Luck should be ready for Training Camp - Polian

[Colt.45]

According to his top Colts sources.

Nothing new here really, just a repetition of what we've heard i.e. Colts & Luck are sticking to the plan, and everything has been trending positively so far.

 

 

[deedub75]

I expect to hear more statements like this since season tickets are about to go on sale. Hopefully, they are all correct but the timing is suspect. 

[lollygagger8]

[GoColts8818]

I am pretty sure his Colts sources is Jim Irsay.  So he’s pretty much a mouth peace for Irsay IMO.  Not bad just remember that.

[rockywoj]

Polian mentioned that Luck had consulted with Dr. Andrews.  Isn’t that the specialist that quite a few here at the forum we’re saying that Luck should have used?  If this is the Dr. that comes so highly acclaimed, then to hear that Luck is consulting with him and allegedly progressing in accordance with the plan put forth by Dr. Andrews, then that sounds encouraging in my book.  

 

Yes, I am an optimist.  Go Colts!

[Valpo2004]

My thought is mostly that if a 2nd surgery was really needed then Luck would get that done as quickly as possible.  

 

So I remain optimistic until I see that happen.  

[Malakai432]

I like how he references Jim Plunkett behind a swiss cheese offense and 7 step drop backs.

[pgt_rob]

We literally have no idea where Luck is medically. We haven't heard if he's throwing footballs, let alone picking up a football. What we do know is that Luck and Castonzo have been to the beach in LA while he's getting additional rehab work. Not enough confirmed information yet before I believe any "sources". 

[jshipp23]

I wouldn't put too much stock in any stories about Luck being ready until he truly is throwing...They have to sell tickets right now..

[The Fish]

Yeah, count me in with the skeptics. It's not that I'm doom and gloom either, but we're now at the "fool me twice" phase of this. 

[King Colt]

1 hour ago, Malakai432 said:

I like how he references Jim Plunkett behind a swiss cheese offense and 7 step drop backs.

Yes, that was painful to hear. I'll go to my grave never understanding how that was permitted to happen to Luck.

[jshipp23]

Just now, King Colt said:

Yes, that was painful to hear. I'll go to my grave never understanding how that was permitted to happen to Luck.

I'm surprised Brissett survived the season, he took a brutal beating in that dumb predictable offense last year..Seems like an NFL coach would have the ability to adapt his offense, but not Pagano..

[Boiler_Colt]

Luck himself said he'd be back for OTA's so we're already pushing the timetable back.

[Jaredfor3]

Us fans can’t be “Hoodwinked” again for a second straight year. 

[jshipp23]

Even IF Luck is 100% healthy we are not going to tip our hand until after draft for obvious reasons..Which is smart..

[John Hammonds]

I would feel better if he guaranteed "before the draft" than "in time for training camp".

[ReMeDy]

2 hours ago, Jaredfor3 said:

Us fans can’t be “Hoodwinked” again for a second straight year. 

 

We shall not be hoodwinked twice. One hoodwink, yes, but two hoodwinks? Unacceptable.

[jameszeigler834]

9 hours ago, rockywoj said:

Polian mentioned that Luck had consulted with Dr. Andrews.  Isn’t that the specialist that quite a few here at the forum we’re saying that Luck should have used?  If this is the Dr. that comes so highly acclaimed, then to hear that Luck is consulting with him and allegedly progressing in accordance with the plan put forth by Dr. Andrews, then that sounds encouraging in my book.  

 

Yes, I am an optimist.  Go Colts!

I expect him to be ready or its time for the colts to move on.

[jameszeigler834]

7 hours ago, Valpo2004 said:

My thought is mostly that if a 2nd surgery was really needed then Luck would get that done as quickly as possible.  

 

So I remain optimistic until I see that happen.  

Agreed.

[southwest1]

3 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

I'm surprised Brissett survived the season, he took a brutal beating in that dumb predictable offense last year..Seems like an NFL coach would have the ability to adapt his offense, but not Pagano..

I'm not gonna slam Pagano who is no longer here, but I will agree that the caliber of your coaching staff matters which is what you were driving at. Frank is definitely an upgrade no question. 

 

It is kind of amazing Jacoby never got put on IR with the beating he took this past season isn't it? 

 

I get why fans are reluctant to embrace the Luck will be fine chorus line of optimism by Sept. line. It's a logical reaction. I gotta believe that Andrew due to surprise the doubters this yr. The Eagles knocked off the Patriots in the SB. It's time for INDY get Luck back & win our division again. The drought has been long enough. 

[ricker182]

 

  

This makes me think this organization is being quite dishonest again to get those season ticket renewals in.  

  

They know what's going on and it seems they drug Reich right into the hush hush.

 

Pretty disappointing.  

  

At this point I don't expect Luck to play again this season.

[southwest1]

10 hours ago, rockywoj said:

Polian mentioned that Luck had consulted with Dr. Andrews.  Isn’t that the specialist that quite a few here at the forum we’re saying that Luck should have used?  If this is the Dr. that comes so highly acclaimed, then to hear that Luck is consulting with him and allegedly progressing in accordance with the plan put forth by Dr. Andrews, then that sounds encouraging in my book.  

 

Yes, I am an optimist.  Go Colts!

It does make you wonder what teams are going to do when Dr. Andrews retires since he seems to be the most sought after surgeon across the NFL doesn't it? I hope he's grooming his heir apparent as we speak right now.  

 

If Dr. Andrews feels confident in the recovery strategy, that must be a good omen right? Knock on wood. 

[Yoshinator]

21 minutes ago, ricker182 said:

 

  

This makes me think this organization is being quite dishonest again to get those season ticket renewals in.  

  

They know what's going on and it seems they drug Reich right into the hush hush.

 

Pretty disappointing.  

  

At this point I don't expect Luck to play again this season.

At best, they are pumping up Luck's return so they sell tickets and Luck is somewhere on track to returning in the future. At worst, they are outright lying at this stage and have no idea when Luck will truly return. Obviously, they can't say that though for financial reasons and draft reasons if it were true. Either way, the draft will bear out what Luck's health truly is. Unfortunately, if he does need surgery again or the timetable is pushed back, then all those people who bought season tickets will once again suffer. 

[southwest1]

I gotta say this: To imply that Jimmy is intentionally keeping his fanbase in the dark on purpose about Luck's recovery just to sell tickets is just crazy. No one is forcing anybody to buy LOS stadium tickets against their will & if a person has season tickets & they truly believe this season won't be pretty then just sell your tickets & stop complaining. 

 

Yes, Jimmy is running a business & wants to continue to make money. No one is being duped or deceived here. Jimmy wants to win games & put a quality product on the field regardless who is under center. Look, I realize season tickets must be incredibly expensive to secure annually & no consumer wants to feel that their investment is money not well spent. I get that. As a fan who doesn't live in INDY & still watches every Colts game without fail; I'm never gonna believe that less than stellar playoffs seasons don't kill Jimmy on a personal level. I know they do, which is why I refuse to buy into this cloak & dagger deception angle. It's absurd. 

 

Nobody has any idea where Luck is at right now or where he will be come Sept. If he can't go, then I'll deal with it & make the best of it & support Jacoby Brissett. Right now, my mindset is Chewbacca will be ready to go. None of us are abandoning this franchise whatever Andrew's future holds. 

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

2 hours ago, jshipp23 said:

Even IF Luck is 100% healthy we are not going to tip our hand until after draft for obvious reasons..Which is smart..

 

Good Point ..

[CF4L]

8 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

I gotta say this: To imply that Jimmy is intentionally keeping his fanbase in the dark on purpose about Luck's recovery just to sell tickets is just crazy. No one is forcing anybody to buy LOS stadium tickets against their will & if a person has season tickets & they truly believe this season won't be pretty then just sell your tickets & stop complaining. 

 

Yes, Jimmy is running a business & wants to continue to make money. No one is being duped or deceived here. Jimmy wants to win games & put a quality product on the field regardless who is under center. Look, I realize season tickets must be incredibly expensive to secure annually & no consumer wants to feel that their investment is money not well spent. I get that. As a fan who doesn't live in INDY & still watches every Colts game without fail; I'm never gonna believe that less than stellar playoffs seasons don't kill Jimmy on a personal level. I know they do, which is why I refuse to buy into this cloak & dagger deception angle. It's absurd. 

 

Nobody has any idea where Luck is at right now or where he will be come Sept. If he can't go, then I'll deal with it & make the best of it & support Jacoby Brissett. Right now, my mindset is Chewbacca will be ready to go. None of us are abandoning this franchise whatever Andrew's future holds. 

 

 

Yes because we all know how forthright the Colts have been in the past last year they said Luck  would be ready until you know he went on IR.

 

And yes they knew he wasn't going to be ready. If you really buy that Irsay was misled then you are rather gullible. If that were the case those doctors would've been fired.

 

Before that they also said Manning would come back but he was out for the year as well.

 

The Colts have a history of this to ignore it would be  crazy.

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

8 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

I gotta say this: To imply that Jimmy is intentionally keeping his fanbase in the dark on purpose about Luck's recovery just to sell tickets is just crazy. No one is forcing anybody to buy LOS stadium tickets against their will & if a person has season tickets & they truly believe this season won't be pretty then just sell your tickets & stop complaining. 

 

Yes, Jimmy is running a business & wants to continue to make money. No one is being duped or deceived here. Jimmy wants to win games & put a quality product on the field regardless who is under center. Look, I realize season tickets must be incredibly expensive to secure annually & no consumer wants to feel that their investment is money not well spent. I get that. As a fan who doesn't live in INDY & still watches every Colts game without fail; I'm never gonna believe that less than stellar playoffs seasons don't kill Jimmy on a personal level. I know they do, which is why I refuse to buy into this cloak & dagger deception angle. It's absurd. 

 

Nobody has any idea where Luck is at right now or where he will be come Sept. If he can't go, then I'll deal with it & make the best of it & support Jacoby Brissett. Right now, my mindset is Chewbacca will be ready to go. None of us are abandoning this franchise whatever Andrew's future holds. 

 

Good post Brother & I'm picking up what your puttin down  we are in the midst of something special I believe Andrew Luck is gonna be back the dude is Superman sure he dealt with some Kryptonite  but it happens he's a Beast & Brissett is gonna do very well if called upon Tolzien could'nt beat him out even tho he knew the playbook & players . 

 

 

[LJpalmbeacher2]

2 hours ago, ReMeDy said:

 

We shall not be hoodwinked twice. One hoodwink, yes, but two hoodwinks? Unacceptable.

 

As the saying goes, "hoodwink me once, shame on you. Hoodwink me twice, shame on me"

[ÅÐØNϧ 1]

5 minutes ago, CF4L said:

 

 

Yes because we all know how forthright the Colts have been in the past last year they said Luck  would be ready until you know he went on IR.

 

And yes they knew he wasn't going to be ready. If you really buy that Irsay was misled then you are rather gullible. If that were the case those doctors would've been fired.

 

Before that they also said Manning would come back but he was out for the year as well.

 

The Colts have a history of this to ignore it would be  crazy.

 

No need to call my Buddy Gullible Dude  its a classless statement .

 

We all have our opinions & we express them as you are welcome to do but understand you won't agree with everyone & that works both ways .

 

If you have a valid point to make people will appreciate it ,

 

[southwest1]

29 minutes ago, CF4L said:

 

 

Yes because we all know how forthright the Colts have been in the past last year they said Luck  would be ready until you know he went on IR.

 

And yes they knew he wasn't going to be ready. If you really buy that Irsay was misled then you are rather gullible. If that were the case those doctors would've been fired.

 

Before that they also said Manning would come back but he was out for the year as well.

 

The Colts have a history of this to ignore it would be  crazy.

I get being disappointed in missing the playoff in 3 seasons especially after making the Playoffs was a lock or near lock under the Manning regime as well as early in Luck's NFL career CF4L. 

 

Call me gullible if you want to. I really don't care. No skin off my teeth. Look, I get the frustration of not knowing what's going on. The limbo phase really blows especially when concrete answers are hard to come by, let alone pin down. 

 

Since none of us had the medical clearance to view either Peyton's or Andrew's medical records directly, it's almost impossible to say with any degree of certainty that Irsay or the medical staff on payroll lied intentionally to their fanbase. 

 

I get the anger, the frustration, the disappointment; & the fear of not knowing. So, what's your solution? Fire the owner then? Have fun storming the castle i.e. good look with that approach. It won't work I'm afraid. 

 

Do they withhold information until the have a more detailed picture on their starting QB's health & overall outlook? Sure, show me a franchise that wouldn't do the exact same thing under identical circumstances...

 

Who is ignoring anything? The only way to satisfy this deception resentment is to replace the owner. Jimmy's not going anywhere. 

[Manning->Luck]

They say he’s on schedule, he hasn’t had surgery yet, he looks better, he sounds better, he’s hanging on the beach with AC, I am optimistic too. 

[southwest1]

45 minutes ago, ÅÐØNϧ 1 said:

 

No need to call my Buddy Gullible Dude  its a classless statement .

 

We all have our opinions & we express them as you are welcome to do but understand you won't agree with everyone & that works both ways .

 

If you have a valid point to make people will appreciate it ,

 

We are all friends here & we all want to win another Championship. Thanks for your support Adonis1. 

 

CF4L is a good poster & well within his rights to disagree with me.

 

We all say things when we're ticked off & when we think someone is clueless/naive we don't really mean. I know that.

 

Anybody can call me misguided on something we don't see eye to eye with them on. I'm cool with it. 

 

Not the first or last time someone will think I'm a mo***. Hey mother, this conversation doesn't concern you. 

[CF4L]

48 minutes ago, southwest1 said:

I get being disappointed in missing the playoff in 3 seasons especially after making the Playoffs was a lock or near lock under the Manning regime as well as early in Luck's NFL career CF4L. 

 

Call me gullible if you want to. I really don't care. No skin off my teeth. Look, I get the frustration of not knowing what's going on. The limbo phase really blows especially when concrete answers are hard to come by, let alone pin down. 

 

Since none of us had the medical clearance to view either Peyton's or Andrew's medical records directly, it's almost impossible to say with any degree of certainty that Irsay or the medical staff on payroll lied intentionally to their fanbase. 

 

I get the anger, the frustration, the disappointment; & the fear of not knowing. So, what's your solution? Fire the owner then? Have fun storming the castle i.e. good look with that approach. It won't work I'm afraid. 

 

Do they withhold information until the have a more detailed picture on their starting QB's health & overall outlook? Sure, show me a franchise that wouldn't do the exact same thing under identical circumstances...

 

Who is ignoring anything? The only way to satisfy this deception resentment is to replace the owner. Jimmy's not going anywhere. 

 

 

First off I'm a she

 

Second, unlike a lot of this fanbase I can accept a few down years. The team isn't good across the board they have no business being in the postseason. Luck was going to be back for training camp, but he wasn't.

 

Luck was going to be back a few games in.. that didn't happen either.

 

Luck then gets sent to IR yeah for someone who was going to be back that season its a huge jump to go from that to IR. 

 

Could he have had a setback? Sure but Irsay and Co flat out said that he was coming back and never did in 2017. Maybe they would've been better served keeping their mouths shut.

 

Putting that aside actions speak louder than words they kept parroting how Manning and Luck would come back and they didn't in Manning's case it was in another uniform.

 

Luck remains to be seen. I don't think his career is over but I think his shoulder was in worse shape than they lead the fans to believe. However they wanted to sell those tickets and know that a lot of people around these parts wouldn't go watch the Colts if there was no Andrew Luck.

 

Teams lie to fans all the time. I mean if this were the Pats the reactions here would be drastically different with all the shadiness the Colts have presented the past couple years with Luck.

 

Outside of him throwing an actual football there are a lot of us who remain skeptical.

[rockywoj]

4 hours ago, ricker182 said:

 

  

This makes me think this organization is being quite dishonest again to get those season ticket renewals in.  

  

They know what's going on and it seems they drug Reich right into the hush hush.

 

Pretty disappointing.  

  

At this point I don't expect Luck to play again this season.

I gotta say, I am surprised by how many fans say their purchasing tickets / season tickets is dependent upon Luck’s health, or in the least, inferring such.  Man, if I were within driving distance, I would be a season ticket holder for my beloved team no matter what.  Compared to the commitment for NHL season tickets, the Colts / NFL tickets are dirt cheap!  

 

Win or lose, I’b be a season ticket holder and I really could not care less who ends up being QB, as it relates to my season ticket commitment.  Ergo, just weird to me all these accusations that the Colts are somehow lying and ticket holders are feeling somehow bamboozled.

[southwest1]

1 hour ago, CF4L said:

 

 

First off I'm a she

 

Second, unlike a lot of this fanbase I can accept a few down years. The team isn't good across the board they have no business being in the postseason. Luck was going to be back for training camp, but he wasn't.

 

Luck was going to be back a few games in.. that didn't happen either.

 

Luck then gets sent to IR yeah for someone who was going to be back that season its a huge jump to go from that to IR. 

 

Could he have had a setback? Sure but Irsay and Co flat out said that he was coming back and never did in 2017. Maybe they would've been better served keeping their mouths shut.

 

Putting that aside actions speak louder than words they kept parroting how Manning and Luck would come back and they didn't in Manning's case it was in another uniform.

 

Luck remains to be seen. I don't think his career is over but I think his shoulder was in worse shape than they lead the fans to believe. However they wanted to sell those tickets and know that a lot of people around these parts wouldn't go watch the Colts if there was no Andrew Luck.

 

Teams lie to fans all the time. I mean if this were the Pats the reactions here would be drastically different with all the shadiness the Colts have presented the past couple years with Luck.

 

Outside of him throwing an actual football there are a lot of us who remain skeptical.

You're right. I shouldn't have automatically assumed I was responding to a man as opposed to a woman. Sorry about that. I stand corrected. Thank you. 

 

Skepticism is fine as well as demanding proof is in the pudding. Show me as opposed to making broken promises. A fair point. Fans would want the owner or GM to say something about Luck's rehab status. Silence makes people go to the worst possible scenario. You can never remain silent about the face of your franchise. That's an absolute death nell. 

 

Maybe it's because I don't live in INDY that I don't get worked up over whether Luck can play or not. So, the ticket sales angle doesn't really concern me that much. Do I want Andrew out there for 20 weeks? Absolutely. However, Jimmy isn't putting a gun to anyone's head & demanding that fans buy tickets or else. It's a freewill thing; not a coercion thing to me. 

 

Football is TV entertainment anyway. I prefer all the different camera angles & booth commentary personally without the long lines & traffic. I don't need to be at the stadium in person. I just want the game & that's it. If I want Colt merchandise, I buy it online. The ambiance doesn't concern me at all. It would be sweet to meet some of my favorite regulars face to face in person along with the moderators once though. I will admit that. 

 

This lying thing is hugely overblown to me because some fans act like it's treasonous or something. Believe what you want. I'm not here to persuade anybody or discount contrary viewpoints from mine. In the grand scheme of things, this is nothing. 

 

After I lost my nephew Matthew around Thanksgiving to a suicide, it put everything in perspective for me & I don't get so animated over the small stuff anymore. Thank you for your post CF4L. We're perfectly fine.  

[our_dbs_rock]

7 hours ago, Jaredfor3 said:

Us fans can’t be “Hoodwinked” again for a second straight year. 

5 hours ago, ReMeDy said:

 

We shall not be hoodwinked twice. One hoodwink, yes, but two hoodwinks? Unacceptable.

2 hours ago, LJpalmbeacher2 said:

 

As the saying goes, "hoodwink me once, shame on you. Hoodwink me twice, shame on me"

 

Oh c'mon. We all have already been hoodwinked twice. Once the year Manning missed yet they kept him on the active roster.  Then last year with Luck.

 

Let's all admit, nothing is off the table when Irsay is trying to sell season tickets. 

[rockywoj]

As for where Luck is at now and his prospects for the coming year, I just don’t get the confusion.

 

Things are clear ... Luck experienced ongoing pain in the Fall and as bad as the team was, the decision was made simply to shut him down.  Probably a very wise decision given how pathetic our offensive strategy and largely as a result of that, how bad the OL was.

 

At that point, upon consulting experts, Luck opted to NOT have a second surgery to check things out and fix up any residual problem that might be there.  Instead, based on all of the input from the experts he consulted, Luck opted to go the continued rehab route.

 

Now Luck is undergoing a throwing rehab process that will likely take three to four months to work through.  If during that process Luck suffers no setback, then it’s assumed all is well and he’ll be back 100%. If he has a setback, though, then it’s likely he’ll need that secondary surgery that he could have had back in late November, thereby putting his availability for 2018 in jeopardy. 

 

All this talk that the Colts aren’t fessing up is just getting so tiresome.  It’s really clear, in that nobody will know for sure for another three months or so, because there’s a process to go through.  One month into that three to four month process, nothing has changed.  The process continues.

[DougDew]

Okay, with all of these Luck-Speculation threads, I've lost track of his actual progress.  Can somebody tell me......

 

Other than the passage of time, what has actually changed between now and when he was having problems throwing the ball last November?

 

And he hasn't thrown a ball since. Not even to test the shoulder.

 

Why should we optimistic that he will not start having pain again?

[oldunclemark]

14 hours ago, GoColts8818 said:

I am pretty sure his Colts sources is Jim Irsay.  So he’s pretty much a mouth peace for Irsay IMO.  Not bad just remember that.

Polian knows Frank Reich from Buffalo...Polian drafted him......I'd bet that's his source...

Edited February 21, 2018 by oldunclemark

[GoColts8818]

1 minute ago, oldunclemark said:

Polian knows Frank Reich from Buffalo....I'd bet that's his source...

Polian has made no secret he still talks to Irsay.  He also talks to Ballard so maybe it really is sources but my point was more he’s really a mouth peace for the Colts in the media.  Nothing wrong with that for the record.