For those that think we should go RB at 3....

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, crazycolt1 said:

So if Ballard don't take him he is a child?  Very mature of you to say that.

 

I did not say that. 

 

IF we keep the pick (and we are not offered a ransom to move back) then the choice is so easy, a child could make it. 

[esmort]

20 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Doesn't matter where we pick a running back, eh?

 

Yeah, because every one of these running backs made it big in the NFL:

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2016-nfl-draft-results/

 

4	1	Cowboys	Ezekiel Elliott	RB	Ohio State	2
45	2	Titans	Derrick Henry	RB	Alabama	48
73	3	Dolphins	Kenyan Drake	RB	Alabama	86
90	3	Seahawks	C.J. Prosise	RB	Notre Dame	70
119	4	Texans	Tyler Ervin	RB	San Jose State	182
134	4	Ravens	Kenneth Dixon	RB	Louisiana Tech	71
136	4	Broncos	Devontae Booker	RB	Utah	89
143	5	Raiders	DeAndre Washington	RB	Texas Tech	107
149	5	Giants	Paul Perkins	RB	UCLA	66
150	5	Bears	Jordan Howard	RB	Indiana	44
153	5	Eagles	Wendell Smallwood	RB	West Virginia	111
156	5	Bills	Jonathan Williams	RB	Arkansas	170
171	5	Seahawks	Alex Collins	RB	Arkansas	109
182	6	Ravens	Keenan Reynolds	RB	Navy	283
211	6	49ers	Kelvin Taylor	RB	Florida	225
216	6	Cowboys	Darius Jackson	RB	Eastern Michigan	272
236	7	Lions	Dwayne Washington	RB	Washington	184
237	7	Saints	Daniel Lasco	RB	California	249
242	7	Redskins	Keith Marshall	RB	Georgia	269
247	7	Seahawks	Zac Brooks	RB	Clemson	300

 

Horrible comparison ... your list doesn't accurately represent where the starting RBs get drafted like the OPs list ... you showed a one year snapshot ... 1 draft does not provide enough data to prove anything.

[esmort]

3 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I did not say that. 

 

IF we keep the pick (and we are not offered a ransom to move back) then the choice is so easy, a child could make it. 

 

Still almost as bad.

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I did not say that. 

 

IF we keep the pick (and we are not offered a ransom to move back) then the choice is so easy, a child could make it. 

I highly doubt that Barkley will be there at #3 anyway. If the Browns don't take him I think the Giants will. The Giants need a RB much more that they need a QB.

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

Horrible comparison ... your list doesn't accurately represent where the starting RBs get drafted like the OPs list ... you showed a one year snapshot ... 1 draft does not provide enough data to prove anything.

 

I randomly picked a year.

 

How about 2013... Let's look.

 

Yep. Every one of these running backs made it big in the NFL too. 

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2013-nfl-draft-results/

 

37	2	Bengals	Giovani Bernard	RB	North Carolina	46
48	2	Steelers	Le'Veon Bell	RB	Michigan State	33
58	2	Broncos	Montee Ball	RB	Wisconsin	85
61	2	Packers	Eddie Lacy	RB	Alabama	27
62	2	Seahawks	Christine Michael	RB	Texas A&M	89
96	3	Chiefs	Knile Davis	RB	Arkansas	123
125	4	Packers	Johnathan Franklin	RB	UCLA	164
130	4	Ravens	Kyle Juszczyk	RB	Harvard	91
131	4	49ers	Marcus Lattimore	RB	South Carolina	228
140	5	Cardinals	Stepfan Taylor	RB	Stanford	174
151	5	Cowboys	Joseph Randle	RB	Oklahoma State	133
154	5	Redskins	Chris Thompson	RB	Florida State	190
160	5	Rams	Zac Stacy	RB	Vanderbilt	134
164	5	Dolphins	Mike Gillislee	RB	Florida	119
181	6	Raiders	Latavius Murray	RB	UCF	110
182	6	Panthers	Kenjon Barner	RB	Oregon	202
187	6	Cardinals	Andre Ellington	RB	Clemson	65
189	6	Buccaneers	Mike James	RB	Miami	214
190	6	Bengals	Rex Burkhead	RB	Nebraska	205
194	6	Seahawks	Spencer Ware	RB	LSU	112
199	6	Lions	Theo Riddick	RB	Notre Dame	129
215	7	Jets	Tommy Bohanon	RB	Wake Forest	218
228	7	Redskins	Jawan Jamison	RB	Rutgers	258
230	7	Colts	Kerwynn Williams	RB	Utah State	177
253	7	Giants	Michael Cox	RB	Massachusetts	295

 

We can do this all day.

[BlueShoe]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

I highly doubt that Barkley will be there at #3 anyway. If the Browns don't take him I think the Giants will. The Giants need a RB much more that they need a QB.

 

I think both the Browns and the Giants are taking quarterbacks. 

 

If one of them takes Barkley then we are going to sell the 3rd overall pick for 10 mules and 15 virgins. 

 

Either way, we win. 

[BlueShoe]

3 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

Still almost as bad.

 

 

Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't make it any less true.  

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I think both the Browns and the Giants are taking quarterbacks. 

 

If one of them takes Barkley then we are going to sell the 3rd overall pick for 10 mules and 15 virgins. 

 

Either way, we win. 

It has already been reported that the Browns are interested in Allen. If that is true they will take Barkley at number 1 IMO.

I do agree it would be a win-win for the Colts.

[esmort]

1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I randomly picked a year.

 

How about 2013... Let's look.

 

Yep. Every one of these running backs made it big in the NFL too. 

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2013-nfl-draft-results/

 

37	2	Bengals	Giovani Bernard	RB	North Carolina	46
48	2	Steelers	Le'Veon Bell	RB	Michigan State	33
58	2	Broncos	Montee Ball	RB	Wisconsin	85
61	2	Packers	Eddie Lacy	RB	Alabama	27
62	2	Seahawks	Christine Michael	RB	Texas A&M	89
96	3	Chiefs	Knile Davis	RB	Arkansas	123
125	4	Packers	Johnathan Franklin	RB	UCLA	164
130	4	Ravens	Kyle Juszczyk	RB	Harvard	91
131	4	49ers	Marcus Lattimore	RB	South Carolina	228
140	5	Cardinals	Stepfan Taylor	RB	Stanford	174
151	5	Cowboys	Joseph Randle	RB	Oklahoma State	133
154	5	Redskins	Chris Thompson	RB	Florida State	190
160	5	Rams	Zac Stacy	RB	Vanderbilt	134
164	5	Dolphins	Mike Gillislee	RB	Florida	119
181	6	Raiders	Latavius Murray	RB	UCF	110
182	6	Panthers	Kenjon Barner	RB	Oregon	202
187	6	Cardinals	Andre Ellington	RB	Clemson	65
189	6	Buccaneers	Mike James	RB	Miami	214
190	6	Bengals	Rex Burkhead	RB	Nebraska	205
194	6	Seahawks	Spencer Ware	RB	LSU	112
199	6	Lions	Theo Riddick	RB	Notre Dame	129
215	7	Jets	Tommy Bohanon	RB	Wake Forest	218
228	7	Redskins	Jawan Jamison	RB	Rutgers	258
230	7	Colts	Kerwynn Williams	RB	Utah State	177
253	7	Giants	Michael Cox	RB	Massachusetts	295

 

We can do this all day.

 

It still doesn't prove anything ... at the end of the day look at the starting RBs (or committee) for all 32 teams and where they were drafted.  Spending the 3rd pick on a RB is not the best use of resources.

[BlueShoe]

6 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

It has already been reported that the Browns are interested in Allen. If that is true they will take Barkley at number 1 IMO.

I do agree it would be a win-win for the Colts.

 

Anything is possible. 

 

Allen is the big talk of the draft-season right now. Mel Kiper hyped him up pretty well. And Allen has some real physical traits that cannot be taught. There is also an argument to be made about his surrounding cast, and dropped passes. But he is still a risk at No. 1 overall. 

 

If I were making decisions for Cleveland then I would take Darnold, but that is me betting on the smart money.

 

We win no matter what the Browns or the Giants do.

[BlueShoe]

2 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

It still doesn't prove anything ... at the end of the day look at the starting RBs (or committee) for all 32 teams and where they were drafted.  Spending the 3rd pick on a RB is not the best use of resources.

 

Want to try another season? Sure.. Why not?

 

How about 2009? Just throwing numbers out there...

 

Yep. These backs are all headed to the Hall of Fame too!

 

How about you pick the next year for us?

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2009-nfl-draft-results/

 

12	1	Broncos	Knowshon Moreno	RB	Georgia	27
27	1	Colts	Donald Brown	RB	Connecticut	39
31	1	Cardinals	Beanie Wells	RB	Ohio State	21
53	2	Eagles	LeSean McCoy	RB	Pittsburgh	13
65	3	Jets	Shonn Greene	RB	Iowa	51
74	3	49ers	Glen Coffee	RB	Alabama	137
111	4	Panthers	Mike Goodson	RB	Texas A&M	103
128	4	Panthers	Tony Fiammetta	RB	Syracuse	205
129	4	Giants	Andre Brown	RB	NC State	91
134	4	Chargers	Gartrell Johnson	RB	Colorado State	231
145	5	Packers	Quinn Johnson	RB	LSU	277
169	5	Steelers	Frank Summers	RB	UNLV	235
173	5	Titans	Javon Ringer	RB	Michigan State	128
185	6	Ravens	Cedric Peerman	RB	Virginia	127
192	6	Lions	Aaron Brown	RB	TCU	211
195	6	Browns	James Davis	RB	Clemson	195
209	6	Bengals	Bernard Scott	RB	Abilene Christian	191
211	7	Rams	Chris Ogbonnaya	RB	Texas	198
212	7	Chiefs	Javarris Williams	RB	Tennessee State	274
215	7	Bengals	Fui Vakapuna	RB	BYU	287
221	7	Redskins	Eddie Williams	RB	Idaho	288
240	7	Cardinals	LaRod Stephens-Howling	RB	Pittsburgh	203
250	7	Jaguars	Rashad Jennings	RB	Liberty	56

[esmort]

3 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

 

Just because you don't like the answer, doesn't make it any less true.  

 

So if CB doesn't trade back, and doesn't take Barkley he is stupid?  Really? That's what you are going base your opinion of him on?

[NorthernBlue]

12 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I randomly picked a year.

 

How about 2013... Let's look.

 

Yep. Every one of these running backs made it big in the NFL too. 

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2013-nfl-draft-results/

 

37	2	Bengals	Giovani Bernard	RB	North Carolina	46
48	2	Steelers	Le'Veon Bell	RB	Michigan State	33
58	2	Broncos	Montee Ball	RB	Wisconsin	85
61	2	Packers	Eddie Lacy	RB	Alabama	27
62	2	Seahawks	Christine Michael	RB	Texas A&M	89
96	3	Chiefs	Knile Davis	RB	Arkansas	123
125	4	Packers	Johnathan Franklin	RB	UCLA	164
130	4	Ravens	Kyle Juszczyk	RB	Harvard	91
131	4	49ers	Marcus Lattimore	RB	South Carolina	228
140	5	Cardinals	Stepfan Taylor	RB	Stanford	174
151	5	Cowboys	Joseph Randle	RB	Oklahoma State	133
154	5	Redskins	Chris Thompson	RB	Florida State	190
160	5	Rams	Zac Stacy	RB	Vanderbilt	134
164	5	Dolphins	Mike Gillislee	RB	Florida	119
181	6	Raiders	Latavius Murray	RB	UCF	110
182	6	Panthers	Kenjon Barner	RB	Oregon	202
187	6	Cardinals	Andre Ellington	RB	Clemson	65
189	6	Buccaneers	Mike James	RB	Miami	214
190	6	Bengals	Rex Burkhead	RB	Nebraska	205
194	6	Seahawks	Spencer Ware	RB	LSU	112
199	6	Lions	Theo Riddick	RB	Notre Dame	129
215	7	Jets	Tommy Bohanon	RB	Wake Forest	218
228	7	Redskins	Jawan Jamison	RB	Rutgers	258
230	7	Colts	Kerwynn Williams	RB	Utah State	177
253	7	Giants	Michael Cox	RB	Massachusetts	295

 

We can do this all day.

You're kinda missing the point.

 

Thats the case with EVERY position group. Doesn't matter the year. 256 guys get drafted. Most DONT make it. Especially the late round guys. And obviously most of the best players are taken in the top.

 

HOWEVER. It is quite well evidenced that a lot MORE late round backs work out than pass rushers. And most of the solid pass rushers that make it in the NFL are taken round 1. Top 10 specifically. That's really the case with pass rushers and QBs. Most of the best players are taken early. Very hard to find guys like Mathis late in the draft.

 

Sure. The top round backs are the best probably. Saquon is gonna be a stud. But - and this is the case with all drafts - the colts have a better shot at finding a stud pass rusher at 3, and decent back later, than they do a decent pass rusher late. And in today's NFL, a stud pass rusher helps more than a stud running back. Especially in a pass first offense like ours.

 

And regarding the Bell stuff, that's just the article I found the comment on. I don't think we should get him at all.

 

[crazycolt1]

3 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Anything is possible. 

 

Allen is the big talk of the draft-season right now. Mel Kiper hyped him up pretty well. And Allen has some real physical traits that cannot be taught. There is also an argument to be made about his surrounding cast, and dropped passed. But he is still a risk at No. 1 overall. 

 

If I were making decisions for Cleveland then I would take Darnold, but that is me betting on the smart money.

 

We win no matter what the Browns or the Giants do.

You hit the nail on the head with your comment about anything is possible. The draft never goes as most fans expect it to go. And as always that sends the GMs boards all over the place.

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

So if CB doesn't trade back, and doesn't take Barkley he is stupid?  Really? That's what you are going base your opinion of him on?

 

If Chris Ballard turns in the card for the No. 3 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, and passes on Barkley....

 

Yeah, I am going to call him officially certifiable. 

 

Now, if he gets offered a great deal to move back then I cannot blame him one-bit. 

[esmort]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

Want to try another season? Sure.. Why not?

 

How about 2009? Just throwing numbers out there...

 

Yep. These backs are all headed to the Hall of Fame too!

 

How about you pick the next year for us?

 

http://footballdungeon.com/draft-results/2009-nfl-draft-results/

 

12	1	Broncos	Knowshon Moreno	RB	Georgia	27
27	1	Colts	Donald Brown	RB	Connecticut	39
31	1	Cardinals	Beanie Wells	RB	Ohio State	21
53	2	Eagles	LeSean McCoy	RB	Pittsburgh	13
65	3	Jets	Shonn Greene	RB	Iowa	51
74	3	49ers	Glen Coffee	RB	Alabama	137
111	4	Panthers	Mike Goodson	RB	Texas A&M	103
128	4	Panthers	Tony Fiammetta	RB	Syracuse	205
129	4	Giants	Andre Brown	RB	NC State	91
134	4	Chargers	Gartrell Johnson	RB	Colorado State	231
145	5	Packers	Quinn Johnson	RB	LSU	277
169	5	Steelers	Frank Summers	RB	UNLV	235
173	5	Titans	Javon Ringer	RB	Michigan State	128
185	6	Ravens	Cedric Peerman	RB	Virginia	127
192	6	Lions	Aaron Brown	RB	TCU	211
195	6	Browns	James Davis	RB	Clemson	195
209	6	Bengals	Bernard Scott	RB	Abilene Christian	191
211	7	Rams	Chris Ogbonnaya	RB	Texas	198
212	7	Chiefs	Javarris Williams	RB	Tennessee State	274
215	7	Bengals	Fui Vakapuna	RB	BYU	287
221	7	Redskins	Eddie Williams	RB	Idaho	288
240	7	Cardinals	LaRod Stephens-Howling	RB	Pittsburgh	203
250	7	Jaguars	Rashad Jennings	RB	Liberty	56

 

Whats this supposed to be proving ... all that matters is where the current starters came from.

 

if you want to take just one year snapshot lets just use 2017.  Rnd 1 - Fournette and  McCaffrey ... Rnds 2-4 - Cook, Mixon, Kamara, Hunt, Mack ... What round you think OROY will come from?

[BlueShoe]

6 minutes ago, NorthernBlue said:

You're kinda missing the point.

 

Thats the case with EVERY position group. Doesn't matter the year. 256 guys get drafted. Most DONT make it. Especially the late round guys. And obliviously most of the best players are taken in the top.

 

HOWEVER. It is quite well evidenced that a lot MORE late round backs work out than pass rushers. And most of the solid pass rushers that make it in the NFL are taken round 1. Top 10 specifically. That's really the case with pass rushers and QBs. Most of the best players are taken early. Very hard to find guys like Mathis late in the draft.

 

Sure. The top round backs are the best probably. Saquon is gonna be a stud. But - and this is the case with all drafts - the colts have a better shot at finding a stud pass rusher at 3, and decent back later, than they do a decent pass rusher late. And in today's NFL, a stud pass rusher helps more than a stud running back. Especially in a pass first offense like ours.

 

And regarding the Bell stuff, that's just the article I found the comment on. I don't think we should get him at all.

 

 

I just showed you 3 random years, all of which makes my point VERY WELL!

 

Your facts are skewed to fit your opinion. 

 

I think you need to look deeper at what actually happens in an NFL draft. 

[BlueShoe]

3 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

Whats this supposed to be proving ... all that matters is where the current starters came from.

 

if you want to take just one year snapshot lets just use 2017.  Rnd 1 - Fournette and  McCaffrey ... Rnds 2-4 - Cook, Mixon, Kamara, Hunt, Mack ... What round you think OROY will come from?

 

I randomly picked years, but 2017 makes my point just as well. 

 

The original poster of this thread is trying to convince us that a great RB can easily be drafted anywhere in the draft, and that pass rushers cannot be. 

 

I am adding some clarity and a sprinkle of reality to the discussion. 

[esmort]

3 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

If Chris Ballard turns in the card for the No. 3 overall pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, and passes on Barkley....

 

Yeah, I am going to call him officially certifiable. 

 

Now, if he gets offered a great deal to move back then I cannot blame him one-bit. 

 

That's a ridiculous stance

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

That's a ridiculous stance

 

That is because you are not thinking about this logically. 

[esmort]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I randomly picked years, but the 2017 makes my point just as well. 

 

The original poster of this thread is trying to convince us that a great RB can easily be drafted anywhere in the draft, and that pass rushers cannot be. 

 

I am adding some clarity and a sprinkle of reality to the discussion. 

 

I don't see how 2017 makes your point ... the later round RBs are arguably better than the 1st round RBs.

 

I don't think the point was you cannot get pass rushers later, but that it easier to find serviceable RBs later.

 

I would rather have a good-very good Pass Rusher and average RB than vice versa. And it is much easier to achieve this by taking a Pass Rusher early and RB later.

[esmort]

9 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

That is because you are not thinking about this logically. 

 

I am thinking about it very logically I just don't have the ridiculous man crush on Barkley that several seem to have.

 

edit to add... I am not on the Chubb bandwagon either.

[crazycolt1]

1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

 

That is because you are not thinking about this logically. 

I see both points of views but I don't think calling someone illogical because they have a different view than you is the way to go. The point that was made that finding a pass rusher is more than likely found in the first round than a RB.

[BlueShoe]

Just now, esmort said:

 

I don't see how 2017 makes your point ... the later round RBs are arguably better than the 1st round RBs.

 

I don't think the point was you cannot get pass rushers later, but that it easier to find serviceable RBs later.

 

I would rather have a good-very good Pass Rusher and average RB than vice versa. And it is much easier to achieve this by taking a Pass Rusher early and RB later.

 

I am taking Fournette over any of those guys. And it is not even close. 

 

Hunt and Kamara had good first years, and they are good backs. However, they are nowhere near as talented as Barkley. 

 

It was a shame the Cook got hurt, because he was having a good year too. 

 

Elliot and Fournette both went very high, because they are absolute bosses on the field. That said, they can both call Saquon, daddy. Barkley is the best back I have seen since Edgerrin James. 

 

4	1	Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	2
8	1	Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	10
41	2	Vikings	Dalvin Cook	RB	Florida State	24
48	2	Bengals	Joe Mixon	RB	Oklahoma	53
67	3	Saints	Alvin Kamara	RB	Tennessee	48
86	3	Chiefs	Kareem Hunt	RB	Toledo	127
89	3	Texans	D'Onta Foreman	RB	Texas	70
105	3	Steelers	James Conner	RB	Pittsburgh	111
114	4	Redskins	Samaje Perine	RB	Oklahoma	54
119	4	Bears	Tarik Cohen	RB	North Carolina A&T	221
121	4	49ers	Joe Williams	RB	Utah	210
132	4	Eagles	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego State	166
134	4	Packers	Jamaal Williams	RB	BYU	190
140	4	Giants	Wayne Gallman	RB	Clemson	134
143	4	Colts	Marlon Mack	RB	South Florida	140
156	5	Falcons	Brian Hill	RB	Wyoming	101
162	5	Buccaneers	Jeremy McNichols	RB	Boise State	143
179	5	Cardinals	T.J. Logan	RB	North Carolina	197
182	5	Packers	Aaron Jones	RB	UTEP	284
188	6	Jets	Elijah McGuire	RB	Louisiana-Lafayette	242
203	6	Broncos	De'Angelo Henderson	RB	Coastal Carolina	237
206	6	Rams	Sam Rogers	RB	Virginia Tech	240
241	7	Titans	Khalfani Muhammad	RB	California	521
242	7	Raiders	Elijah Hood	RB	North Carolina	270
249	7	Seahawks	Christopher Carson	RB	Oklahoma State	280
252	7	Browns	Matt Dayes	RB	N.C. State	189

 

[BlueShoe]

5 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

I don't see how 2017 makes your point ... the later round RBs are arguably better than the 1st round RBs.

 

I don't think the point was you cannot get pass rushers later, but that it easier to find serviceable RBs later.

 

I would rather have a good-very good Pass Rusher and average RB than vice versa. And it is much easier to achieve this by taking a Pass Rusher early and RB later.

 

If you look through the history of all the drafts then you will find good players at all positions, both early and late in the draft.

 

People like to say you can get a running back anywhere, but you won't get Barkley anywhere. You have to draft him HIGH. He is a generational running back. 

[BlueShoe]

5 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

I am thinking about it very logically I just don't have the ridiculous man crush on Barkley that several seem to have.

 

edit to add... I am not on the Chubb bandwagon either.

 

The kind of talent that Barkley has doesn't come around very often. Once people realize just how good he is, then it will start to make sense to everyone. 

 

Drafting a running back in the top 3 is a hard thing for some people to accept. However, this situation warrants it. 

[crazycolt1]

6 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

I am taking Fournette over any of those guys. And it is not even close. 

 

Hunt and Kamara had good first years, and they are good backs. However, they are nowhere near as talented as Barkley. 

 

It was a shame the Cook got hurt, because he was having a good year too. 

 

Elliot and Fournette both went very high, because they are absolute bosses on the field. That said, they can both call Saquon, daddy. Barkley is the best back I have seen since Edgerrin James. 

 

4	1	Jaguars	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU	2
8	1	Panthers	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford	10
41	2	Vikings	Dalvin Cook	RB	Florida State	24
48	2	Bengals	Joe Mixon	RB	Oklahoma	53
67	3	Saints	Alvin Kamara	RB	Tennessee	48
86	3	Chiefs	Kareem Hunt	RB	Toledo	127
89	3	Texans	D'Onta Foreman	RB	Texas	70
105	3	Steelers	James Conner	RB	Pittsburgh	111
114	4	Redskins	Samaje Perine	RB	Oklahoma	54
119	4	Bears	Tarik Cohen	RB	North Carolina A&T	221
121	4	49ers	Joe Williams	RB	Utah	210
132	4	Eagles	Donnel Pumphrey	RB	San Diego State	166
134	4	Packers	Jamaal Williams	RB	BYU	190
140	4	Giants	Wayne Gallman	RB	Clemson	134
143	4	Colts	Marlon Mack	RB	South Florida	140
156	5	Falcons	Brian Hill	RB	Wyoming	101
162	5	Buccaneers	Jeremy McNichols	RB	Boise State	143
179	5	Cardinals	T.J. Logan	RB	North Carolina	197
182	5	Packers	Aaron Jones	RB	UTEP	284
188	6	Jets	Elijah McGuire	RB	Louisiana-Lafayette	242
203	6	Broncos	De'Angelo Henderson	RB	Coastal Carolina	237
206	6	Rams	Sam Rogers	RB	Virginia Tech	240
241	7	Titans	Khalfani Muhammad	RB	California	521
242	7	Raiders	Elijah Hood	RB	North Carolina	270
249	7	Seahawks	Christopher Carson	RB	Oklahoma State	280
252	7	Browns	Matt Dayes	RB	N.C. State	189

 

What you say may or may not be true but with Luck on the field the offense will be just fine. McDaniels has used RB by committee his whole time at New England. I just don't see it changing here in Indy.

Now getting a stud pass rusher would effect the defense a lot more positive than a RB would the offense. We have had enough of powerful offenses that don't have a good enough defense to win playoffs games.

That's just my take on it. Nothing personal.

[esmort]

8 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

If you look through the history of all the drafts then you will find good players at all positions, both early and late in the draft.

 

People like to say you can get a running back anywhere, but you won't get Barkley anywhere. You have to draft him HIGH. He is a generational running back. 

 

"generational" is so over used ... and even if he was I still wouldn't take him at #3 ... wouldn't take AP at #3, wouldn't take Edge at #3, wouldn't take B Sanders at #3 ... A good RB is good enough. IF we are ever solid at all high value positions than maybe I take luxury pick. Although if we are picking in top 10 odds are we are not solid at the other positions.

[BlueShoe]

8 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

I see both points of views but I don't think calling someone illogical because they have a different view than you is the way to go. The point that was made that finding a pass rusher is more than likely found in the first round than a RB.

 

He said my opinion was ridiculous and I told him that his opinion was illogical.

 

Does it really matter?

 

Nope. 

 

In the end, Barkley is the best non-quarterback in the 2018 NFL Draft. And it's not even close. 

 

I think Darnold and Barkley are both generational players. We also have some other quarterbacks in this draft that could have Hall of Fame type careers. 

[esmort]

1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

 

He said my opinion was ridiculous and I told him that his opinion was illogical.

 

Does it really matter?

 

Nope. 

 

In the end, Barkley is the best non-quarterback in the 2018 NFL Draft. And it's not even close. 

 

I think Darnold and Barkley are both generational players. We also have some other quarterbacks in this draft that could have Hall of Fame type careers. 

 

Your opinion to label CB "childish, certifiable, etc ... (basically stupid)" over not taking Barkley IS ridiculous.

[BlueShoe]

9 minutes ago, esmort said:

 

"generational" is so over used ... and even if he was I still wouldn't take him at #3 ... wouldn't take AP at #3, wouldn't take Edge at #3, wouldn't take B Sanders at #3 ... The a good RB is good enough. IF we are ever solid at all high value positions than maybe I take luxury pick. Although if we are picking in top 10 odds are we are not solid at the other positions.

 

It (generational) is not overused by me. I don't just throw that out there. 

 

You are seriously saying that you would not take Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Edgerrin James at No. 3 overall?

 

That explains a heck of a lot. 

 

The summary of this conversation is that you have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

Thank Jesus, that you are not making decisions for this team.  

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

Your opinion to label CB "childish, certifiable, etc ... (basically stupid)" over not taking Barkley IS ridiculous.

 

My opinion is that Chris Ballard is not stupid. Another failure to understand, on your part.

 

I absolutely believe he will take Saquon Barkley (unless offered a ransom to move back).

 

I believe Chris Ballard is a very smart man, so the only way he is passing on Barkley is if we take some team to the cleaners.

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

It (generational) is not overused by me. I don't just throw that out there. 

 

You are seriously saying that you would not take Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Edgerrin James at No. 3 overall?

 

That explains a heck of a lot. 

 

The summary of this conversation is that you have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

Thank Jesus, that you are not making decisions for this tea.  

And how many rings does Sanders, Peterson or James have?

[esmort]

Just now, BlueShoe said:

 

It (generational) is not overused by me. I don't just throw that out there. 

 

You are seriously saying that you would not take Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, Edgerrin James at No. 3 overall?

 

That explains a heck of a lot. 

 

The summary of this conversation is that you have no idea what you're talking about. 

 

Thank Jesus, that you are not making decisions for this tea.  

 

Nope wouldn't take any of them at #3 under the current circumstances ... If I were drafting for a different team or the Colts were in a different situation I might consider it .. but in current NFL you are not riding your RB to a SB.

[BleedBlu8792]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

And how many rings does Sanders, Peterson or James have?

 

I'll take this one step further.. none of them even made it to a Superbowl.

[BlueShoe]

Just now, crazycolt1 said:

And how many rings does Sanders, Peterson or James have?

 

That is not their fault. 

 

They rewrote the history books, and did all they could do. A team still has to surround any player with a supporting cast. 

[BlueShoe]

1 minute ago, esmort said:

 

Nope wouldn't take any of them at #3 under the current circumstances ... If I were drafting for a different team or the Colts were in a different situation I might consider it .. but in current NFL you are not riding your RB to a SB.

 

You are not riding ANY player form ANY position to the Super Bowl.

 

So why would you pass up on hall of famers?

 

That's crazy. That is the "certifiable" thing I was talking about. 

[crazycolt1]

2 minutes ago, BlueShoe said:

 

That is not their fault. 

 

They rewrote the history books, and did all they could do. A team still has to surround any player with a supporting cast. 

Exactly.

 

[esmort]

1 minute ago, BlueShoe said:

 

My opinion is that Chris Ballard is not stupid. Another failure to understand, on your part.

 

I absolutely believe he will take Saquon Barkley (unless offered a ransom to move back).

 

I believe Chris Ballard is a very smart man, so the only way he is passing on Barkley is if we take some team to the cleaners.

 

I understand perfectly ... but you clearly said IF we don't trade back, and he does not take Barkley (which is a very realistic scenario) ... than he is "childish" or "certifiable" which is the same as saying stupid.  So CB is only "not stupid" in 2 possible choices out of probably 5 or 6  legitimate options.

[BlueShoe]

18 minutes ago, crazycolt1 said:

What you say may or may not be true but with Luck on the field the offense will be just fine. McDaniels has used RB by committee his whole time at New England. I just don't see it changing here in Indy.

Now getting a stud pass rusher would effect the defense a lot more positive than a RB would the offense. We have had enough of powerful offenses that don't have a good enough defense to win playoffs games.

That's just my take on it. Nothing personal.

 

Do a little research on this guy.

 

Tom Braatz

 

LOL

 

Passing on players like Barkley (Sanders) can end careers.