and Brissett already on the roster?.....another thing that gets overlooked with the drafting of Nelson is how much he will help the running game and I’m sure who ever lines up at QB will greatly appreciate that  

[a06cc]

If Luck doesn’t come back healthy this still wasn’t a bad move. If we needed a new quarterback then he’d have an offensive line. Something Luck never had until Irsay was singing his Ballard

[Creekside]

I'm happy with Brissett.

[Indyfan4life]

The insanity continues. 

[SteelCityColt]

5 minutes ago, Indyfan4life said:

The insanity continues. 

 

A description of many long term relationships..

[Lucky Colts Fan]

37 minutes ago, egg said:

I'm happy with Brissett.

 

And Brissett is HAPPY with Nelson!

 

Seems about 50/50 whether or not Luck starts week 1, but if it is Brissett, I bet he has a better game than any he had last year...

 

That might not be saying much, but I'm willing to put on the Colts doing better than 4-12, even if Brissett starts all 16 games.