2018 AFC South will be the most competitive division

[Hooksalot]

On 2/25/2018 at 8:24 PM, crazycolt1 said:

Think what you want. I think their defense is only going to get better.

Bortles don't have to be a great QB for the Jags to win.

This so much.  They are the team to beat in the AFC South.  Period.  it was not a fluke.  They had to sign Bortles because they knew what they had.  What were they going to do, let him go free agency and then be stuck again.  No, it was a good signing.

[NannyMcafee]

On 2/25/2018 at 6:53 PM, CR91 said:

Really hard to say that since both us and the texans finished 4-12, but if we look at the players coming back for both teams, watson watt and mercilus and and of course a potential healthy andrew luck who hasn't been healthy since his mvp like 2014 season. The jaguars and titans both won playoffs games and are set for future success. This division isn't the cake walk it was during the manning years or andrew's early years anymore. This division will be something to watch from now. 

 

It wasn't really even a cake walk during the Manning years. Titans and jaguars were competitive most seasons. I truly don't understand everyone's hate for the colts because of an easy division. 

[crazycolt1]

3 hours ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Yeah he has that over all of us but, still I think they don’t want to over pay a new QB like cousins and they don’t want to draft a rookie seeing as they went to the championship game. Watch bortles will go back to his normal 18 int and 7 TD self again. 

 

If if not I will gladly accept I was wrong.

Well you did fail to mention the year he threw 18 interceptions he threw 35 TDs with a QB rating of 88.2. Oh, and by the way he also threw for 4,428 yards.

So you have already started out wrong.

[crazycolt1]

2 hours ago, Lucky Colts Fan said:

 

Yet we're all still here, every day, giving our opinions, while poopooing on others' opinions...

 

 

(I had to do it Crazy, you walked right into that one! )

At least I know where I stand and it means zero.

[TdungyW/12]

12 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Well you did fail to mention the year he threw 18 interceptions he threw 35 TDs with a QB rating of 88.2. Oh, and by the way he also threw for 4,428 yards.

So you have already started out wrong.

I didn’t start out anything .... I’m not out to show his every year stats I’m just saying he isn’t the answer and he isn’t worth the extension. They were merely stuck in between signing a mediocre QB, over paying someone like cousins, or starting over with a rookie in the draft so they chose the easy way out. They gave him an extension after this season when 85% of their success was def. and THATS what they are hoping happens next year and they don’t get what the majority of his career has been QB which is the one that showed up against the bills and the one the CANT depend on to win a game and throw it 10 yards to win a championship game. He just isn’t the answer and I feel they were stuck. 

[TdungyW/12]

On 2/26/2018 at 12:55 AM, LockeDown said:

One word.  Coughlin.  I fear his influence on that team.  

I fear he had no options other then these 3.

 

1. Sign you’re mediocore QB to an extension and rely on your def

2. Overpay a free agent QB like cousins 

3. Start over with a rookie QB. 

 

He chose the easiest of the 3 and will rely on his def to get him back and HOPE/PRAY bortles doesn’t resort back to his crappy self. 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, TdungyW/12 said:

I didn’t start out anything .... I’m not out to show his every year stats I’m just saying he isn’t the answer and he isn’t worth the extension. They were merely stuck in between signing a mediocre QB, over paying someone like cousins, or starting over with a rookie in the draft so they chose the easy way out. They gave him an extension after this season when 85% of their success was def. and THATS what they are hoping happens next year and they don’t get what the majority of his career has been QB which is the one that showed up against the bills and the one the CANT depend on to win a game and throw it 10 yards to win a championship game. He just isn’t the answer and I feel they were stuck. 

Well that's funny. He threw for a little more yardage in the AFC championship game than Brady. He had the Jags ahead till 2 minutes left in the game. Now I can't list too many QBs that hasn't lost to the patriots at the end of the game when it was the defense who was responsible, not the QB. NO, you jumped on the internet band wagon and it's easier to rag on him without seeing all the factors.

Were you even aware he was playing with a wrist injury most of the year? Not too many did.

[crazycolt1]

3 minutes ago, TdungyW/12 said:

I fear he had no options other then these 3.

 

1. Sign you’re mediocore QB to an extension and rely on your def

2. Overpay a free agent QB like cousins 

3. Start over with a rookie QB. 

 

He chose the easiest of the 3 and will rely on his def to get him back and HOPE/PRAY bortles doesn’t resort back to his crappy self. 

Coughlin has never went with the easiest way. Look at his track record. Like it or not, he knows how to win and has the ability to read players and change with the times.

[TdungyW/12]

14 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Well that's funny. He threw for a little more yardage in the AFC championship game than Brady. He had the Jags ahead till 2 minutes left in the game. Now I can't list too many QBs that hasn't lost to the patriots at the end of the game when it was the defense who was responsible, not the QB. NO, you jumped on the internet band wagon and it's easier to rag on him without seeing all the factors.

Were you even aware he was playing with a wrist injury most of the year? Not too many did.

I didn’t jump on any band wagon ... I’ve thought he was trash from day 1 and he will go slip back into mediocrity next year. Explain 1 thing to me why he couldn’t close the game out and get his team to the SB and why the cocaches didn’t trust him enough to throw the ball over 10 yards to get a first down? Please try because I don’t give a crap if he made it to where he did on the back of his defense .... like many QB’s have; Wilson and unfortunately manning did in his final year. I didn’t read a single post in the comment section before I replied the first time. This is MY opinion not anyone else .... so feel free to disagree with me but don’t tell me I jumped on a band wagon and took the easy way out in trashing him. 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, TdungyW/12 said:

I didn’t jump on any band wagon ... I’ve thought he was trash from day 1 and he will go slip back into mediocrity next year. Explain 1 thing to me why he couldn’t close the game out and get his team to the SB and why the cocaches didn’t trust him enough to throw the ball over 10 yards to get a first down? Please try because I don’t give a crap if he made it to where he did on the back of his defense .... like many QB’s have; Wilson and unfortunately manning did in his final year. I didn’t read a single post in the comment section before I replied the first time. This is MY opinion not anyone else .... so feel free to disagree with me but don’t tell me I jumped on a band wagon and took the easy way out in trashing him. 

OK, if you say so.

[TdungyW/12]

14 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Coughlin has never went with the easiest way. Look at his track record. Like it or not, he knows how to win and has the ability to read players and change with the times.

You have got to be kidding me .... he took the EASIEST of the options in just resigning his crap QB. I didn’t say coughlin career has been easy route or he loves taking the easy route in everything he does ... nor have I trashed coughlin .... my son is a giants fan and has been for 10 years now so I actually like coughlin. He just chose out of the 3 options I stated to do the easiest and hope his def carries his crap QB again. 

[TdungyW/12]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

OK, if you say so.

Would you like to explain to me why it is that his own coaches don’t trust him to throw the ball when it matters? 

 

What happened in the bills game IS bortles .... even crappy QB’s have their time .... Flacco, kenum, Foles, Brock etc ... just because you stick a mediocre manageable QB on a good team does not make him worth the extension. 

[crazycolt1]

3 minutes ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Would you like to explain to me why it is that his own coaches don’t trust him to throw the ball when it matters? 

 

What happened in the bills game IS bortles .... even crappy QB’s have their time .... Flacco, kenum, Foles, Brock etc ... just because you stick a mediocre manageable QB on a good team does not make him worth the extension. 

It's easy. The Jags have the best running game in the league. It's not rocket science.

[TdungyW/12]

4 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

It's easy. The Jags have the best running game in the league. It's not rocket science.

Oh come on .... there was too much time on the clock and they needed 11-15 yards. They didn’t trust bortles to throw the ball 10 yards down the field .... why!? Go watch the bills game. 

[crazycolt1]

4 minutes ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Oh come on .... there was too much time on the clock and they needed 11-15 yards. They didn’t trust bortles to throw the ball 10 yards down the field .... why!? Go watch the bills game. 

You ask for an explanation and when you get one all you want to do is argue. No thanks.

[shasta519]

On 2/25/2018 at 8:06 PM, crazycolt1 said:

So did the Jags lose some defensive players?  They made the AFC championship game with Bortles and I don't see them dropping at all.

 

They led the NFL (or were near the top) in several categories. Regression from that level of play last season is a solid bet. That's not to say they won't be good though.

[Reality Check]

Great off-season fodder but let's face it....

 

-ALL NFL teams will undergo 25-30% roster turnover form last season

-Free agency hasn't started yet

-Draft picks are far from "clear" at this point

-MAJOR injuries will start happening asa training camp starts

 

Last yr at this time, the AFC West was supposed to dominate...and the Raiders were considered (by most) to challenge the Pats for AFC supremacy....and who was picking the Jags to be in the playoffs (let alone making it to the AFCCG)?

 

Like I said, great talk....but only a fool would bet on a "February roster".  I'll choose to wait until early Sept before playing Nostradamus....

[crazycolt1]

6 minutes ago, shastamasta said:

 

They led the NFL (or were near the top) in several categories. Regression from that level of play last season is a solid bet. That's not to say they won't be good though.

Sorry, nothing in the NFL is a solid bet.

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, Reality Check said:

Great off-season fodder but let's face it....

 

-ALL NFL teams will undergo 25-30% roster turnover form last season

-Free agency hasn't started yet

-Draft picks are far from "clear" at this point

-MAJOR injuries will start happening asa training camp starts

 

Last yr at this time, the AFC West was supposed to dominate...and the Raiders were considered (by most) to challenge the Pats for AFC supremacy....and who was picking the Jags to be in the playoffs (let alone making it to the AFCCG)?

 

Like I said, great talk....but only a fool would bet on a "February roster".  I'll choose to wait until early Sept before playing Nostradamus....

Good points.

[shasta519]

11 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

Sorry, nothing in the NFL is a solid bet.

 

They led the league in sacks, takeaways and overall pass defense. If they had finished the league in fewest points allowed (they ended up 2nd to MIN), they would have the been the first team to do that since the merger.

 

AND...they also lead the league in run offense.

 

Regression from that is almost a given.

 

[LockeDown]

The Jags beat us like nobody else this past season.  We should respect them until it’s time not to.

[TdungyW/12]

1 hour ago, crazycolt1 said:

You ask for an explanation and when you get one all you want to do is argue. No thanks.

Not arguing and I heard your explanation it’s just a cop out. 

 

Its talked about on the networks as well bortles is not trusted by his staff to get the job done .... you don’t take your foot off the gas against the Patriots .... ask the falcons ... you do what the eagles did and attack until the end! Bortles can’t be trusted to win a game he’s asked to do the minimum and don’t give it away like he normally does and did .... he did not deserve the extension there is better out there they just didn’t want to over pay

[crazycolt1]

7 minutes ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Not arguing and I heard your explanation it’s just a cop out. 

 

Its talked about on the networks as well bortles is not trusted by his staff to get the job done .... you don’t take your foot off the gas against the Patriots .... ask the falcons ... you do what the eagles did and attack until the end! Bortles can’t be trusted to win a game he’s asked to do the minimum and don’t give it away like he normally does and did .... he did not deserve the extension there is better out there they just didn’t want to over pay

You continuing this is an argument. Just stop. I have nothing more to say and even if I did who cares? No one.

[TdungyW/12]

29 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

You continuing this is an argument. Just stop. I have nothing more to say and even if I did who cares? No one.

 Have a good day. 

[Reality Check]

16 hours ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Not arguing and I heard your explanation it’s just a cop out. 

 

Its talked about on the networks as well bortles is not trusted by his staff to get the job done .... you don’t take your foot off the gas against the Patriots .... ask the falcons ... you do what the eagles did and attack until the end! Bortles can’t be trusted to win a game he’s asked to do the minimum and don’t give it away like he normally does and did .... he did not deserve the extension there is better out there they just didn’t want to over pay

 

Huh?....

 

The whole knock on the Falcons is that THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THEIR FOOT OFF THE GAS vs. the Patriots.

 

If you remember correctly. they only needed to kick a FG (from the 21yd line) after the Julio Jones sideline catch.  This would have given them an 11pt lead.  Instead, the Falcons tried 2 pass plays following that....and got called for holding on one and Ryan got sacked on the next play....which left them out of FG range.

 

Why they chose to throw when they only needed to do 2 simple run plays & kick a FG to win the SB, I'll never know!?!?

 

BOTTOM LINE:  They should have gone "conservative" following the Jones catch.

[TdungyW/12]

1 hour ago, Reality Check said:

 

Huh?....

 

The whole knock on the Falcons is that THEY SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THEIR FOOT OFF THE GAS vs. the Patriots.

 

If you remember correctly. they only needed to kick a FG (from the 21yd line) after the Julio Jones sideline catch.  This would have given them an 11pt lead.  Instead, the Falcons tried 2 pass plays following that....and got called for holding on one and Ryan got sacked on the next play....which left them out of FG range.

 

Why they chose to throw when they only needed to do 2 simple run plays & kick a FG to win the SB, I'll never know!?!?

 

BOTTOM LINE:  They should have gone "conservative" following the Jones catch.

Regardless they came out in the second half cold and changed things around instead of putting the knife in they tried to run and kill the clock more then going for the kill like they did in the first half. 

[tweezy32]

20 hours ago, crazycolt1 said:

Well you did fail to mention the year he threw 18 interceptions he threw 35 TDs with a QB rating of 88.2. Oh, and by the way he also threw for 4,428 yards.

So you have already started out wrong.

Hes not good at all.  He booty cheeks

[Reality Check]

3 minutes ago, TdungyW/12 said:

Regardless they came out in the second half cold and changed things around instead of putting the knife in they tried to run and kill the clock more then going for the kill like they did in the first half. 

Huh?

 

They went into halftime with a 21-3 lead...and added a 3rd qtr TD to make it 28-3 with 3:23 left in the 3rd.  They never stopped trying to score.

What really happened is that the pats D held them scoreless as their offense put up 31 unanswered pts...but this is a credit to the Pats D as the Falcons NEVER stopped trying to score and never resorted to the running game in the 2nd half as you say.  As a matter of fact, the Falcons on had 9 rushing attempts for 24yds in the 2nd half ....much different when they amassed 80yds (on 9 attempts) rushing in the first half.  I fail to see where they changed their game plan to a "conservative" style??....

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400927752

 

As I said earlier, ATL was still trying to score a TD when a FG would have put the game away.

 

Big difference between "going conservative" and "poor situational coaching"...

[crazycolt1]

16 minutes ago, tweezy32 said:

Hes not good at all.  He booty cheeks

So you decided to try to start something today?  No thanks, take it somewhere else.

[lollygagger8]

It'll make the Colts better for sure. 

 

Playing better teams, makes you a better team. 

[tweezy32]

33 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

So you decided to try to start something today?  No thanks, take it somewhere else.

Nah im finishing it 

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, tweezy32 said:

Nah im finishing it 

Just shows your immaturity making childish comments . Carry on.

[Hooksalot]

On 2/26/2018 at 9:52 PM, 2006Coltsbestever said:

You say we overachieved for 3 seasons because of our Division but yet the Jags won the Division when it was at its worst and you say nothing about that? Interesting. Our Division was terrible last season for the fact we didn't have our QB and nor did Houston both teams resulting in 4-12 seasons. I can make a strong case that the Jags won our Division by default because it was really a 2 team race and Tennessee is an Above Average team at best.

2 AFC South teams went to the playoffs and somehow the AFC south was at it's worse?  I don't think so.  Try again.

[TdungyW/12]

1 hour ago, Reality Check said:

Huh?

 

They went into halftime with a 21-3 lead...and added a 3rd qtr TD to make it 28-3 with 3:23 left in the 3rd.  They never stopped trying to score.

What really happened is that the pats D held them scoreless as their offense put up 31 unanswered pts...but this is a credit to the Pats D as the Falcons NEVER stopped trying to score and never resorted to the running game in the 2nd half as you say.  As a matter of fact, the Falcons on had 9 rushing attempts for 24yds in the 2nd half ....much different when they amassed 80yds (on 9 attempts) rushing in the first half.  I fail to see where they changed their game plan to a "conservative" style??....

 

http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=400927752

 

As I said earlier, ATL was still trying to score a TD when a FG would have put the game away.

 

Big difference between "going conservative" and "poor situational coaching"...

I said they came out of the half cold .... I don’t care if they scored a TD in the second half! That’s less then the 3 they had on the first. They changed their game plan after the def switched and they panicked .... it doesn’t matter if it was play calling, coaching, taking their foot off the gas etc .... they changed their game plan from the fort half and lost. 

[Reality Check]

19 minutes ago, TdungyW/12 said:

I said they came out of the half cold .... I don’t care if they scored a TD in the second half! That’s less then the 3 they had on the first. They changed their game plan after the def switched and they panicked .... it doesn’t matter if it was play calling, coaching, taking their foot off the gas etc .... they changed their game plan from the fort half and lost. 

LOL .... I guess we both saw a different game?!

 

Falcons fans are still wondering why their team was throwing the ball when they only needed 2 run plays and a 38yd FG to win the SB.  That is a fact.

[TdungyW/12]

4 minutes ago, Reality Check said:

LOL .... I guess we both saw a different game?!

 

Falcons fans are still wondering why their team was throwing the ball when they only needed 2 run plays and a 38yd FG to win the SB.  That is a fact.

Yeah we MUST have seen a different game. I didn’t say they shouldn’t have went for a FG or they should have done this or that .... that’s irrelevant I’m SAYING .... and pay CLOSE attention. They came out cold and changed their game plan .... they took their foot off the gas and changed their play calling after panicking when the patriots def buckled down. 

 

You can put your opinion in all you want I have mine ..... 

[Narcosys]

On 26/02/2018 at 12:34 AM, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Them giving Bortles a lucrative extension is more reason for them sliding.

 

 

 

Do you normally just say things without really knowing what you're talking about?

 

His contract isn't lucrative (3 years, $54M), and less than half is guaranteed. It small drops this year's cap hit from $19M to $10M.

 

Seriously man, research what you're going to say before you say it. 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 hours ago, Narcosys said:

 

Do you normally just say things without really knowing what you're talking about?

 

His contract isn't lucrative (3 years, $54M), and less than half is guaranteed. It small drops this year's cap hit from $19M to $10M.

 

Seriously man, research what you're going to say before you say it. 

 

Whats stuck up your rear end today lol.

 

Not lucrative by other qb contracts BUT for his talent level it is way too lucrative.

$1 mil is too much for him.

He was consistently missing short passes in playoffs that I use to throw whem I was 15 years old! And so probably could most everyone on this forum.

 

If Jags were serious about taking next step and go to a SB they would be trying to acquire on of the QB's floating around and consider drafting one.

The broadcasters said during a playoff game Bortles is playing for his future with Jags. Even if the Jags win they might not bring him back. Unfortunately for Jag fans, they not only brought him back, they extended him.

 

Jags are gping no where with him.

If you happen to be captain of his fan club sorry if your feelings are hurt. Lol

 

I'm not wasting anymore time talking about Bortles.

[crazycolt1]

15 minutes ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

Whats stuck up your rear end today lol.

 

Not lucrative by other qb contracts BUT for his talent level it is way too lucrative.

$1 mil is too much for him.

He was consistently missing short passes in playoffs that I use to throw whem I was 15 years old! And so probably could most everyone on this forum.

 

If Jags were serious about taking next step and go to a SB they would be trying to acquire on of the QB's floating around and consider drafting one.

The broadcasters said during a playoff game Bortles is playing for his future with Jags. Even if the Jags win they might not bring him back. Unfortunately for Jag fans, they not only brought him back, they extended him.

 

Jags are gping no where with him.

If you happen to be captain of his fan club sorry if your feelings are hurt. Lol

 

I'm not wasting anymore time talking about Bortles.

Check his stats against the Patriots. Almost identical to Brady's minus 1 TD.

[southwest1]

On February 26, 2018 at 2:55 AM, LockeDown said:

One word.  Coughlin.  I fear his influence on that team.  

Bingo. He's the only reason I view the Jags as a legitimate AFC South threat.